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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/28 23:35:25 (permalink)
    I just ordered mines tonight as soon as I saw the post here about it being available to order.  I don't know how many people got in before me, but atleast they took my order and money so that could be a good sign.  It does look wild, but the back plate waterblock is crazy.  It looks like it would cool better than some of the other front side water blocks.  I'm just trying to figure out from the photos how we are going to utilize the ports now there is a front and rear water cooling channels.  It might force me to make a change to my loop order.  But the clock is not ticking for it's arrival.  

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/28 23:42:00 (permalink)
    We knew it was going to be expensive. I figure at least two months (if not longer) before it arrives, which means I'll continue on with my custom block work while I'm waiting:

     
     

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 00:42:40 (permalink)
    The price came back to what Optimus shared it would be.  Considering the active cooling on the back plate, it is well worth it all considering.  The way it looks like thy designed the backplate, it really is like getting two water blocks instead of one.  Atleast we know its coming and about when, I feel better about my Kingpin knowing what is now coming.  Anything could have happened on Optimus' side to cancel or delay further the release.  Now it's like counting the days when we were waiting on the Kingpins knowing we were getting close.  

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 04:43:21 (permalink)
    That thing looks absolutely incredible, what a beast. Kudos to Optimus.... wow.


     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 04:59:03 (permalink)
    Wow! Nice! I wonder how heavy it is. Look forward to temp reports once people start getting them.

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 05:01:24 (permalink)
    Got my order in as well just now.
     
    My only concern is that the active backplate looks to be thicker than the passive OEM one I have now.  The OEM one just barely clears the RAM sockets on my Asus Rog X770 Crosshair VIII Formula.  That said, from the pictures I see, the acrylic on the back does fortunately not extend all the way down to the PCIe connector, so hopefully it will clear.
     
    I started out with the 3998 Hybrid KP, then I got the 1999 HC Kit and now the Optimus.  This sure is adding up to one expensive GPU!
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 05:13:22 (permalink)
     
    Wow that's HUGE. Amazing. Gotta be at least 5lb with the rear block - I'd suggest vertical mounting. Unfortunately it's unlikely I'll ever get my hands on a 3090 KingPin, but it's nice to dream. :)
     
     

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 05:16:50 (permalink)
    Looking forward to see the comparison with HC block. Going to need a good gpu support .
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 05:29:15 (permalink)
    Just ordered mine.  Really pricey...over $800 Canadian, including shipping.  Thank you @Gotspeed for the heads up/PM.  Much appreciated.

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/07/29 05:40:20 (permalink)
    Gotspeed_2000I just ordered mines tonight as soon as I saw the post here about it being available to order.  I don't know how many people got in before me

     
    got an order in for 2 of these monsters at 11:24 EST, couple friends around this time also. not looking like the 2x Kingpins will be going in a case with these blocks, so praxis it is. backplate looks insane, v excited
     
    also kind of sad lol at the hydrocopper blocks now, i never even installed the kit on my hybrid. was planning on it in the next week or two. now i think it isn't even worth. tick tock
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/04 21:56:03 (permalink)
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    Gotspeed_2000I just ordered mines tonight as soon as I saw the post here about it being available to order.  I don't know how many people got in before me

     
    got an order in for 2 of these monsters at 11:24 EST, couple friends around this time also. not looking like the 2x Kingpins will be going in a case with these blocks, so praxis it is. backplate looks insane, v excited
     
    also kind of sad lol at the hydrocopper blocks now, i never even installed the kit on my hybrid. was planning on it in the next week or two. now i think it isn't even worth. tick tock



    Oh nice!
     

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 00:13:51 (permalink)
    Full cover front + rear pcb will just be insane!
    I guess this block will weigh 7-8lb with the active backplate.
     
    If heat is the only thing that holds back the KPE, this block will cut this leash^^

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 05:03:42 (permalink)
    Dayum, kinda regret getting the KP Hydro copper for mine with this out finally.
    But sheesh $600? My 3090 kp with this would equal the cost of my first watercooled pc build alone. Eager to see the temps on this monster, and probably would need make a vertical support for this thing as my HC right now sags a bit when vertically mounted. Not eager to tear down my loop again for this though.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 14:18:38 (permalink)
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    Dayum, kinda regret getting the KP Hydro copper for mine with this out finally.
    But sheesh $600? My 3090 kp with this would equal the cost of my first watercooled pc build alone. Eager to see the temps on this monster, and probably would need make a vertical support for this thing as my HC right now sags a bit when vertically mounted. Not eager to tear down my loop again for this though.




     
    I know! It’s pretty upsetting. 


    $598 is expensive, but apparently Optimus is selling the block only without backplate for $299.99. Although, these units are not available yet. So for $598.00 your really getting (2) water blocks. And they also include a full rear board sized Fujipoly thermal pad for the back waterblock. And they include the Fujipoly extreme pads for the front modules.
     
    This block is supposed to offer like 7-8C deltas over water temps. I mean, what a beast! 


    I am tempted to sale my Kingpin Hydro copper, and just buy one..
     
    The performance would certainly be worth it. SUB 40C temps are gonna be easy with a block like this.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 14:39:30 (permalink)
    I paid $400 for my FTW3 Optimus block.  I wonder what the additional $200 nets.
     
    Edit:  Nevermind.  Active backplate.

     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 14:45:13 (permalink)
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    I paid $400 for my FTW3 Optimus block.  I wonder what the additional $200 nets.
     
    Edit:  Nevermind.  Active backplate.



    Optimus confirmed that the Kingpin has $150 more dollars in cost involved just for the addition of the top shelf Fujipoly thermal pads. Besides the thermal pads, the card has a 2nd waterblock on the back of it.
     
    The price is very reasonable. For $598.00 it actually makes use KP Hydro
    copper owners fee ripped off lol. 


     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 14:48:58 (permalink)
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    Optimus confirmed that the Kingpin has $150 more dollars in cost involved just for the addition of the top shelf Fujipoly thermal pads. Besides the thermal pads, the card has a 2nd waterblock on the back of it.


    Ah, the upgrade in pads too, that's pretty awesome.  I currently have the EK Vector that I absolutely will not use (long story).  Can't wait until my Opti block comes.  Seriously envious of the KPE owners now though.  :-D

     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 14:55:36 (permalink)
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    Optimus confirmed that the Kingpin has $150 more dollars in cost involved just for the addition of the top shelf Fujipoly thermal pads. Besides the thermal pads, the card has a 2nd waterblock on the back of it.


    Ah, the upgrade in pads too, that's pretty awesome.  I currently have the EK Vector that I absolutely will not use (long story).  Can't wait until my Opti block comes.  Seriously envious of the KPE owners now though.  :-D



    The memory modules on these cards are just ridiculously good, and this waterblock would help that so much too.. Most people don’t even realize it (Leaving the dip switches off, and the standard bios, or OC bios. But I’ve personally played Cyberpunk 2077 at +2,050 on my memory. it’s really kinda scary how it just keeps going and goin.
     
    Enable both FBVDD switches on the back, and enable the load line dip switches too for around 1.51-1.53V instead of a standard 1.375V.
     
    My memory hot spot is still about 58-60C with just standard memory voltages and no overclocking. So, I really can’t imagine what this 7-8 pound beast of a block would offer.
     
    It’s crazy how eager people are to pay the $600. lol.
     
    I have never seen a top shelf GPU block, that also has top shelf thermal material too. More companies need to offer this as an option. 
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 15:53:37 (permalink)
    Whats the point of active back plate for additional $250-300 if it does not matter what the VRAM temp is as long as it is less than 90c? My FE does 80-82c (ambient 31c) while having +1500 on VRAM.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 19:08:37 (permalink)
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    Whats the point of active back plate for additional $250-300 if it does not matter what the VRAM temp is as long as it is less than 90c? My FE does 80-82c (ambient 31c) while having +1500 on VRAM.


     

    First of all. 90C is hot lol. Hot to me anyways! What is your memory Tjunction temp? 
     
     
    Also, your 3090 FE’s memory is running very minimal voltage at only (1.375V). So when we increase the voltage to our GDDR6X on our Kingpins, we want the memory to
    run cooler, because it’s going to run hotter and use more power.  I am sending around 1.5V, and my memory runs 44C on the front of the card, and around 50C on the back of my 3090KP. Memory junction temp is usually 55-58C (Temp inside the memory modules) If I run standard OC bios on my 3090KP, my memory temps would stay around 35-40C probably.
     
    I just have a standard backplate without active cooling. The original KP back plate is all passive.  


    Memory is very sensitive to temperatures. The cooler is runs the better! We want the whole card to run as cool as possible! Because we want higher boost on the GPU! 


     
    This  screenshot is the game Ark. It has been running for about 2 hours. No overclocking at all! Everything is stock besides 1.5V memory voltage due to my 520 watt LN2 Kingpin bios applying that by default.
     
    And yeah I would love even lower temps on the memory. who wouldn’t? 

    The photos demonstrate idle, and load temps.
     
     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 19:28:01 (permalink)
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    First of all. 90C is hot lol. Hot to me anyways! What is your memory Tjunction temp?
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    It is always fun how a $1500 FE can make people raise eyebrows and embarrass $2300+ MSRP GPUs, I provided TJ temp already.
     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/05 19:29:46 (permalink)
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    Whats the point of active back plate for additional $250-300 if it does not matter what the VRAM temp is as long as it is less than 90c? My FE does 80-82c (ambient 31c) while having +1500 on VRAM.



    That's if we all fit in the same box. My next project will involve extracting as much of the heat out as I can so I can experiment with controlling the PC's ambient environment and make a sustainable PC sub freezing. Not just cooling, but removing the heat from VRMs is very important to me.
     
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 07:00:44 (permalink)
    Is this block really twice as good as the KP hydrocopper block???
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 07:10:36 (permalink)
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    Is this block really twice as good as the KP hydrocopper block???




    No known person outside the company has one yet. Not sure how good it is yet.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 07:26:00 (permalink)
     
    Where did you get "twice as good" from? Are you basing that on price? The existing GPU block with XL back plate costs about $380. With the double sided block, it's $589, so it's not double the price, as anyone buying the original single block is also going to get the back plate. The new front & back blocks are effectively 2 separate GPU water blocks, so you're buying 'double' the number of GPU blocks, if that's what you mean ...so you can't expect it to be cheap.
     
    The KingPin 3090 was designed for high performance water cooled overclocking (or chilled, or LN2, or even helium apparently), and if you'd done any due diligence you'd know that VRM cooling is an issue with the back side of these GPUs getting really hot. With water cooling, keeping it cooler enables higher clocks, therefore being able to address the high VRM temps with active cooling on the back side of the GPU is going to help run higher overall clocks. Is it going to double the overclock - obviously not. Is it going to enable achieving higher clocks - for sure.. and that is what these cards are for - enthusiasts who really want to push it to the limit.
     
     
     

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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 07:50:22 (permalink)
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    Where did you get "twice as good" from? Are you basing that on price? The existing GPU block with XL back plate costs about $380. With the double sided block, it's $589, so it's not double the price, as anyone buying the original single block is also going to get the back plate. The new front & back blocks are effectively 2 separate GPU water blocks, so you're buying 'double' the number of GPU blocks, if that's what you mean ...so you can't expect it to be cheap.
     
    The KingPin 3090 was designed for high performance water cooled overclocking (or chilled, or LN2, or even helium apparently), and if you'd done any due diligence you'd know that VRM cooling is an issue with the back side of these GPUs getting really hot. With water cooling, keeping it cooler enables higher clocks, therefore being able to address the high VRM temps with active cooling on the back side of the GPU is going to help run higher overall clocks. Is it going to double the overclock - obviously not. Is it going to enable achieving higher clocks - for sure.. and that is what these cards are for - enthusiasts who really want to push it to the limit.
     
     
     
    yes , price was the back of the envelope metric for what I posted. For twice the money I would want twice the performance or thereabouts when considering diminishing returns. Did you get one? I’d love to see a HC vs optimus comparison.
     
    e: and just to be clear.  The 1999 hydrocopper kit for the kingpin hybrid from EVGA was ~ $300.  this one is ~ $600.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 08:37:01 (permalink)
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    Where did you get "twice as good" from? Are you basing that on price? The existing GPU block with XL back plate costs about $380. With the double sided block, it's $589, so it's not double the price, as anyone buying the original single block is also going to get the back plate. The new front & back blocks are effectively 2 separate GPU water blocks, so you're buying 'double' the number of GPU blocks, if that's what you mean ...so you can't expect it to be cheap.
     
    The KingPin 3090 was designed for high performance water cooled overclocking (or chilled, or LN2, or even helium apparently), and if you'd done any due diligence you'd know that VRM cooling is an issue with the back side of these GPUs getting really hot. With water cooling, keeping it cooler enables higher clocks, therefore being able to address the high VRM temps with active cooling on the back side of the GPU is going to help run higher overall clocks. Is it going to double the overclock - obviously not. Is it going to enable achieving higher clocks - for sure.. and that is what these cards are for - enthusiasts who really want to push it to the limit.
     
     
     


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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 08:54:37 (permalink)
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    First of all. 90C is hot lol. Hot to me anyways! What is your memory Tjunction temp?
    '
     
    It is always fun how a $1500 FE can make people raise eyebrows and embarrass $2300+ MSRP GPU.
     
     


     
    What? I said your temps would be pretty high for me lol. You asked why we’d want our memory cool. So we explained why we want backside water-cooling. GPU’s with backside ram have become the norm. Another member said he wants to avoid condensation, he’s running sub ambient water. I just run ambient water my self and want the lowest possible total board temps.
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    Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2021/08/06 09:40:48 (permalink)
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    Where did you get "twice as good" from? Are you basing that on price? The existing GPU block with XL back plate costs about $380. With the double sided block, it's $589, so it's not double the price, as anyone buying the original single block is also going to get the back plate. The new front & back blocks are effectively 2 separate GPU water blocks, so you're buying 'double' the number of GPU blocks, if that's what you mean ...so you can't expect it to be cheap.

    The KingPin 3090 was designed for high performance water cooled overclocking (or chilled, or LN2, or even helium apparently), and if you'd done any due diligence you'd know that VRM cooling is an issue with the back side of these GPUs getting really hot. With water cooling, keeping it cooler enables higher clocks, therefore being able to address the high VRM temps with active cooling on the back side of the GPU is going to help run higher overall clocks. Is it going to double the overclock - obviously not. Is it going to enable achieving higher clocks - for sure.. and that is what these cards are for - enthusiasts who really want to push it to the limit.

    yes , price was the back of the envelope metric for what I posted. For twice the money I would want twice the performance or thereabouts when considering diminishing returns. Did you get one? I’d love to see a HC vs optimus comparison.
     
    e: and just to be clear.  The 1999 hydrocopper kit for the kingpin hybrid from EVGA was ~ $300.  this one is ~ $600.

    Twice the money = twice the performance you say? Ok then, on that basis, not having a water block would mean a card with 0MHz clock? Awesome. See the problem with that statement now? ..lol, as I said previously, you're effectively paying for a 2nd GPU block, and the materials and labor and profit margin required to make that block. Nobody else claimed 'twice the performance', and it would seem to be an intentionally obtuse statement. Increased performance certainly, particularly with mem clocks, but until the blocks come out we don't really know exactly how much of a difference it will make.
     
    I have not been able to get my hands on either of the 3090 KingPins (AiO or Hydrocopper) although I am on the notify list, but based on the current rate of movement it's going to be near a decade before my name comes up (not kidding), and I refuse to pay scalper prices for one. IF I had been lucky enough to get a KP 3090, I would have got the Optimus block initially, and added the active back cooling block too. Unfortunately I was unable to get onto the product page for a couple of hours at launch/open notify, so I missed out.
     
    Comparing with EVGA on price alone - sure; EVGA KP block (p/n 400-HC-1999-B1) is $300. Optimus is $600 and it is effectively 2 blocks. That answers that one.
     
    post edited by Nereus - 2021/08/06 09:44:00

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