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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/06 19:05:54 (permalink)
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The thing is if you guys can respond of how many people have had problems once they either added the correct standoffs or ordered with the standoffs already in place from ek . Also how many have not had problems after the stand off update from ek . I want to watercool the card but still after reading the whole 22 page form am still worried . The fact that ek added the standoff but did not admit doing anything wrong is not a good sign . either they messed up or did it for the reason that it will make people less worried to buy the waterblock even though ek knowing the standoff change has no effect. Others have had problems with other blocks but not as many as EK . I wanted a corsair waterblock but they havent made one for the Evga cards . Evga cards seem to be one of the most sold 3 series that you can get your hands on during this time . The fact that Corsair chose to make a MSi waterblock really says somthing . Now i guess the only thing to do is wait for Corsair to make a waterblock for the ftw3090 or maybe Evga will make one but who knows . Really dont want to take a chance on Ek  then have somthing go wrong to then get a refurb 3090 when i have a new one .


I wouldn't hold my breath for anyone else to try and compete with a block for the FTW3.  As well as EK...Bitspower, Bykski & Optimus already do.  I haven't really been staying on top of what Corsair do, but I've never seen any GPU block from Corsair for anything other than the reference cards so I'm not sure where you get the idea that they chose to target any particular brand of card over others?

I'm still to see anyone post a pic of the larger standoffs having caused damage, so it's not quite a closed case until then, IMO.  It could simply be explained by EK having the majority of the market share and the problem being inherent to the EVGA design.  But the more time that passes with no-one reporting the problem with the smaller standoffs the more it looks like that was the problem, eh?
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/07 12:26:34 (permalink)
Is there a particular temp reading I should be looking at to see if I'm having issues (and if so what temp/degrees would be a problem?) or is the only way to take it apart and see if there's damage on the board?
 
I ordered my waterblock back in nov so its definitely old, I've been using it from about march since they were backordered longer than expected and I had gone back to work, took forever to build.
 
BUT I have not put this card to heavy use yet though, I played about an hour of metro exodus and that's it, I have not played any other games and have only turned it on for office use here and there the past few months, so I'm worried the problem hasn't presented itself since it hasn't spent much time hot.
 
Or would it have burnt out at idle temps if there was an issue?
 
(side note, I'm having some corrosion in my quantum magnitude cpu block which I just contacted them for. Pretty disappointing for a $230 cpu block since I used their coolant and parts).
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/07 12:41:01 (permalink)
Should I replace my standoffs despite not having any issue with my card?  I received my WB in Feb...
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/07 14:53:41 (permalink)
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Should I replace my standoffs despite not having any issue with my card?  I received my WB in Feb...


If it is working since Feb why change it and I had mine on since mid-January and no problems at all.

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/08 07:09:07 (permalink)
Yes am thinking of the same seeing if people have problems with the new standoff but thats gonna take alot of time , and yes corsair makes 3000 series blocks for the asus strix cards , founders , reference, and even msi which is weird for them not including Evga water blocks especially seeing how evga is pumping out more cards then asus and msi . Not to mention Evga and Asus are one of the more popular third party cards
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/08 08:11:38 (permalink)
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Should I replace my standoffs despite not having any issue with my card?  I received my WB in Feb...


If I was in your situation I would contact EK & receive the revised standoffs while the situation is current & if you ever need to remove the block to replace the TIM for example simply install the revised standoffs then. Also if you ever sell the block & you have an informed buyer they will want the block to have the revised standoffs for sure.

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/09 08:06:09 (permalink)
So my revised standoffs arrived yesterday so I figured I would notate the changes.
 
The original standoffs are .236"/6mm in diameter and the revised standoffs are .177"/4.5mm in diameter.
 
 

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/09 08:15:55 (permalink)
And here's the answer to my question from like a week ago. The existing standoffs unscrew very easily.
 
 

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/11 10:53:23 (permalink)
On my third card I measured from the centreline of the hole in the PCB and the nearest component on the board and it's 3mm.  Given the wiggle-room provided by not precisely locating the PCB to the cooler (the EVGA air cooler does, at one corner) it will hit for some people when using the 6mm standoffs and won't for others.  I'm not saying that I know this is what bricks the cards, but I can't see how it's anything other than an obvious error on EK's part...or EVGA changed the PCB layout in more ways than moving the VRAM modules and changing the capacitor types?
 
https://imgur.com/DXPtkb1

 

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/11 16:27:22 (permalink)
So I have the same issue with my Kinpin 3090 and the Kingpin 3090 Waterblock.
The motherboard says Error 97 and then LOAD GPU BIOS and hangs there. 
 
I have tried removing the block and checking each step twice but everything looks clean to me. 
I am running out of ideas on how to fix this....
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/11 20:27:45 (permalink)
Wow! Very interesting to say the least.
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/12 02:24:28 (permalink)
wow sorry to hear that but that problem that you are having with the Evga 3090 kingpin block the watercooling block that evga sells themselves may shed some truth on the Ek statement of them saying it was the cards pcb being weak and the card being bricked while taking the stock cooler off . Unless Evga didnt have enough of a gap in there kingpin  block and that caused contact that shorted somthing out  but i doubt that. The 3090 kingpin does infact use thermal putty as well could the thermal putty really be the route cause forcing users to exsert more force then then normal while taking the stock cooler off putting extra strain on a weak pcb or noraml pcb and bricking the card that way . What i would like to know is if you run the hard at high temps and let that putty become softer then take it off solve that problem as others have said in the form . But regardless it does seem that Ek might have been correct ....
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/12 06:04:00 (permalink)
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wow sorry to hear that but that problem that you are having with the Evga 3090 kingpin block the watercooling block that evga sells themselves may shed some truth on the Ek statement of them saying it was the cards pcb being weak and the card being bricked while taking the stock cooler off . Unless Evga didnt have enough of a gap in there kingpin  block and that caused contact that shorted somthing out  but i doubt that. The 3090 kingpin does infact use thermal putty as well could the thermal putty really be the route cause forcing users to exsert more force then then normal while taking the stock cooler off putting extra strain on a weak pcb or noraml pcb and bricking the card that way . What i would like to know is if you run the hard at high temps and let that putty become softer then take it off solve that problem as others have said in the form . But regardless it does seem that Ek might have been correct ....


This has been mentioned once before. It is recommended that you stress test the card before disassembly so as to warm up the paste and pads. From doing that the heat spreader should be a little easier to remove and not flex the pcb as much. This is a topic of concern along with these standoffs as to why so many ftw3s are bricking when installing the waterblock. 

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/13 06:46:01 (permalink)
Found this on youtube talk about pcb bend took a screen shot after the snap sound offf
post edited by 0341motormen1 - 2021/07/13 07:01:20

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/13 07:01:55 (permalink)
Waterblocked my 3080ti last night, running tubes now. I stress tested for 2 hours getting up to 75°c before removing block. I didn't pry away from stock cooler, more like a lateral motion..very gingerly. Once the seal of the paste was "broke" it came off easily. Upon inspecting the pads used had the consistency of sand. Ill report back once tubes run
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/13 07:49:47 (permalink)
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Found this on youtube talk about pcb bend took a screen shot after the snap sound offf


That's one hell of a screencap & CLEARLY NOT how you should be separating the card from the HSF. I would always suggest going top to bottom because you are spread the force across a wider & shorter area so the mechanical leverage is far less. IMO that's abuse & the fault of the person removing the HSF.

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/13 21:47:49 (permalink)
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Found this on youtube talk about pcb bend took a screen shot after the snap sound offf


Hopefully more people aren't now going to assume that those of us who have had problems are as stupid as the guy in the video.  The number of people who didn't have a problem that are assuming that the difference between success and failure has to be the care that they took is already annoying.

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Waterblocked my 3080ti last night, running tubes now. I stress tested for 2 hours getting up to 75°c before removing block. I didn't pry away from stock cooler, more like a lateral motion..very gingerly. Once the seal of the paste was "broke" it came off easily. Upon inspecting the pads used had the consistency of sand. Ill report back once tubes run


Hope it goes well for you.  Were the lower three standoffs 6mm or the revised 4.5mm versions?

Sounds like you are mistaking the heat sink putty for pads?
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/13 22:08:00 (permalink)
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Found this on youtube talk about pcb bend took a screen shot after the snap sound offf

 ^^^ That's abuse! {and not very bright} 


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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/14 01:41:36 (permalink)

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/14 01:45:56 (permalink)
yes thats a very bad way to pull apart a card ,and kinda not smart to post that here but i was so shocked clearly this guy didnt know  what he was doing and not a enthusiast like us . But companies will say whatever they want to not be at fault regardless .
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/14 01:47:57 (permalink)
Glad it went well for you which block did you use and what model of 3080ti do you have is it a ftw ?
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/14 02:55:23 (permalink)
 Were the lower three standoffs 6mm or the revised 4.5mm versions?

Time to get accurate with our descriptions, too many people reading this.
The revised standoffs are smaller in diameter.
Lower or shorter refers to its length. The replaced standoffs are the same length or height as the originals.
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/14 03:48:05 (permalink)
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 Were the lower three standoffs 6mm or the revised 4.5mm versions?

Time to get accurate with our descriptions, too many people reading this.
The revised standoffs are smaller in diameter.
Lower or shorter refers to its length. The replaced standoffs are the same length or height as the originals.


"lower three", not "three lower".

In this case "lower" was referring to their location on the PCB. Savvy?


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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/15 05:37:32 (permalink)
So would you guys recommend i split the card, completely, maybe repaste it or whatever then reassemble it with stock cooler and run it for a while before bothering with a waterblock?

I really want to block it (this is the longest in about 10 years ive gone with a PC upgrade and kept it on air!), i even thought about picking up a Bykski block and skipping EK but then seen a few people mentions seemingly people have had issues just disassembling and reassembling the stock cooler too...(true?).

What is the absolute best way to pull it apart? Apart from just head soaking it? Anyone tried keeping a heatgun on low (enough to keep it hot but not burn/melt anything) while they pull it apart? Maybe keep the PCB flat on the table and try to twist/wiggle the HSF off thus avoiding PCB bend as much as possible?

Kinda sold my up old 1080Ti before i heard about this bricking issue so really don't want to kill the card and be without one for god knows how long down here in Australia
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/15 07:24:07 (permalink)
I know how long (from Melbourne) - 8 days if you ship via DHL.  I've sent two, they turn it around in Taiwan in about 24 hours.

I've taken the stock cooler off three FTW3 Ultras.  The first one I didn't test until afterwards so I don't know if it worked after simply removing the stock cooler.
The second just about fell apart as I'd been benchmarking for 40 minutes before taking it off and after refitting the stock cooler I booted it once.
Both there first two cards died were dead immediately after fitting the EK block.
The third card was just as easy to get the stock cooler off and is still running on air in a spare rig, smashing 103.4 mh/s all day every day with new thermal pads everywhere as the RMA cards both had the pads fitted very poorly.  It was ok for gaming, but was a dog to try and mine with.
 
I have three of the narrower standoffs for my GPU block now, but I want to thoroughly test the card on air so there's no doubt about what killed it if it dies after fitting the GPU block.

So yes, I would recommend that you refit the original cooler and use it for a while before trying to fit the block.  I can't remember, but I think it was 1mm thermal pads needed to replace the thermal putty used in two places.
 
It takes so little time to get the stock cooler off that I wouldn't bother with the heat gun but it wouldn't hurt to have it there it seems like you might need it. Set to 110c or so?.  I used a plastic pry between the pcie connector on the card and the stock cooler.

I ran on air for six months waiting for the EK block to be released, so I share your pain!
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/16 23:07:43 (permalink)
Ok good info, thanks!

I just realized that PLE has Bykski blocks (and other bykski gear) on their site and instock. Its funny cause thats actually where i got a 3080 FTW3 Ultra from and never even noticed they had Bykski stuff 
I was looking for some new soft tube (last 3-4 builds have been hardline and i thought screw it, i'm going back to the simpler soft tube, i kinda miss the look of that big fat 13/19mm thick wall tube too) and they're really one of the only places selling such large soft tube (Mayhems ultra clear).

Started clicking around and found they have the Bykski FTW3 3080/3090 block with backplate in stock for $179 (as opposed to what $279 + more for the backplate from EK) And I've heard the bykski blocks perform super well too. Having not really seen any posts about other blocks (optimus, alphacool, bykski, etc) killing cards (That "could" be from just a lower amount of people actually buying them?), and i was kinda leaning toward buying a Bykski block from AliExpress (for virtually same money, plus postage of like 2-3 weeks....), i think i'm going to continue my trend of NOT using EK blocks at all (Fine with their other gear but idk seems like every time i need to buy a block they're having some sort of issue) and go with the Bykski (last time on my 1080ti i used a Phanteks block which was great and cheaper rather than EK)
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/17 13:19:03 (permalink)
Didn't read over this to much, but are you using an extender for your riser?  May not be the card.

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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/19 06:38:36 (permalink)

Hope it goes well for you.  Were the lower three standoffs 6mm or the revised 4.5mm versions?

Sounds like you are mistaking the heat sink putty for pads?


No, not just the heat sink putty, it was on the vram among other things. But, it works great. And yes, used the revised standoffs
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/19 21:28:25 (permalink)
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No, not just the heat sink putty, it was on the vram among other things. But, it works great. And yes, used the revised standoffs

I wonder if that's perhaps a 3080ti thing.  Sounds kind of weird!
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Re: RTX 3090 EVGA FTW 3 - Ekwb Waterblock install - Not booting 2021/07/20 06:21:32 (permalink)
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No, not just the heat sink putty, it was on the vram among other things. But, it works great. And yes, used the revised standoffs

I wonder if that's perhaps a 3080ti thing.  Sounds kind of weird!


Dunno, wish I had taken a picture of it
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