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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 07:11:36
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I want to get a rtx4090 MSI SUPRIM X, but there is no stock currently, been waiting for stock since 15th Oct, still nothing. But there plenty of other AIB cards like colorful/ZOTAC etc which I doubt anyone would want them ...
The rtx4090 Asus Rog Strix is available in my region, near MSRP, should I get it? is it worth it?
That one is very expensive, if you have to have one now, go for it, I'm ok with waiting, we are still very early in this , More info on AMD is going to get released today too.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 09:33:48
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It really depends on your rig, your skills, and how meticulous you are.
Any choices for the most part will more or less be equal to the others.
For what I did with my rig, it could only be done with the FE series due to an SFF case and trying to shoehorn two gpus in there. However I did consider the MSI water-cooled as an alternative if I had hit a roadblock.
I've owned other versions and found some of the AIB builds to be a little "cheesy" and questionable on the stable vs unstable clocks. I actually did not go through that with the 4090s but did experiment with the 3090 series.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 14:51:26
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It seems Strix is among the few that can be connected up to 5 displays.
I need another 4K monitor soon which can saturate all the ports available.
And VRAM is already well above 5GB in idle with just 4 monitors connected so 24GB is essential.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 20:38:40
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The best. 
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 21:17:24
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Yeh Ximin
I want to get a rtx4090 MSI SUPRIM X, but there is no stock currently, been waiting for stock since 15th Oct, still nothing. But there plenty of other AIB cards like colorful/ZOTAC etc which I doubt anyone would want them ...
The rtx4090 Asus Rog Strix is available in my region, near MSRP, should I get it? is it worth it?
That one is very expensive, if you have to have one now, go for it, I'm ok with waiting, we are still very early in this , More info on AMD is going to get released today too.
kraade
Yeh Ximin
I want to get a rtx4090 MSI SUPRIM X, but there is no stock currently, been waiting for stock since 15th Oct, still nothing. But there plenty of other AIB cards like colorful/ZOTAC etc which I doubt anyone would want them ...
The rtx4090 Asus Rog Strix is available in my region, near MSRP, should I get it? is it worth it?
That one is very expensive, if you have to have one now, go for it, I'm ok with waiting, we are still very early in this , More info on AMD is going to get released today too.
I would wait for the MSI Suprim X Liquid
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 21:17:51
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The best.
Yea I really wish I could get my hands on one of those. I could def be in the top 3 then. Best I could do was 4th place.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 22:21:54
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The best.
Galax should've done whatever it wants since Kingpin is gone. There is no competition. It would be perfect if Galax stretch a little bit to use 3 16pin connectors which can go up to 1,800W. A card like this uses two power supplies anyway.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/03 22:53:21
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Warranty doesn't matter that much. Some of the cheapest card like Zotac with 450W VRM has a 5-year warranty in certain regions. Nobody offers a 5-year warranty in North America. Prove me wrong, I've looked long and hard and would be happy to be wrong. Gigabyte is the only vendor that offers four years, and that is a new thing because not even their Ampere cards had that. Second, if you think a warranty doesn't matter much... do you even buy $1600+ cards? KarmNelisIf a card is built top of the line, it won't have issues even without warranty. I've had an EVGA Titan Black Hydro blow a choke just barely outside its two year warranty. That sure as heck wasn't a cheap card, but since I'd won it in EVGA's scavenger hunt I never made a big fuss out of it. But Buildzoid from AHOC had called out EVGA on the VRAM choke design on that graphics card since day one... and irony was it was that very same VRAM choke that blew on my card, voltage spiking the VRAM as it blew. I never OC'd the VRAM on that card either, only the core. Manufacturers don't always get the designs right even when they are built right. If you want to play Russian roulette with $2k on a GPU that's up to you, but I certainly don't care to do so. Especially since I use my GPU for literally everything, when not gaming it's crunching, mining, diffusing, or folding. Warranty will always be number one for me because of how damn much cards cost now.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/04 00:20:42
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KarmNelis
Warranty doesn't matter that much. Some of the cheapest card like Zotac with 450W VRM has a 5-year warranty in certain regions.
Nobody offers a 5-year warranty in North America. Prove me wrong, I've looked long and hard and would be happy to be wrong. Gigabyte is the only vendor that offers four years, and that is a new thing because not even their Ampere cards had that.
Second, if you think a warranty doesn't matter much... do you even buy $1600+ cards?
KarmNelisIf a card is built top of the line, it won't have issues even without warranty.
I've had an EVGA Titan Black Hydro blow a choke just barely outside its two year warranty. That sure as heck wasn't a cheap card, but since I'd won it in EVGA's scavenger hunt I never made a big fuss out of it. But Buildzoid from AHOC had called out EVGA on the VRAM choke design on that graphics card since day one... and irony was it was that very same VRAM choke that blew on my card, voltage spiking the VRAM as it blew. I never OC'd the VRAM on that card either, only the core. Manufacturers don't always get the designs right even when they are built right. If you want to play Russian roulette with $2k on a GPU that's up to you, but I certainly don't care to do so. Especially since I use my GPU for literally everything, when not gaming it's crunching, mining, diffusing, or folding. Warranty will always be number one for me because of how damn much cards cost now.
All the reason I ask what is the best. If it is actually built top of the line, most components and designs have been tested thoroughly. The only card I have an issue with is one of the cheap made Giga G1 980s where the fan not spinning fast. Giga has the warranty, they made it cheap though. Some of my $1600+ Ti cards are the ASUS from other regions without warranty. They are bought expensive, they can still be sold expensive too compared to the cheap version. A card has at least some warranty unless you put it into a mining shaft. The way we play the cards with all the shunt mod, BIOS flashing to have extra power and voltage dance with the warranty.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/04 04:12:18
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/04 08:20:54
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I would be utterly shocked if they ever sell HOF through an american retailer. You'll need to go the Asia, Oceania, Europe route to proxy a HOF in to the states
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/04 12:41:53
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I would be utterly shocked if they ever sell HOF through an american retailer. You'll need to go the Asia, Oceania, Europe route to proxy a HOF in to the states
Not exactly true. I’ve seem them listed on the second link I posted.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/04 15:11:36
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What Sajin said, Galax will sell to US consumers via its own personal website store, and indirectly elsewhere. Warranty/RMA issues will be an expensive nightmare though. The 4090 HOF probably won't be listed on their store for another six months minimum, it's always been a low volume boutique card.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 14:34:35
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Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 16:24:46
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Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
Aye, it's strange how so many have AIO hybrids but nobody has pure waterblock models yet. Though I won't be buying anything anyway until NVIDIA fully fixes their slagging cable disaster. Might just go 7900XTX anyway if it's good enough since it's half the cost. With EVGA out of the market I've never been more tempted to do so.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 16:40:56
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Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
Yes, I had one in my basket, but power usage (450W+) makes me not to buy, will wait 4080 as 340W seems more reasonable. Glad to see 4090 available in stores.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 16:42:44
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flyinion
Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
Aye, it's strange how so many have AIO hybrids but nobody has pure waterblock models yet. Though I won't be buying anything anyway until NVIDIA fully fixes their slagging cable disaster. Might just go 7900XTX anyway if it's good enough since it's half the cost. With EVGA out of the market I've never been more tempted to do so.
Yeah I need to see comparisons first, but I am definitely considering the XTX. I was after the 4090 for VR use so it's gonna depend mostly on the rasterization performance difference between the 4090, 4080, and 7900XTX.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 19:50:08
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4080 is a No. From the leaked benchmark that card is shrunken as fast as a 3090Ti. Just buy a 3090Ti then you can have the similar performance plus 24GB instead of 16GB.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 19:53:37
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Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
Yeah, that's an artifact/bug - they're not really in stock (I tried for about 30 minutes, and when checking out it just says out of stock).
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 22:45:58
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The best one is right here: EVGA 'not' 4090...
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/07 23:12:15
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flyinion
Man Newegg is sitting on in stock Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce cards this afternoon (the 360 rad AIO one). Really don't want to pay a $300 premium for something that I'm going to have to rip off to put an open loop block on, so I guess I wait some more.
Yeah, that's an artifact/bug - they're not really in stock (I tried for about 30 minutes, and when checking out it just says out of stock).
Maybe they were temporarily in stock and the website bugged out updating. They're not showing now, but NVIDIA RTX 4090 Series In Stock Tracker - NowInStock.net hasn't updated that it's now out of stock.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 01:21:11
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But Giga Waterforce might have the worst performance among the premium cards. It's only a 500W card. The VRM is probably the worst too.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 06:30:09
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OP definition of the best is: - power usage monster
- heat reactor
- noise generator
- bulky size
- stability hiccup
All that for not noticeable performance gain. Best 4090 is just opposite from your definition: - lowest power usage
- small heat output
- quiet/efficient fans
- smallest size
- rock stable
From all reviews, FE is absolutely the best combination considering price, noise, thermals, stability, but unfortunately availability is a major problem.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 06:41:29
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OP definition of the best is:
- power usage monster
- heat reactor
- noise generator
- bulky size
- stability hiccup
All that for not noticeable performance gain.
Best 4090 is just opposite from your definition:
- lowest power usage
- small heat output
- quiet/efficient fans
- smallest size
- rock stable
From all reviews, FE is absolutely the best combination considering price, noise, thermals, stability, but unfortunately availability is a major problem.
That's why I like Kingpin. The performance is definitely noticeable. You put a full waterblock on it. Your list of worries is gone. Complaining about power usage is like paying a Tesla but cannot afford the electricity.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 07:12:26
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That's why I like Kingpin. The performance is definitely noticeable.
You put a full waterblock on it. Your list of worries is gone.
Complaining about power usage is like paying a Tesla but cannot afford the electricity.
Human eye can't notice several percent fps difference. Most of the power usage transfer to heat, so it is not about electricity bill, but dealing with extra heat. That means more fan rpm, more noise etc... When the temperature of the transistor increases, some of the covalent bonds may be broken, giving rise to additional number of free electrons and holes. As a result of it, the current in a transistor will increase One of the characteristics of transistors and other semiconductor devices is that the electrical characteristics are very sensitive to temperature.And 4090 has 76.3 billion transistors...
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 07:41:57
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KarmNelis
That's why I like Kingpin. The performance is definitely noticeable.
You put a full waterblock on it. Your list of worries is gone.
Complaining about power usage is like paying a Tesla but cannot afford the electricity.
Human eye can't notice several percent fps difference.
Most of the power usage transfer to heat, so it is not about electricity bill, but dealing with extra heat. That means more fan rpm, more noise etc...
When the temperature of the transistor increases, some of the covalent bonds may be broken, giving rise to additional number of free electrons and holes. As a result of it, the current in a transistor will increase
One of the characteristics of transistors and other semiconductor devices is that the electrical characteristics are very sensitive to temperature.
And 4090 has 76.3 billion transistors...
Then Kinpin must've created the worst GPUs of all time lol. Do the math. 10% of performance boost from 200fps is not several fps. You can get even more considering every other component in the computer is top notch. Your inability to afford a better cooling card is your problem. This is different from a card that can output more power.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 07:53:07
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Then Kinpin must've created the worst GPUs of all time lol.
My bad, have no idea that you have Kingpin 4090! Oh wait... On a serious note: Try to understand my point, not to defend undefendable.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 08:01:53
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I do miss the old days. Now this forum is full of Prius users.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 08:24:57
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My last reply to you.
Could you please explain how you noticed difference from 200 to 220 fps
In fact, I own Q50 (3.7L, 330HP, 9K rpm) so another miss.
Thread title and Kingpin have absolutely nothing in touch as there is no Kingpin 4090.
My inability to afford a better cooling?
Heh, decade ago I spent a fortune on overclocking, having a dual water loop and keeping some top scores for CPU and GPU.
Gues you were still in elementary school while Mad Onion/Futuremark ruled the overclocking in general.
So long kiddo.
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Re: The best 4090?
2022/11/09 08:52:46
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My last reply to you.
Could you please explain how you noticed difference from 200 to 220 fps
In fact, I own Q50 (3.7L, 330HP, 9K rpm) so another miss.
Thread title and Kingpin have absolutely nothing in touch as there is no Kingpin 4090.
My inability to afford a better cooling?
Heh, decade ago I spent a fortune on overclocking, having a dual water loop and keeping some top scores for CPU and GPU.
Gues you were still in elementary school while Mad Onion/Futuremark ruled the overclocking in general.
So long kiddo.
Human eyes can notice a lot differences between different frame rates. Speaking like this only reveals that your monitor isn't even up to the task to display every frame. You should've kept the cooling solution knowing that temperature can be controlled even at 1000W lol. Anyway, the best thing is about the peak performance. Don't shoot yourself in the own foot. You might just be the few Q50 drivers complaining fuel consumption after driving a Ferrier.
CPU - Intel 8700K - 5.1GHz core, 5.0GHz cache, 1.37v GPU - EVGA FTW3 1080Ti SLI - 2.0GHz core, 12GHz memory Motherboard - Asus Maximus X Hero Memory - Corsair Dominator 4x16GB - 3000MHz default XMP 15-17-17-35PSU - EVGA 1600T2Fire Strike 36838 Extreme 25250 Ultra 14464
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