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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 10:22:44 (permalink)
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Look into Schiit audio. Everything for every price point to push 600 ohm cans.

The Modi / Magni combo is the entry level for schiit:
https://www.schiit.com/products/modi-1
https://www.schiit.com/products/magni-1
 




def seen him rec these before, i'm not a high end audio/headphones guy so never clicked through. i have enough expensive hobbies lol
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 10:23:05 (permalink)
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lol.. I assume they have a good reputation, but I can't help laughing a little about buying high end audio from a company named 'schiit audio'.

Oh they lean into it.  Feels like the company was named during a late night of drinking, and someone said "duuuude, you should totally name it that, that would be hilarious"

Lol, well it's not a name anyone's going to forget in a hurry, so there's that.


 


Not to mention everything is named after something or someone Norse mythology.
They also try to source everything from America if it's possible.

Yes, I always throw it out there when someone is looking for a dac/amp. Mine has been serving me well for a long time, over 7 years.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 10:26:34 (permalink)
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lol.. I assume they have a good reputation, but I can't help laughing a little about buying high end audio from a company named 'schiit audio'.

Oh they lean into it.  Feels like the company was named during a late night of drinking, and someone said "duuuude, you should totally name it that, that would be hilarious"

Lol, well it's not a name anyone's going to forget in a hurry, so there's that.

Not to mention everything is named after something or someone Norse mythology.
They also try to source everything from America if it's possible.

Yes, I always throw it out there when someone is looking for a dac/amp. Mine has been serving me well for a long time, over 7 years.

I noticed the Norse naming theme - I find that appealing. Props for trying to source from local (US) markets wherever possible too. Some good marketing there, even if a little outside the box.
 


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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 12:26:08 (permalink)
Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
 
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 12:29:23 (permalink)
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Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
 
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also



Fulla is a good all in one solution, modi/magni gives you some flexibility if you want to add in different components.  Dragonfly is just a USB stick (right?), works good for a laptop, but for a desktop I prefer something a little heftier. 
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 12:37:43 (permalink)
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Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also


Fulla is a good all in one solution, modi/magni gives you some flexibility if you want to add in different components.  Dragonfly is just a USB stick (right?), works good for a laptop, but for a desktop I prefer something a little heftier. 

Fulla Schiit ...this is awesome.   
 
I'm actually tempted to get one just so I can point it out and say "fulla schiit, right there."
 
..and it runs off a USB-C connection? (or optical I see). How does it compare to onboard sound on Z690 Dark KP (Realtek 7.1 Channel HD Audio + EVGA NU Audio)? I'm not an audiophile btw..
 
 
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 13:05:11 (permalink)
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Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
 
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also



Fulla is a good all in one solution, modi/magni gives you some flexibility if you want to add in different components.  Dragonfly is just a USB stick (right?), works good for a laptop, but for a desktop I prefer something a little heftier. 




what's the budget range v the HT Omega? i asked him for USB DAC recs in that range and have no idea what things run but he works for a big high end audio retailer and i trust him 
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/13 13:52:16 (permalink)
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Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
 
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also



Fulla is a good all in one solution, modi/magni gives you some flexibility if you want to add in different components.  Dragonfly is just a USB stick (right?), works good for a laptop, but for a desktop I prefer something a little heftier. 




what's the budget range v the HT Omega? i asked him for USB DAC recs in that range and have no idea what things run but he works for a big high end audio retailer and i trust him 


Cost-wise?  Or performance-wise?  Cost has hard numbers, performance not so-much (subjective to some degree)  And also depends if you want 7.1, the DACs above are only two channel.
 
As to not highjack the thread (which audio discussions can completely), I'd suggest making a new thread in the hardware forum to keep the discussion rolling and on-topic.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/15 05:47:47 (permalink)
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Funny enough, here were his 2 suggestions:
 
Schiit Fulla is a good alternative (to the HT Omega eClaro 7.1 pcie). the AudioQuest Dragonfly series also



Fulla is a good all in one solution, modi/magni gives you some flexibility if you want to add in different components.  Dragonfly is just a USB stick (right?), works good for a laptop, but for a desktop I prefer something a little heftier. 




what's the budget range v the HT Omega? i asked him for USB DAC recs in that range and have no idea what things run but he works for a big high end audio retailer and i trust him 


Cost-wise?  Or performance-wise?  Cost has hard numbers, performance not so-much (subjective to some degree)  And also depends if you want 7.1, the DACs above are only two channel.
 
As to not highjack the thread (which audio discussions can completely), I'd suggest making a new thread in the hardware forum to keep the discussion rolling and on-topic.


is this for portable or for home theater/PC desktop?  it sounds like HTPC. personally, I'd go the other way if HTPC / desktop.  in terms of total performance, its almost impossible to beat getting a used midrange Yamaha or Denon receiver off of ebay etc for $200-300ish.  could go new too but you have to pay to play and not sure on the budget.  I still have an Aventage a1040 on my rec room TV which is on a passthrough HDMI over a 3080 TI without a separate amp on Klipsch speakers.  the receiver is probably like 8 years old now?  I piled in probably 20 hours demoing new receivers in the $1000-4000 USD range last spring 2021.  In the end I kept the old yamaha and bought new front floor standing klipsch speakers from adorama (RP-8000F, simply incredible performance for the money imo, watch slickdeals for Klipsch sales, they happen weekly it seems).  I guess it also depends on how much space you're committing to the HTPC audio build.  big floor speakers are just that... big.
 
anyway....... I'm now going to try to stop my self from typing a wall of ramblings on home theater value, lol.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/15 06:26:29 (permalink)
I got a Klipsch cinema 800 last summer and registered it, they send me 3- 4 sales adds a week now. Ha.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/06/15 14:17:12 (permalink)
I had a magni 2 and it was complete garbage and had a high pass built into it, I sold it for like 20 dollars to a friend.  I would hope they fixed that for magni 3 but I was shocked and disappointed since everyone said they were really great.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 09:18:07 (permalink)
Just an update on my Optimus Kingpin block experience.  I had an issue with my CPU temps being abnormally high the first time after I did a longer 3D render(using the GPUs).  My loop order is two radiators, then the res, then the D5 pump, then another radiator, the GPUs then the CPU then back to the two radiators.
 
After some troubleshooting, I disconnected the quick disconnect fittings and removed my Optimus CPU block, then took it apart.  I found a bunch of small black particles in the micro fins.  I thought it was unusual since I didn't have that issue before.  A week later, I did another 3D render and afterwards my CPU temps were abnormally high.  I decided to check the CPU block again and there were a bunch of small black particles in the micro fins.  I was really confused because I never had this issue before and I'm using clear coolant.  The only change to the system since the last time I did a 3D render was adding the kingpins with the Optimus blocks and black cerakote finish.
 
To troubleshoot, I drained my loop and filled it with distilled water, ran it, drained it again, filled it again with distilled water.  I took a pair of 560mm rads for another system I'm in the process of building and a separate D5 pump/res then hooked them up to the 3090 Kingpins.  I had my CPU on the loop in my case and separate from the 3090 KPs .  When I did a 3D render that lasted a few hours, I didn't have any issues with high CPU temperatures afterwards.  Then I hooked the 3090 Kingpins back up to the loop in my case and ran the same 3D render.  My CPU temperatures were high again and when I took out the CPU block, there were small black particles in the micro fins.
 
My GPU temps hit 38-40C during long 3D renders and my coolant temps are in the low to mid 30s with just using the three 360mm radiators in my case.  It seems that maybe the cerakote finish is coming off one or both of my GPUs and getting stuck in the CPU block when I run the GPUs at 100% load for several hours at a time.  When I don't have the Kingpins with the Optimus KP 3090 blocks in the same loop as my CPU I don't have issues with those little black particles getting stuck in my CPU block micro fins after a long 3D render.  I'm a bit confused through because the micro fins for the Optimus GPU blocks are rather small also.  Yet they look clean and my GPU temps are fine.  Maybe the micro fins on the CPU block are a little smaller than on the GPU block?
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 09:25:21 (permalink)
How does the back cerakote finish look like? Does it show signs of flaking, erosion? Optimus did mention that this was an issue with the white and nickel cerakote finish.

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 09:53:30 (permalink)
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How does the back cerakote finish look like? Does it show signs of flaking, erosion? Optimus did mention that this was an issue with the white and nickel cerakote finish.



I don't see any places where the finish flaked off to the point of bare metal showing through.  The finish looks smooth overall.  However, the particles are so small that maybe its a surface layer flaking off.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 10:05:53 (permalink)
What kind of tubing are you using?

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 10:48:14 (permalink)
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What kind of tubing are you using?



EK ZMT which is EPDM.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 10:52:50 (permalink)
I've seen that with ZMT that I have used. Was it new ZMT? What I have found is it seems like there is residual rubber from the manufacturer that comes off when you first use it.

But should go away after a while. I had to rinse out my loop a couple of times before it went away.

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/02 11:41:37 (permalink)
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I've seen that with ZMT that I have used. Was it new ZMT? What I have found is it seems like there is residual rubber from the manufacturer that comes off when you first use it.

But should go away after a while. I had to rinse out my loop a couple of times before it went away.



It was not new ZMT, but was ZMT that was in use for at least several months before that happened.  The odd thing is, if it was the ZMT, then it would be only one of the two short pieces between the GPU block and the CPU block that are connected with a quick disconnect fitting.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/03 16:21:25 (permalink)
I'd check the Optimus block again for any signs of wear when possible. I have a full nickel Velocity 2 block on my cpu so I can see my fins on that but when I was working on my gpu block I noticed the cerakote finish would come off in small flakes.  Run through the system and it more than likely would break up into very small particles.  I have my GPU mounted horizontal so I can't see how the finish is holding up on mines, but this is one of the other reason why I would prefer their original nickel plating process over the cerakote they are currently using.  Some areas around the gaskets when I was changing them out seemed to flake off as well.  It was a very thin flake, but the block wasn't even used yet and some very small areas had come off already.  
 
It might be easier to change out the zmt tubing off the gpus and then run it again and see if the particles return.  If so, then you pretty much know for sure it's the block.  

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/03 16:52:46 (permalink)
Or if you have a pump and enough tubing around, just hook the GPU in a small loop (no rad) with some clear tubing and check the fins.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/16 09:29:35 (permalink)
I ran the Kingpins with the Optimus blocks in their own loop for a little while and now the first GPU block in loop order has small black particles stuck in its fins.  I think its the coating on one of the blocks.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/16 10:05:51 (permalink)
Well that sucks. Have you reached out to Optimus to see what they say?

Optimus has a great design (in concept), but they've dropped the ball on the excution at so many steps. I would hope they learn from all these missteps and improve, but I'm not hopeful.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/16 10:19:24 (permalink)
Yeah, that sucks. Optimus really did a terrible job on this one. So many issues. I asked for a refund for mine and never looked back.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/16 11:09:41 (permalink)
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Well that sucks. Have you reached out to Optimus to see what they say?

Optimus has a great design (in concept), but they've dropped the ball on the excution at so many steps. I would hope they learn from all these missteps and improve, but I'm not hopeful.



I sent them a message through their website contact form explaining my issues and hopefully I get a response.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/16 11:34:44 (permalink)
Bavor,
Sorry to hear your block is possibly loosing it finish.  Jsunn's block also had something similar going on with it as well.  To me, this cerakote finish idea although great on paper might be more of a larger issue for Optimus.  I can't imagine if this small sample size is having these type of issues what else could be going wrong for the rest of the blocks.  I know I've seen somewhere a couple of others who thought their block was rusting but it was the copper showing through I believe.  I think in the near future unless Optimus goes back to their electro-platting nickel process I'm going to skip these Kingpins and possibly go for either the strix for FTW3 ultras moving forward.  So many issues with the build using the Kingpin as the basis for such a small increase in performance for me (I lost on the silicon lottery).  
 
Not sure what else Optimus can do using their current process.  But I do hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.  I'm crossing my fingers for my build.  I'll know more when the time comes for a flush.  

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/20 06:21:09 (permalink)
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Bavor,
Sorry to hear your block is possibly loosing it finish.  Jsunn's block also had something similar going on with it as well.  To me, this cerakote finish idea although great on paper might be more of a larger issue for Optimus.  I can't imagine if this small sample size is having these type of issues what else could be going wrong for the rest of the blocks.  I know I've seen somewhere a couple of others who thought their block was rusting but it was the copper showing through I believe.  I think in the near future unless Optimus goes back to their electro-platting nickel process I'm going to skip these Kingpins and possibly go for either the strix for FTW3 ultras moving forward.  So many issues with the build using the Kingpin as the basis for such a small increase in performance for me (I lost on the silicon lottery).  
 
Not sure what else Optimus can do using their current process.  But I do hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.  I'm crossing my fingers for my build.  I'll know more when the time comes for a flush.  


The Sig V2 lock also flakes. Had it happen to me twice. I’m officially done with Optimus and likely will never buy another product from them ever again.
They have gone completely silent for the last 5 months, I’m starting to think they are on their last legs before daddy pulls the plug

 
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/20 06:30:31 (permalink)
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Bavor,
Sorry to hear your block is possibly loosing it finish.  Jsunn's block also had something similar going on with it as well.  To me, this cerakote finish idea although great on paper might be more of a larger issue for Optimus.  I can't imagine if this small sample size is having these type of issues what else could be going wrong for the rest of the blocks.  I know I've seen somewhere a couple of others who thought their block was rusting but it was the copper showing through I believe.  I think in the near future unless Optimus goes back to their electro-platting nickel process I'm going to skip these Kingpins and possibly go for either the strix for FTW3 ultras moving forward.  So many issues with the build using the Kingpin as the basis for such a small increase in performance for me (I lost on the silicon lottery).  
 
Not sure what else Optimus can do using their current process.  But I do hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.  I'm crossing my fingers for my build.  I'll know more when the time comes for a flush.  


The Sig V2 lock also flakes. Had it happen to me twice. I’m officially done with Optimus and likely will never buy another product from them ever again.
They have gone completely silent for the last 5 months, I’m starting to think they are on their last legs before daddy pulls the plug



^this.  never again.  


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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/23 16:54:19 (permalink)
I heard back from Optimus.  They claim that they have never heard of the cerakote coming off the card.  Yet I can find several people who had the same issue here and elsewhere. 
 
Optimus has limited replacement parts for the KP3090 block since its discontinued, but they can refinish the parts or strip them to bare copper if I send them back.  I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/23 17:17:43 (permalink)
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I heard back from Optimus.  They claim that they have never heard of the cerakote coming off the card.  Yet I can find several people who had the same issue here and elsewhere. 
 
Optimus has limited replacement parts for the KP3090 block since its discontinued, but they can refinish the parts or strip them to bare copper if I send them back.  I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point.


I'd be concerned if they strip them to bare copper, all the gaskets wouldn't fit with the same tolerances.  Unless they just remove the finish in the areas where there is water flow (seems like that'd be difficult.)  Tough decisions.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/07/23 21:05:30 (permalink)
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I heard back from Optimus.  They claim that they have never heard of the cerakote coming off the card.  Yet I can find several people who had the same issue here and elsewhere. 
 
Optimus has limited replacement parts for the KP3090 block since its discontinued, but they can refinish the parts or strip them to bare copper if I send them back.  I'm not sure what I'm going to do at this point.

That’s not right. Their website says that their products have a ten year warranty. They should have a good number of replacement parts. Like some folks here, I am done with Optimus. I only bought two products from them, CPU block, and the KPE block. I never got the chance to put into service the KPE block. The block that I receive had numerous issues. Worst experience.

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