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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/24 18:45:13
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.. now to wait for the card to come. So far i'm not sure impressed with others GPE numbers. I was already getting 2100 on my 2080 ti FE ... (380w bios, shuntmod, etc.. that said, my FEs vram didn't OC very well...) rad/fans: https://koolance.com/erm-...-cooling-system-copperOn a gamernexus video kingpin said say any users should be able to get 2200. But we will see :) MHW doesn't use SLI and i need more perf! hopefully the KPE with a 9 fan monster rad can give me a few 100mhz more. 2200-2300 would be nice. That would keep MHW over 60fps at least. If cyberpunk 2077 uses SLI i'll pick up another KPE. (or move the Titan RTXs to the TV...) ampere better not come out before the spring :) I bought 'nuff cards this year (and the hdmi 2.1 would make me buy a new TV :P)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/24 19:48:17
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.. now to wait for the card to come.
So far i'm not sure impressed with others GPE numbers. I was already getting 2100 on my 2080 ti FE ... (380w bios, shuntmod, etc.. that said, my FEs vram didn't OC very well...) rad/fans: https://koolance.com/erm-...-cooling-system-copper
On a gamernexus video kingpin said say any users should be able to get 2200.
But we will see :) MHW doesn't use SLI and i need more perf! hopefully the KPE with a 9 fan monster rad can give me a few 100mhz more.
2200-2300 would be nice. That would keep MHW over 60fps at least. If cyberpunk 2077 uses SLI i'll pick up another KPE. (or move the Titan RTXs to the TV...)
ampere better not come out before the spring :) I bought 'nuff cards this year (and the hdmi 2.1 would make me buy a new TV :P)
Bummer it comes with no Flow Meter. (optional Koolance flow meter required) "Brass/Copper, 9 x 120mm fans" so you are getting the correct one, the other one is Aluminum and you do not want that one. You could set it in front of a Window Air Conditioner and really Chill it down. I do not think you are going to Game @ 2200-2300MHz with the Cooling system you are going to be using. Maybe a strong 2140-2190MHz at best. I am at 2160MHz myself.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
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I have like 6 of those uints (only use 2 of them now.) All the copper ones. This isn't my first dance in OC'n (i've normally been in the top 10 for the 3dmark tests when new hardware launches for years. Of course that could just mean i'm a dummy early adaptor.) I never went LN2.. but i always try to max OC that i'd use when playing games. The Koolance can cool a massive amount of heat. I used to run quad SLI in the past(till nvidia lied and changed it to only 2:P ugh! after i already loaded up 2 full systems with 4 cards each!)  1 card is nothing. (also, yeah one has to add a flow meter. but that is fine. I also connect a water temp senor to it too.. and add another pump.) 2400w of cooling is a ton. This computer only has a 10 core in it too, which is a baby compared to the heat the intel 18 cores put out. but on KPE perf.... boo.. that would make me sad - but i think you are right - but it is only a little more than i had on the FE*. The better vram will help. The micron's where a mixed bag.. some OC'd well and some didn't. The ones in my HTPC (which i'm replacing to use the KPE) OC'd poorly. At best +500. (hrmm.. maybe i should just have bought more Titan RTX cards. I could have reused the waterblocks. the KPE with pointlessly-costly-block is pretty much the price of a Titan.) I'll be using the XOC bios to remove all the limits. I'd be shock if i'd still be using this card in a year. hell, in the last year, in this system, i went thru titan Xp SLI, Titan V, and 2080 ti FE SLI... The gamers nexus review said they couldn't get over 2200 using any of the stock bios and needed to the XOC bios. It is a shame they only tested with the stock and LN2. It would have been nice to see with them test with a replaced water-cooling setup. (but this review sample might be better that we get.)  https://youtu.be/H5EVx6p3p0M?t=637 I also kick myself for throwing away my old EVBot :P Overclocking in fun so whatever the end perf is it will give few a few days to something to screw around with. ARGH! i really wish i knew if cyberpunk is going to support SLI!! RT + SLI is an amazing selling point as nothing is running RT in 4k :P hell.. Shadow of the tomb raider was great in 4k with SLI. (of course it made me upgrade that system to a 1600w PS because it was to much for my 1200 seasonic… :P )
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/25 06:31:44
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@ zurvvYou may be more satisfied if you were to chill the loops with EXC-800 Chiller. Should be able to run a couple RTX KPEs @2220ish if you can keep their temps around <10C. Though you may Still need to get lucky on the Silicon.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/25 06:48:49
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You may be more satisfied if you were to chill the loops with EXC-800 Chiller. Should be able to run a couple RTX KPEs @2220ish if you can keep their temps around <10C. Though you may Still need to get lucky on the Silicon.
Hi Zed, I did have that chiller. I live in a small NYC apt and the noise was to much for me to handle 24/7. I even rerouted all the cables in the wall and put the computer, and cooling down the hall... In fact the real problem wasn't the hum, but when the compressor kicked in. The click/shack noise randomly bugged me. Did they improve the unit? Also, are you using the XOC bios? If i live in a house i'd totally run the water cooling to the basement or something and go to town down there is loud stuff that i couldn't hear in rest of the house. The system i'm putting my KPE is for gaming and all i wanted to hear is the game. :) ie, this isn't my main OC'n rig. sofa + dog + 77 oled + 4k HRD + 5.1.2 == win! 
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/26 20:50:00
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We have asked this question a few times now but no one is responding "How thick are the pads?"
100 x 15 x ?.0 is the size you can but and will cost you.
You will need
4 Each 15mm x 55mm (just short with one strip for 2)
1 Each 15mm x 100mm
1 Each 15mm x 25mm
1 Each 7mm x 115 mm
1 Each 7mm x 50mm
2 Each 10mm x 10mm
I have the block in front of me and i'm trying to eye ball the pads on the ram. it isn't .5 - but it isn't clear to me if it is 1.0mm or 1.5mm. 2mm is to thick. My guess for the pads would be below:  I also put in a question about this to support a few days ago and got zip back :( I'd like not to guess. I have two KPE and i don't want to redo them. (also the Fuji's are costly) UPDATE: I'm pretty sure they are all the same size and that size is 1.5mm (that is what i used.)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/26 21:26:49
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I will be home later today, I have a new block there and a new micrometer I ordered just for the purpose of measuring the pads, I'll let you know if someone else hasn't by then.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/26 21:30:55
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Maybe TiN_EE can post the sizes for us.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/26 21:43:36
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thanks sir! You are crazy and are going SLI with the KPE, right? :) Parallel or serial? I normally go parallel, but the slots of the top are weirding me out for some reason. (i'm used to parallel always for 3/4 way SLI) (i'm also having a space issue that might force me to use serial as exiting the second card there isn't any room left of it. There isn't much room above cards before it hits to case too.) how restricted is the flow in these? I'm replacing 2080 ti FE with bitspower blocks that were in serial and had great flow. (i also have a D5 someplace i could throw in too.)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 07:34:24
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i got a reply back from EVGA support about the pads.
Hello,
Thank you for the message. Unfortunately we don't have the exact dimensions but the thermal pads tend to be our 1mm for most of the pads that are preinstalled
onto the video card. If you'd like exact thickness size, go ahead and just measure the thermal pads that are already on the card.
Of course, i do apologize for the lack of information.
Best Regards,
EVGA
So i'm pretty much sure that the ram pads are 1mm. But if others could measure the others that would rock. I have a bunch of fujipoly and TG pads :)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 13:17:38
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TiN_EE should know the correct sizes.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 14:25:26
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i got a reply back from EVGA support about the pads.
Hello,
Thank you for the message. Unfortunately we don't have the exact dimensions but the thermal pads tend to be our 1mm for most of the pads that are preinstalled
onto the video card. If you'd like exact thickness size, go ahead and just measure the thermal pads that are already on the card.
Of course, i do apologize for the lack of information.
Best Regards,
EVGA
So i'm pretty much sure that the ram pads are 1mm.
But if others could measure the others that would rock. I have a bunch of fujipoly and TG pads :)
These pads are very hard to check even with the micrometer i got because they are so easily squeezed. I can't really say what they are myself. i might just go with the trial and error put on certain pad check and see if the contact is good or needs thicker or thinner. Wouldn't think it would be to hard to figure them out but gosh it is. Then you have to wonder as well how accurate the thickness is between different brands.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 15:14:23
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i froze all the pads and then lined them up. They might all be 1mm..... but the squishy, even frozen is a thing.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 15:31:39
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i froze all the pads and then lined them up. They might all be 1mm..... but the squishy, even frozen is a thing.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 16:45:52
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grrrr.. it is like just a little over 1mm. on the plus side all the pads are the same. what that same is... fluffy 1.0mm? but i feel like i just blew $100 om pads for this... because 1mm looks like it isn't enough. i'm going to try adding .5mm and see if it helps. come on evga. How can no one know this spec! this is dumb. UPDATE: I'm 90% sure all the pads are 1.5mm.. that is what i'm going with on my 2 cards. I'm getting imprints on the pads and getting good spread on the thermal jiz.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 18:05:09
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I think for GPUs in general over the years I've seen use 0.5mm-1.0mm pads iirc.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 19:33:51
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive. But what do I know, I have left screws between memory chips and thermal pads. :D
How that this sorted out, here are thermal pad thickness for KPE HC block:
3 x Memory pad : 55 x 15 x 1.25mm
VRM pads : All 1.5 mm thick, left side 50.5 x 6.3 mm and 54.5 x 15mm
Right side 25 x 15 mm, 90 x 15mm, 114.5 x 6.3 mm.
Little square ones for FETs : 10 x 10 x 1.5mm
I doubt changing them will do much difference though, so prove me wrong :)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 20:01:48
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Not ever going to try & prove TiN wrong and KPE doesn't need thermal pads KPE needs LN2 pot. 
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 20:51:06
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blah. one of the OLEDs on the HC doesn't show anything and is burning to the touch.. and mem sensor on the other card for ram 2 shows 0 temp... good times i don't even care about the display. (other than the extra cost it put on the cards.) burring to the touch can't be good. let me pull it apart. Maybe a flow issue too.. but the GPU is really cool. quick disconnects make life ez :)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 21:04:47
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Check cable connection, if it's plugged correctly? There are keys to guide connector housing, should be easy to plug without resistance.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 21:13:09
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Check cable connection, if it's plugged correctly? There are keys to guide connector housing, should be easy to plug without resistance.
yeah, i'm going to check for that. hell, did i even connect it? :) (also it would be odd that it got so hot) is there a problem is 1 of the mem temp sensors didn't work? gpu-z reports all the 11gigs is there. (did upgrade the firmware on the card (the one i assume is for the oled.. not the bios for the card itself.) side question, what are the hand written numbers on the frame about the GPU? the number tested? i have 55 and 90 (it could be 70.. ) clearly the gpus were tested. There were multi different pastes poorly cleaned around the edge of the GPU (white, blue and grey on one of the cards.) Not a big deal to me :)
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/27 21:28:31
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I think those numbers represent might represent 20(55)mhz ambient clc no manual OC and a 21(90)mhz peak stability @ ambient when it was tested.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/28 02:45:13
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive. But what do I know, I have left screws between memory chips and thermal pads. :D
How that this sorted out, here are thermal pad thickness for KPE HC block:
3 x Memory pad : 55 x 15 x 1.25mm
VRM pads : All 1.5 mm thick, left side 50.5 x 6.3 mm and 54.5 x 15mm
Right side 25 x 15 mm, 90 x 15mm, 114.5 x 6.3 mm.
Little square ones for FETs : 10 x 10 x 1.5mm
I doubt changing them will do much difference though, so prove me wrong :)
Thanks for that info, i printed it out so i have it for future references, keep up the good work on your end.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/28 06:03:47
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive. But what do I know, I have left screws between memory chips and thermal pads. :D
I don't think you'll find another waterblock product that wouldn't include the the pad info with the product documents or specs. While i wouldn't expect people to know it off the top of their head (Thank you for the info BTW!), the info isn't any place. EVGA support didn't know either. My frustration was i was trying for days to find out basic info about the block - and no one knew. shhhh… no one will know about the screws in the memory pads... luckily there was no video of it. :D @dwexpress did you connect up your blocks? My temps are super high but also my flow super tanked - which i'm going to guess is the problem. It is both cards (my setup is pretty much the same as it was before, i just swaped out two 2080 ti FE w/ bitspower blocks for this KPE with HC.) I'll add another pump in the loop to see if that helps. I don't think it was me switching the pads as there is good contact/spread patterns on the GPU paste. That also makes me think it isn't the frame around the gpu either. If restoring the flow back to 6-7lpm (from the 2 lpm that it is now... ), i'll try taking those frames out. disconnecting and reconnecting the OLED screen on the second card stopped if from burning to the touch, but it is still dead. Can those be replaced w/o RMA'n the full card?
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/28 08:07:46
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive. But what do I know, I have left screws between memory chips and thermal pads. :D
I don't think you'll find another waterblock product that wouldn't include the the pad info with the product documents or specs. While i wouldn't expect people to know it off the top of their head (Thank you for the info BTW!), the info isn't any place. EVGA support didn't know either. My frustration was i was trying for days to find out basic info about the block - and no one knew.
shhhh… no one will know about the screws in the memory pads... luckily there was no video of it. :D
@dwexpress
did you connect up your blocks? My temps are super high but also my flow super tanked - which i'm going to guess is the problem. It is both cards
(my setup is pretty much the same as it was before, i just swaped out two 2080 ti FE w/ bitspower blocks for this KPE with CH.)
I'll add another pump in the loop to see if that helps. I don't think it was me switching the pads as there is good contact/spread patterns on the GPU paste. That also makes me think it isn't the frame around the gpu either. If restoring the flow back to 6-7lpm (from the 2 lpm that it is now... ), i'll try taking those frames out.
disconnecting and reconnecting the OLED screen on the second card stopped if from burning to the touch, but it is still dead. Can those be replaced w/o RMA'n the full card?
Not yet, i got home and my water pump wouldn't run, so i've been working on the thermal pads, i wanted to get the best thermals on the card before checking out my chiller but kind of put a kink in that theory now that the pump quit on me.
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/28 09:42:04
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive. But what do I know, I have left screws between memory chips and thermal pads. :D
How that this sorted out, here are thermal pad thickness for KPE HC block:
3 x Memory pad : 55 x 15 x 1.25mm
VRM pads : All 1.5 mm thick, left side 50.5 x 6.3 mm and 54.5 x 15mm
Right side 25 x 15 mm, 90 x 15mm, 114.5 x 6.3 mm.
Little square ones for FETs : 10 x 10 x 1.5mm
I doubt changing them will do much difference though, so prove me wrong :)
I was Close on the sizes  I cannot find 1.25mm thickness anywhere
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Re: EVGA RTX 2080 Ti K|NGP|N (HC Waterblock) Water/Chiller/Sub Zero Cooling Club
2019/06/28 09:44:09
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Dumb or not, there are many things involved in each and every product, so to expect everyone know everything is bit naive.
Not sure Sajin knows that 
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