dwoodward

vardenkastav

gnfnr100

Ah its been a while, but i can see craptacular is still good at crushing peoples information related dreams. Sadly, he is right 99% of the time. =/

WOW, what a guy ! I wish i were like him !

Instead of mocking him, you could listen to what he is telling you. He comes across as being a dickhead but doesn't everyone when they are telling you that you are wrong?

Man up! Accept that you might be wrong on this issue and then learn from what he is telling you. Craptacular is very knowledgeable in this area and can help you learn a lot.

For God's sake, is this forum a mutual adoration club or something ? I do not deny the guy may be knowledgeable. All i am saying is that my i7 920 + 2x5870 run games as well on 2.66GHz as on 4.0GHz. Is it so hard to understand that i do not care about any other rig than mine or comparable ? I dont care if someone has older CPU that is botlenecking his GPU, my CPU is not bottlenecking my 2x5870 in any game i play. And the fact i would get 200FPS with 4.0GHz comparing to 150FPS with 2.66GHz is meaningless to me! I want 60 FPS constant, no less and no more. With such expectation my i7 is not bottlenecking anything. Hope its clear because i have explained it couple of times already i am getting really getting tired of this pointless conversation.

vardenkastav

i am getting really getting tired of this pointless conversation.

Ding Ding Ding

vardenkastav

dwoodward

vardenkastav

gnfnr100

Ah its been a while, but i can see craptacular is still good at crushing peoples information related dreams. Sadly, he is right 99% of the time. =/

WOW, what a guy ! I wish i were like him !

Instead of mocking him, you could listen to what he is telling you. He comes across as being a dickhead but doesn't everyone when they are telling you that you are wrong?

Man up! Accept that you might be wrong on this issue and then learn from what he is telling you. Craptacular is very knowledgeable in this area and can help you learn a lot.

For God's sake, is this forum a mutual adoration club or something ? I do not deny the guy may be knowledgeable. All i am saying is that my i7 920 + 2x5870 run games as well on 2.66GHz as on 4.0GHz. Is it so hard to understand that i do not care about any other rig than mine or comparable ? I dont care if someone has older CPU that is botlenecking his GPU, my CPU is not bottlenecking my 2x5870 in any game i play. And the fact i would get 200FPS with 4.0GHz comparing to 150FPS with 2.66GHz is meaningless to me! I want 60 FPS constant, no less and no more. With such expectation my i7 is not bottlenecking anything. Hope its clear because i have explained it couple of times already i am getting really getting tired of this pointless conversation.

So you yourself are now admitting that the performance is higher with a faster CPU? Bottlenecks aren't just about achieving a constant 60fps. A bottleneck is when something is holding a component back from performing at it's fullest potential. Not your own little rule you made up about only wanting 60fps.

I'm not telling you that you have to go and run your CPU overclocked if you don't want to, it's your choice. But there is no denying the fact that if you give the cards a faster CPU they can and will give back higher performance.

60 is not the max fps an LCD can display. Perhaps the max your LCD can display but again not all of them. And furthermore if extracting the maximum performance available doesn't make any sense to you then I'm obviously wasting my time in this discussion with you. You're never going to understand.

Ive been doing some O/Cing and got a Q
no matter what adjustments I make It either improves the gpu score or the cpu score but does not improve the total score
is this bottle neck?

sakelover

your Dirt 2 results are interesting vardenkastav

but wouldn't that just mean, u picked a game that ur GPU's are holding u back from getting a higher FPS regardless or CPU clock speed?
(ur GPU limited, even though it's not a problem, and u get good FPS)

if u added another 5870 I bet the results would change

but if ur sure,
why don't u bench a few more games at stock vs 4Ghz+?

if a lot of games show the same results....well then who knows, maybe ur right?
then as an extreme test, turn off 2 cores?

 
In my first post i said...
 
"Ran Dirt 2, CoD MW2, BF2 and Fallout 3. Don't have anything else at the moment. In 1920 x 1080 with graphic details al the way up, my two 5870 weren't able to load CPU more than 20% with average load around 10% most of the time. On stock settings 2.66GHz average CPU load was around 18% maxing at 30%. "
 
And however people said that i wasn't doing my tests correctly, now after reading how much other crap people said i am going to stick with my tests. Why my CPU would be a bottleneck for GPU when it never reaches 30% when playing game ? That just make no sense.
 
The two cores test may be interesting, but i am still not sure how many cores games really use and if it is dependent of operating system ? I saw that all of those games i tested theoreticaly used all cores (physical cores only) in Windows 7. I need to play with that though. It is very interesting idea.
 
Adding another 5870 wouldn't change much beacause my minimum FPS is already at 60. Thats the part people in this OC oriented forum cannot grasp at all. I am not doing syntetic benchmarks and i play my games with vsyn on. If i couldn't play game in 1920x1080 with maxed out settings at 60FPS then i would most definitely add another 5870. Hope this concept is not so hard to understand.

CraptacularOne

vardenkastav

CraptacularOne

60 is not the max fps an LCD can display. Perhaps the max your LCD can display but again not all of them. And furthermore if extracting the maximum performance available doesn't make any sense to you then I'm obviously wasting my time in this discussion with you. You're never going to understand.

It doesn matter what is the max LCD can display. Now we arguing over 60FPS because this is the max for most LCDs. In few years we would propably have the same argument over 120FPS. Who cares ? We are talking about concept.

Am i really not interested in extracting maximum performance available ? Tell me then what the heck i am missing playing any game at 60FPS versus playing it at 150FPS ???

If you think you wasting time then stop repeat the same arguments over and over, it is boring for me anyway.

It's boring for you because you don't understand the mentality of an enthusiast overclocker. What you're saying regarding overclocking is like asking someone why they just bought a Ferrari when the speed limit is only 60Mph. Then telling that person you can get to work the same as them in your Toyota Camry and that they wasted their money.

I am sorry (not really heheh) if i pissed off people who invested tons of money into their rigs being clueless about 60FPS LCD cap and now trying to do everything they can (benchmarks) just to justify wasted money.

CraptacularOne

Making a blanket statement like CPU bottlenecks are BS and then going on in your very own thread to acknowledge that you can in fact extract more performance with a faster CPU makes you look like what you are: Ignorant. Just because you don't care about anything more than 60fps doesn't make your CPU bottleneck thesis true. You're just making sh!t up because you refuse to admit you were wrong in the 1st place.

Oh, so now you call me ignorant just because i have different opinion that yours. That definitely makes you smart as hell in my eyes :) 60FPS expectation makes my "CPU bottleneck thesis" true >>> for my PC <<< How many times i need to repeat that ??? Am i making sh!t up ? Really ? Like what ? Or maybe you just realized you are wrong and refuse to admit that to don't lose your so called "reputation" on this forum

Here's my question, if the OP doesn't care about ANY system but his own, why post here at all? We don't care about his system either.

CraptacularOne

No one here is clueless to an average LCD having a 60Hz refresh rate and trust me the last thing they or we need is some idiots approval on a forum that doesn't have a damn clue what he's talking about. I'm talking about maximum theoretical performance available to you. Yet this simple concept seems to elude your feeble mind.

I couldn't care less about some so called reputation on a forum. This is a matter of you being wrong and being to dumb to understand it. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. You've admitted that a higher clocked CPU does indeed drive video cards to perform better than a stock clocked one and yet you still want to argue that you're right?

Trust me you're not some digital messiah that's preaching the new found gospel of some unknown truth. Your just a raving idiot standing on a corner with a sign that says "the end is near"...

The "very knowledgeable" guy is calling me an idiot !!! I guess i better agree with you before you call me something else, right ? Ok mister, i could say that as far as your "knowledge" is considered i think you are full of sh!t, but there is no point to offend you or other people on this forum.

By the way, i wonder how many people reading this post still think you are so knowledgeable. Calling other guy an idiot as last desperate argument in a conversation ? Very smart idea... LOL

CraptacularOne

The only person full of sh!t here is you. It's hardly a "last desperate argument" You are dead wrong in saying that a CPU bottleneck is BS with a stock clocked CPU. Yet you are too damn dumb to just admit it.

As far as how many people still reading this post regard me, I've got several PMs saying they don't know how I put up with idiots like you.

You are going to keep calling me names just because your lack of knowledge doesn't give you any argument to support your story ? You are funniest kid ever !

PMs ? Oh, yeah, yeah... i got them too, all saying that you are nothing more than selfish windbag that pretends to be smart and knowledgeable...

My advice for you is to go back working at FatBurger or at register in computer store (best case scenario) and don't try to pretender you know and understand  something you simply don't. I know reality may be painful, but not all of us are meant to work in NASA, just accept that. You may be still very successful in "pizza delivery" field.

well thanks guys, I hate posting in a cold thread
lol

anyway, back on topic, ur Dirt 2 results, I thought were strange
so I thought about it and Dirt2 is 1 of the few games that supports Multi-threading, so even at stock it is using all 8 threads
and then DX11 uses less CPU than DX9  (and even DX9 didn't use all that much) 
or so I read here, there results seemed similar to the OP's, not a lot of CPU resources being used

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/12/23/dirt_2_gameplay_performance_image_quality/9 

so maybe that game would be hard to produce a CPU bottleneck


Crysis on Very High would I bet anything would
lots of physics going on 

sakelover

well thanks guys, I hate posting in a cold thread
lol

anyway, back on topic, ur Dirt 2 results, I thought were strange
so I thought about it and Dirt2 is 1 of the few games that supports Multi-threading, so even at stock it is using all 8 threads
and then DX11 uses less CPU than DX9  (and even DX9 didn't use all that much) 
or so I read here, there results seemed similar to the OP's, not a lot of CPU resources being used

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/12/23/dirt_2_gameplay_performance_image_quality/9 

so maybe that game would be hard to produce a CPU bottleneck


Crysis on Very High would I bet anything would
lots of physics going on 

yeah, yeah, i know, this thread must be amusing to read

On what OS Dirt 2 uses 8 threads ? I wonder because on Windows 7 i saw it using only 4, i assume one thread per core. I have read W7 has improved scheduler so it may be because of that.

I agree Dirt 2 may be not very CPU dependent, but what about other games i checked with CPU utilization (first post in this thread). I just cannot understand how CPU could bottleneck GPU if CPU utilization in any game i checked wasn't more than 30%.

as much as I hate to admit it some times, Crap is usually correct so take your lumps and learn from it and move on. Other wise you won't last long around here.
 

mikotan

why are you guys even arguing whats common knowledge?
the guys dumb enough not to know when to admit he is wrong.
crap surprising that you would even bother with someone as stubborn as him.
I'd just call it quits and let him be in his reality.

I'm bored....lol

Anyway, I'm pretty much done with this clown anyway....

So you now admit to being a troll as well as being wrong the whole time? It just never ends with you does it?