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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/18 16:41:47
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The real junk here is the Gigabyte incompetent AIO copper plate with limited thermal capacity. The memory temperature rises like hell if you put a plate like that in any 4090.
Yeah, gigabyte did that on purpose, so users could complain. 🤣
What is the best 4090 under greed?
Galax 4090 HOF of course.
So does EVGA Kingpin of course.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/18 16:46:37
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The real junk here is the Gigabyte incompetent AIO copper plate with limited thermal capacity. The memory temperature rises like hell if you put a plate like that in any 4090.Â
Yeah, gigabyte did that on purpose, so users could complain. 🤣
What is the best 4090 under greed?
Galax 4090 HOF of course.
So does EVGA Kingpin of course.Â
Can’t say kingpin this gen because evga isn’t in it at this time.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/18 17:32:23
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So does EVGA Kingpin of course.
4090 and EVGA Kingpin cannot be in the same sentence. Seriously, where you live when don't know EVGA GPU production is dead horse. Please stop beating it.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/18 17:41:49
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So does EVGA Kingpin of course.
4090 and EVGA Kingpin cannot be in the same sentence.
Seriously, where you live when don't know EVGA GPU production is dead horse. Please stop beating it.
It doesn't matter if Kingpin is made or not. I do hope to see the next Kingpin will be made by ASUS replacing its Matrix. Or do you want to see Galaxy dominates?
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 10:07:32
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So does EVGA Kingpin of course.
4090 and EVGA Kingpin cannot be in the same sentence.
Seriously, where you live when don't know EVGA GPU production is dead horse. Please stop beating it.
Of course, only a Prius driver would've tolerate craps like Gigabyte Waterforce 4090. Funny this kind of degeneration of acceptance is what makes EVGA a dead horse.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 10:56:15
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You need to learn couple simple rules before repeatedly embarrassing yourself. - Never create a second post on the same quote, simply edit your first post and add another nonsense.
- Stay away from posting when hallucinate (when I mentioned Waterforce 4090).
- Stop using terms that you do not understand at all.
- EVGA GPU business is a past tense (honoring warranty only)
- There is no or will ever be a 4090 Kingpin card.
- Work hard to identify the border between reality and phantasy.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 11:09:46
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You need to learn couple simple rules before repeatedly embarrassing yourself.- Never create a second post on the same quote, simply edit your first post and add another nonsense.
- Stay away from posting when hallucinate (when I mentioned Waterforce 4090).
- Stop using terms that you do not understand at all.
- EVGA GPU business is a past tense (honoring warranty only)
- There is no or will ever be a 4090 Kingpin card.
- Work hard to identify the border between reality and phantasy.
I remember you are the one who prefers power efficiency over anything like the gimped 4080 which is only as good as a 3090Ti.   It's always these thing that remind me what reality is lol.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 12:07:43
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Gimped 4080 beat a crap outa 3090Ti (20-30%) performance gain, using 300-320W instead 450-500W (40-50%) less power.
Shrinking nodes brought 18 billion transistors, new sets of instructions etc.
In fact, 4080 have great efficiency power wise.
If price isn't ugly, it would be phenomenal card for everyone.
Since the money is not my concern, it is the card I wanted and got.
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Now think about the whole picture.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 12:10:59
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Please watch the personal attacks guys. No need for name calling. Thanks.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 12:31:44
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Gimped 4080 beat a crap outa 3090Ti (20-30%) performance gain, using 300-320W instead 450-500W (40-50%) less power.
Shrinking nodes brought 18 billion transistors, new sets of instructions etc.
In fact, 4080 have great efficiency power wise.
If price isn't ugly, it would be phenomenal card for everyone.
Since the money is not my concern, it is the card I wanted and got.
Now think about the whole picture.
So who is hallucinating? 4080 is only 20% faster than 3090Ti. Better get a 3090Ti right now to overclock it like a 4080 lol.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 12:40:03
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LOL, since 4080 have almost same cooling as 4090 and use way less power, you can bet it will overclock much better than 3090.
Most probably 20% gain will jump to 30% or so.
Your logic is sinking more and more.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 12:50:27
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LOL, since 4080 have almost same cooling as 4090 and use way less power, you can bet it will overclock much better than 3090.
Most probably 20% gain will jump to 30% or so.
Your logic is sinking more and more.
It is always this kind of people who hallucinate enough to talk like they have a 4080 lol. Nobody gives a crap about 4080 that is a mid-tier GPU where you won't OC to anything. Really funny this is what kills EVGA with all the people like this dream to have a Prius level of product lol.
post edited by KarmNelis - 2022/11/19 12:52:26
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 13:13:56
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Sigh!
Stupidity cannot be cured.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/19 13:22:38
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Sigh!
Stupidity cannot be cured.
Blocked.
Ironically the stupidest is the one who is always waiting for a Pirus product. Better show me what you got.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 08:16:09
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This is insane, those memory chips will pop. I have been recently watching some repair videos on youtube and they recommend much lower temps. On my air coolerd 4090 I have max 80C on those mems.
Not only the memory chips will pop. Other components will likely pop too considering Gigabyte 4090 Extreme Waterforce is probably the worst 4090 of all time whose fans go berserk when certain components reach thermal limit. It's really funny that some companies just cut corners and sell a junk in disguise. The thermal pad on this GPU is a straight-up tragedy.   The distance between VRM chips is 2.78mm. The copper plate distance for each type of chip is 3.00mm. The main power delivery chips have 1.5mm thermal pad. So the side chips should have a 1.28mm (1.5mm+2.78mm-3.0mm) thermal pad. There is no conventional 1.28mm thermal pad. This can cause a lot of variations. Who the hell thinks this is a good idea? The actual pad comes off with the plate is 1.20mm short of touch. If using a 1.5mm thermal pad, it also causes less pressure on the memory and core. So you have to hammer down 1.5mm thermal pad close to 1.28mm.   Even all the issues solved around the thermal pads, it is still just a 500W card with limited cooling capacity. It is ironic that a junk like Giga Waterforce and the Strix are sold at the same price.
post edited by KarmNelis - 2022/11/20 08:22:10
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 08:48:17
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I think Gimped is fair, but if you prefer, It was engineered to achieve only a certain level of performance to allow it product placement to perpetuate stagnation 
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 09:24:09
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 09:33:12
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It is cheaply engineered in a way the plate doesn't even cover all the VRMs as the heat dissipation of that plate is less than 500W.
The thermal pad is also uniquely required at 1.28mm.
These Gigabyte engineers don't do proper calculation, they do ill calculation to make core temperature looks good with a risk to burn components elsewhere.
The overall result is the fans hit like a jet due to overheat in the combination of above.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 09:46:11
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Winning combo of power usage, temperature, and performance is all I am looking for
Nobody gives a crap about the gimped 4080 that is only 20% faster than 3090Ti but 40% slower than 4090. You are going to pay same the price for a 4090.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 09:47:27
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 09:51:41
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Blocking prevents post to be displayed.
Funny a post is meant to be seen for everyone else as this guy tried to hijack a 4080 on a 4090 thread.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 11:01:34
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Cannot admire the incompetent design of the plate layout on 4090 Xtreme Waterforce. The part of the upper core VRM isn't even fully covered. It's more like Gigabyte adjusted that part of the PCB upside down but forgot to communicate with the guys who made the copper plate. Then the thermal pad at that part requires a tricky 1.28mm thickness. The thermal pad is usually the thinnest at the end. A lot of things can go wrong with a design like this. 
post edited by KarmNelis - 2022/11/20 17:27:25
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 16:00:08
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There is always a way to be confident about 100C components with a 4-year warranty, or even up to 5 year while the actual good GPU has as high as 60C without warranty. 
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 16:47:06
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I swore off anything GIGA after the exploding GPU debacle
And not caring what 4080 Drag wants, Nobody cares, j.s.
Asus with the most coil whine complaints, That leaves the MSI for me
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 17:34:50
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I swore off anything GIGA after the exploding GPU debacle
And not caring what 4080 Drag wants, Nobody cares, j.s.
Asus with the most coil whine complaints, That leaves the MSI for me
Good choice. FE was elusive so picked up MSI Ventus 3xOC 
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/20 17:49:49
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That's why ASUS has one of the best 4090.
People have nothing left to complain but coil whine which is a lottery regardless of the quality.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/21 08:48:56
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That's why ASUS has one of the best 4090.
People have nothing left to complain but coil whine which is a lottery regardless of the quality.Â
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I had the 1599 tuff in my cart on launch day and decided to wait it out, EK block is larger for the MSI. Hope we see some restocking before Christmas. The 1799 Tuff and 1999 Strix are just stupidly priced. Certainly looks like Binning won't get you a thing with how the voltage is locked down. If I saw a 1599 tuff, I might get it and change out the EK block order for the Asus.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/25 14:34:12
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The core on Gigabyte 4090 Extreme Waterforce is binned the worst as well.
3000Mhz at 1.035V and that's it. 1.035V-1.100V is completely wasted. Even another 30Mhz at 1.100V will crash this card completely.
Basically Gigabyte combines the AIO of the worst thermal design in disguise with the worsts binned core to sell for a profit.
I haven't seen a premium card rotten in this degree.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/27 00:41:53
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Doesn't seem to be much difference with models anymore regardless. Hardware Unboxed tested both the MSI Gaming and MSI Suprim variants and found zero difference in clocks or performance between them.
 Have water, will cool.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/27 12:14:28
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Doesn't seem to be much difference with models anymore regardless. Hardware Unboxed tested both the MSI Gaming and MSI Suprim variants and found zero difference in clocks or performance between them.
All the variations seem to be within 1 to 3 boost bins of each other and where they land under load all with 1% variation, definably not worth the 400$ Asus want for the strix
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