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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 09:01:47
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Thank you Indodraakje - that wasn't that obvious to me. I've updated the sheet with my entry details now.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 09:31:15
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alandoy
Well what do you know! I was beginning to give up hope.
After nearly 6 months waiting, I got (and ordered) my 3090 FTW3 Ultra this morning. For those of you wondering, it was €1,870.64 inclusive of VAT in Ireland. Looks like they honored the pre-pricehike too. Sweet!
Purchasing experience was OK. They prepopulate the shipping address fields from your account info in EVGA, so do ensure that what you have in there is correct as you can't edit it in the purchasing form (you have to go back, edit your account, and then restart the purchase). It was fine, but a little cumbersome and naturally you don't want the card going to the wrong address!
I suspect there was a huge drop of FTW3 3090's ultras this morning, as while I was next in the spreadsheet.....I was a full 1.5 days after the last confirmed report, though with the small numbers of people in the spreadsheet, it could (for all we know) previously stopped 1 minute before me, and not 1.5 days. I'm hoping that this drop of 3090's goes a long way to address the 3090 FTW Ultra imbalance that I wrote about previously. (Sure I got my card, but I'd like to see others also treated fairly too!)
Congratulations on your 3090 and thank you for reporting back.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 11:02:47
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alandoy
I'm in under "Bullit_Dodger" for the 3090 ultra. I went looking to see how I can update it, but it was non-editable for me. Perhaps Bovine has locked it?
Congrats on your GPU, may i ask what was your Notify Date ?
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 11:37:36
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Strangely, I can't see it in the mynotify.asp page on evga.com anymore? I guess they disable it when you order. However, I know it was Sept 26th at 6:01am (PST)
Unfortunately there is a big gap in the spreadsheet until the next person (October 5th), so it might be some time before we detect additional movement. Not because no cards are shipping, but rather that we simply don't have anyone in the list to detect when they do ship. :-(
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 12:53:26
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alandoy
I'm 100% agreeing with you "OutOfStock4ever". It should be first come, first served - end of story! :-)
But a few people are saying that "ohh we're only getting 1.72% of the allocation" and I'm trying to explain to them why that allocation might actually be correct, because they are making sure that we adhere to the "first come first served". With different queue sizes between NA and EU they won't divide down the middle the cards evenly. If they did that would (probably) be unfair unless it just so happened to have exactly the same sizes across both. it's hard to explain and visualize the math. I obviously didn't do a good job there.
All that said, there are some deviations and the 3090 as I noted is the most obvious example. People have signed up for that in NA mid October and have gotten cards, while us in Europe (myself included) are on Sept 25th. Other skus though seem to be more aligned across regions - so I can't say that it's ALL skus that are unbalanced.
If you are thinking that the number of people in WHOLE europe who joined in queue is equal with 1,72% of US people who joined, then you are right. Yes for sure the europeans were fewer than people from US. BUT we are talking about 1,72%. Not 30%, not 20%, not 17,2%. 1,72%!!!Sorry but you are delusional if you are thinking something like that and if you don't, you are just wrong.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 13:08:08
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alandoy
Unfortunately there is a big gap in the spreadsheet until the next person (October 5th), so it might be some time before we detect additional movement. Not because no cards are shipping, but rather that we simply don't have anyone in the list to detect when they do ship. :-(
Tha gap is not as huge as it seems to be. EVGA had a VAT-bug on their EU website. Once they realized, they disabled the "notify me" button for quite some time. I do not remember excatly the time span, but I think it were a couple of days. (However, when looking at the 3080 FTW Ultra, there are entries for all the time. I assume that these entries stem from EU people, who entered on the NA site which were transfered by EVGA once they seperated the EU queue...) But still, you are right, it becomes very difficult to monitor the movement now with so few entries... And finally: have fun with your card :)
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 13:46:50
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Alexmpl46, I hear you. In fact if you read back through the thread some 4-5 weeks ago, I was thinking along the same thing as you. There's actually *more* people in Europe than NA, so you would expect more in the spreadsheet. North America has about 350-380 million in USA and Canada, and Europe, depending on what countries you count, maybe 450m! The reality is though that we are pretty confident that not as many Europeans have signed up to the spreadsheets as our counterparts in NA. I'm sure a lot of that is down to the fact that English isn't as pervasive in Europe as NA. Sure, the fact that everyone reading this can speak English is great, but I'm sure that many (many!) others out there in Europe don't even know this thread exists. If I spoke only German, why would I go into a thread in English on a forum I can't read ?! Same with Italian, Spanish, french, etc. Ok, sure many Europeans are bilingual, but you get my point I'm sure? Then there are the issues that Stormdan mentions about when the actual "auto-notify" button became live in Europe, and of course the other stupid issue/mistake where the cards destined for the queue were sold straight on the website. To be fair, we can't crucify people for making an honest mistake - if that's what it was, as long as they learn from it. But all that said, the actual % allocation is actually irrelevant. You can't work out a realistic number anyway with the data we have as we're simply short some needed variables. What really matters though is how do the EU queues for each sku compare against their NA counterparts. That gives you the only reasonable comparison which we can see as to how the EU queue is behaving, and from a post I did last week.....(so last weeks data) Name Sku Latest NA notification (DMY) Latest EU notification (DMY) Difference (Days)3090 FTW3 Ultra 3987 12/10/2020 18:51 25/09/2020 03:03 17.663080 XC3 Ultra 3885 18/09/2020 08:26 17/09/2020 08:35 0.99 3080 FTW3 Ultra 3897 19/09/2020 23:57 17/09/2020 07:43 2.68 3070 XC3 Black 3751 29/10/2020 06:16 29/10/2020 18:13 -0.50 3070 XC3 Ultra 3755 06/11/2020 14:20 29/10/2020 06:44 8.323070 FTW3 Ultra 3767 30/10/2020 08:14 29/10/2020 06:23 1.08 3060 Ti XC Gaming 3663 01/12/2020 07:22 06/12/2020 12:55 -5.233060 TI FTW 3667 01/12/2020 07:14 05/12/2020 23:32 -4.683060 XC Gaming 3657 25/02/2021 09:07 25/02/2021 09:00 0.01 We don't do too bad here, pretty much to a muchness (mostly). Some people in Europe have actually gotten cards *before* the NA counterparts!! So if it's 1.72% or not......it's irrelevant. The queues should (roughly) match each other. That said, as mentioned previously the 3987 sku (and to a lesser extent the 3755 skus) has been consistently behind the NA one. I'm hoping that they will balance those as it doesn't seem fair to me, but I'm only one voice.
post edited by alandoy - 2021/03/09 14:05:55
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 13:56:37
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Good Evening, here is the daily status for the EU queues.
Today we have double duty with the 3090 and 3060 pushing foward the Great March by 1, 1 day for the 3090 and... 1 second for the 3060.
Name SKU Latest Emailed Date
3090 FTW3 Ultra 3987 9/26/2020 6:51:00 AM PT
3080 XC3 Ultra 3885 9/17/2020 8:35:00 AM PT
3080 FTW3 Ultra 3897 9/17/2020 7:43:29 AM PT
3070 XC3 Black 3751 10/29/2020 6:15:19 AM PT
3070 XC3 Ultra 3755 10/29/2020 6:44 AM PT
3070 FTW3 Ultra 3767 10/29/2020 6:23:43 AM PT
3060 Ti XC Gaming 3663 12/6/2020 12:55:48 AM PT
3060 TI FTW 3667 12/05/2020 11:32:26 PM PT
3060 XC Gaming 3657 2/25/2021 09:00:41 AM PT
As usual, I will be back tomorrow if more timestamps show up. Best of luck for the watchers.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 14:41:41
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So...is there an actual queue for EU right now? I can't find anything on the page, let alone how to "join a queue". Buying from retailers is akin to voluntarily getting ripped off, so i'd rather avoid that.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 15:59:39
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So...is there an actual queue for EU right now? I can't find anything on the page, let alone how to "join a queue". Buying from retailers is akin to voluntarily getting ripped off, so i'd rather avoid that.
just go to store, find the card you want and click the notify button, fill in your data. what do you mean you cant find anything?
EU- 12G-P5-3657-KR 2/25/2021 9:01:27 AM PT EU - 08G-P5-3751-KR 2/22/2021 12:11:04 PM PT EU - 08G-P5-3663-KR 1/25/2021 8:05:36 AM PT
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/09 23:11:26
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Hey. I want to get a 3090. I kinda gave up on the idea, but somehow randomly rechecked the forum today. It seems that there is still movement for this GPU's comparing to the 3080.
I still think I am miles appart, but can anyone, who has been following the que can give me a rough estimate for a 3090 FTW3 Ultra, which I signed up on 16 October 2020?
Or in which rate they are moving? 1 day spreadsheet per ? real life days.
Thanks!
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/10 05:12:49
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Previous to yesterday Sapca11, no movement was detected on the 3090 queue for a few weeks. It then jumped a day forward in the spreadsheet. That sounds great, but we must caveat that because that was the delta between the last entry in the spreadsheet and my own personal entry. We have no way in knowing where it stopped previously. Was it 1 day before my entry or 10 minutes? Can't tell. It could well have been that cards were dropping in the 3090 space in that few weeks since, but due to us having no one in the spreadsheet, we couldn't detect any movement. If you follow me? Similarly, we have no way in knowing where it jumped to *beyond* my date of Sept 26th. Did they fulfill orders up until Sept 28th, 29th etc......we've no way in know that either as the next entry in the spreadsheet is Oct 5th. It's been mentioned a few times that it's virtually impossible to estimate a delivery time. There are so many unknown variables. - The number of people who signed up on the queue at the start per day is probably different from 2-3 weeks down the line. It'll take more cards to move off "day zero" than it would off day 10, etc. - EVGA have said nvidia have increased production (in jan) and who knows when that will start to filter down into cards produced. - etc I don't say this to depress you, but looking at all the retailers out there (amazon etc) myself over the last few months, it's a *wasteland* out there! The queue maybe your best chance in getting a card in the short/medium term. I had a look earlier on scan.co.uk and there wasn't one single card from any manufacturer across the entire 3060/3070/3080/3090 range. Not one single card. From _any_ manufacturer. Been like that for weeks too. Saw a few Palit cards in early Jan, but that was the last time I saw any. Course I could have simply missed seeing the cards "in stock" in the 4 nanoseconds before people bought them, but that's the story I've seen.
post edited by alandoy - 2021/03/10 05:24:44
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/10 07:16:18
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Cmon evga... move on with the FTW3 3080...
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/10 07:44:59
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I just hope they start shipping GTX 3060's and GTX 3060's TI's
Components are 20% more expensive in the EU so people usually buy cheaper GPU's.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/11 10:30:00
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Where is the hydro evga................. don't you want my money ? its never been avaible in the EU while it was avaible in the US what is this discrimination.............
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 03:51:52
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Sorry if this has been answered in a previous post but does anyone have any idea what's going on with the 3080 XC3 GAMING? Is it just completely forgotten about? No notify and I signed up 9/17/2020 2:01:03 AM PT Literally the first person in the queue for this card if the spreadsheet is correct lol. Looks like I really picked the wrong bloody card.
post edited by maxwood - 2021/03/12 03:55:23
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 04:08:07
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Not sure anyone can definitively answer for you, but it looks like it's one of the forgotten skus. No movement detected in Bovine's excellent spreadsheet which you probably saw as your in there, but also over on the NA queue it's currently reporting. 3080 XC3 Gaming 3883 09/16/2020 11:01:20 So basically no real movement there since it was launched either - meaning that it's not a EU specific issue. I guess for some reason they have decided to prioritize other skus.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 04:12:39
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alandoy
Not sure anyone can definitively answer for you, but it looks like it's one of the forgotten skus. No movement detected in Bovine's excellent spreadsheet which you probably saw as your in there, but also over on the NA queue it's currently reporting.
3883 09/16/2020 11:01:20
So basically no real movement there since it was launched either - meaning that it's not a EU specific issue. I guess for some reason they have decided to prioritize other skus.
Thanks for the reply. This is ****ing exhausting, penalised for not being greedy enough to sign up for every card notification. I give up with EVGA.
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alandoy
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 04:25:49
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Yeah, that sucks max. I know it's late in the day and you might be inclined to throw in the towel, but I'd keep your options open and sign up to a few alternative skus now. No real harm if you "pass" on them down the line and it keeps your options open?
The problem with giving up on EVGA is that ... where'd you go? A few days ago I looked across a good few retailers out there, Amazon, Scan.co.uk , etc and I couldn't find *any* card from *any* manufacturer. It's bonkers! Your essentially forced into buying from a scalper (which I strongly discourage as it propagates an industry I don't want to see thrive) or buying a second hard card. The prices of 2nd hand cards have risen as a result. I bough a 980Ti for £205 (stg) there on eBay in late December as I was stuck for "some" card for a rig. That was released in June 2015, so £200+ for a 6 year old card! The 1080Ti's were rocking £400+ at the time!
As much as it's a pain, the queues are pretty much the best option out there until general stock improves.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 04:32:41
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You're right, I've signed up to be notified for other cards now although I expect it will be a very long time before I get notified.
Frustratingly I'm actually in the queue for a card at Scan but it's the ASUS TUF card (seemingly no longer being manufactured either), they've started offering alternate cards to people but I'm near the back of the queue. My concern is I'll be offered a crap tier card when they do eventually get round to me, which is probably absolutely fine in reality but having waited so long I'd rather just get a decent card and be done with this mess.
Bad luck for me I think unfortunately :) cheers.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 06:00:50
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alandoy
Yeah, that sucks max. I know it's late in the day and you might be inclined to throw in the towel, but I'd keep your options open and sign up to a few alternative skus now. No real harm if you "pass" on them down the line and it keeps your options open?
The problem with giving up on EVGA is that ... where'd you go? A few days ago I looked across a good few retailers out there, Amazon, Scan.co.uk , etc and I couldn't find *any* card from *any* manufacturer. It's bonkers! Your essentially forced into buying from a scalper (which I strongly discourage as it propagates an industry I don't want to see thrive) or buying a second hard card. The prices of 2nd hand cards have risen as a result. I bough a 980Ti for £205 (stg) there on eBay in late December as I was stuck for "some" card for a rig. That was released in June 2015, so £200+ for a 6 year old card! The 1080Ti's were rocking £400+ at the time!
As much as it's a pain, the queues are pretty much the best option out there until general stock improves.
Got to admit, I don't know how I feel about buying something from a company that thinks we're low priority based on where we were born.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 06:12:24
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It's a good point Armathyx. I certainly don't want to be seen as defending their case, but the thing is that we don't know the reasons behind the scenes for them to come up with that decision. We want them to make money (as odd as that sounds) as if they aren't making money as a company then they aren't around to offer us cards for the 4x series, 5x series etc. and then we suffer for lack of high quality products. So maybe there simply wasn't enough interest in Europe to make it worth their while. They probably required a couple of 100/1000 units before they break even on launching a sku. I do remember that in the early days of the 3xxx series on eu.evga.com I thought I saw hydro offering(s), so I think they were pulled rather than they didn't exist ever in Europe. Seems odd though that there might not be enough customers....
I feel the same about the imbalance in some skus queues between NA and EU. Sure it's ok for either queue to be a few days +/- compared to the other domain. Lots of good reasons why that might be the case, shipping, etc. But not when it's a fairly substantial deviation. Like you, I would just like to see people everywhere treated fairly
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 11:24:42
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One question to all in the 3070 XC 3 Ultra queue: BovineGamer stated yesterday that the queue arrived at:
3070 XC3 Ultra 3755 10/29/2020 6:44 AM PT
My time stamp is
10/29/2020 6:29:40 AM PTNo
but I did not receive a notification until now. Bovine reassured to me, that the entry is correct. I am now wondering, whether there are other people on this queue, who also did not receive their notification but have a time stamp before 6:44 pm ....
This would help to identify, if we have a problem with our data availbale or if EVGA made a mistake...
Same here I am at 10/29/2020 6:38:53 AM PT (No) for 3755 so no idea how this 6:44 is genuine one
1212+BovineGamer please could you shed some light on this
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 15:18:16
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I assume you checked your "spam"/"Junk email" folder incase the email was dropped in there?
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 16:03:18
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I assume you checked your "spam"/"Junk email" folder incase the email was dropped in there?
Of course I checked my "my notification". If you look at the quoted part, you can see that I copied the data from my EVGA account. I did not receive an email for the 3755 and also EVGA says "no". So, I assume that the 6:44 is false (for whatever reason).
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/12 17:55:14
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Of course I checked my "my notification". If you look at the quoted part, you can see that I copied the data from my EVGA account. I did not receive an email for the 3755 and also EVGA says "no". So, I assume that the 6:44 is false (for whatever reason).
Okay, although just to clarify but I wasn't taking about your EVGA account. I was talking about the "junk folder" inside your email account. Perhaps gmail, Outlook, etc or whatever you use for your email thought the message was "spam" and placed it into the Junk email folder instead of your Inbox? And you did actually get sent the email, but unfortunately you missed it as it was moved away from your inbox. Of course this may not have happened, I'm just suggesting one possible explanation which may have happened to you and help you going forward. Other than that, I would think that the spreadsheet maybe incorrect - but I'll leave that to Bovine to comment on.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/13 09:56:27
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As I explained earlier, the 6:44 is backed by a screenshot and it's not the first time I see this sort of movement with seconds going fowards and then backwards. The 3060 queue is experiencing a similar situation right now with 3 people reporting a 9:01 movement when a person with a 9:00:44 continues to report no email yet and a "no" status, im in daily contact with this person and consider the report trustworthy.
The one good thing about my reports is that I do not control the emails, that means small errors like these do not stop the emails from being sent and no reports have came up so far about people being skipped.
So the only thing I can do at this point is wait for someone that has an earlier stamp to receive his email OR someone further on get's an email that would confirm the first ever skip, something that I repeat HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Be patient and if you have issues please take those issues yourselves to EVGA, im just a watcher like all of you and have no links to EVGA of any kind.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/13 23:44:28
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Entries with same timestamp (9:01:00) are shown on the spreadsheet in order they were submitted, so those 3 entries are the latest. I checked and none of the 3 usernames exist on EVGA.com so it does look like someone is trolling.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/14 08:18:57
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Could be, but bear in mind that what you enter into the spreadsheet doesn't have to match the username on EVGA. My own entry is down as "Bullit_Dodger", yet my EVGA account is "alandoy".
So it could be legit.
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Re: What's going on with EU and 3080's?
2021/03/15 08:30:04
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alandoy
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Of course I checked my "my notification". If you look at the quoted part, you can see that I copied the data from my EVGA account. I did not receive an email for the 3755 and also EVGA says "no". So, I assume that the 6:44 is false (for whatever reason).
Okay, although just to clarify but I wasn't taking about your EVGA account.
I was talking about the "junk folder" inside your email account. Perhaps gmail, Outlook, etc or whatever you use for your email thought the message was "spam" and placed it into the Junk email folder instead of your Inbox? And you did actually get sent the email, but unfortunately you missed it as it was moved away from your inbox. Of course this may not have happened, I'm just suggesting one possible explanation which may have happened to you and help you going forward.
Other than that, I would think that the spreadsheet maybe incorrect - but I'll leave that to Bovine to comment on.
Of course I double-check my spam-folder regularly. Your question assumes that EVGA did sent emails, which "landed" in spam-folder, and forgot to update the notification page. Not only for me, but also the other guy who reported that he has a time stamp before the 6:44 without having an email. On the other hand, we did not get a feedback, where this data came from. It's a pitty, Bovine does not respond on this issue.
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