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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/11 12:05:44
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you should be able to pull the impeller out completely. should only be held by magnetism.
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/11 12:57:43
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Now thats what I call watercooling !
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/19 10:56:00
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Thanks! we inspire you to try it out
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/21 21:55:16
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Geezus, do you run a dehumidifier? i run 2 in my basement with my computer parts, and can take out like 5gallons of water from the air each day np. Could then just use that water again i suppose :P
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/23 11:05:20
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The bong vents cool air from the outside, and blows the warmer moist air outside. This works fine for now while the weather is still cool. During the summer months, the intake ducts will be removed and the air will be cool air conditioned interior air, and still vented moist air outside. And yes, that is not a bad idea to re-use that water. It is essentially distilled water right? ;)
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/23 14:51:17
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first time I've seen and heard about such a setup, I have to say very clever, and impressive temps. well done +1. I would try that myself, but my wife would probably kill me when I put this beast in our pc room, she nearly did when I powered on the 1hp SS phase for the first time :)
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/23 19:16:23
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yea, but this takes almost NO power to run ;) I am sure the wife would much rather the electric bill be from a water pump then a 1HP compressor Welcome to the forums!
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/23 19:52:55
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Man thats awsome cade great work
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Re:My 7' tall Evaporative Cooler
2010/03/23 20:00:21
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/24 14:51:38
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nate, It looks like what you need is to atomize the water stream. Maybe a plant mister will work. Here's one: http://www.dripirrigation...fo.php?products_id=378 The flow rate is 6 to 9 gallons per hour but the pressure might be a problem. IDK just trying to help. Good luck! IC
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/24 15:22:39
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if it is too fine, it will end up blowing out of the pipe. The water needs to be in droplet form. Plus it would would probably put lots of pressure on the pump(s)? Speculation of course
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/24 17:25:54
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Thank you Nateman, thank you very much  . And thanks mod for the BR! @ i_cruz, I have a mister I purchased a couple of weeks ago. It is actually made to attach to a regular water hose, I just haven't gotten around to finding an adaptor yet. I'm pretty sure it will bog down the pumps but I will give it a shot anyway when I get a chance.
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/25 03:06:00
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Glad the BR gods have smiled down upon you. Let me know if that mister works, I'll try anything.
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/25 06:34:58
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nateman_doo Let me know if that mister works, I'll try anything. Will do. I bought some fiberglass screen material and covered the shower head and also stuffed some into the bong to try and break up the water a little more and hopefully cause it to evaporate a little better. I will see what temps are doing when I get home from work. Judging from last night I don't think it is going to do a whole lot. I have a growing list of things that don't work but, like you said, I will give anything a shot.
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/25 07:19:42
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You should write your list of things that don't work. I know that I am happy with the tower all together. It is superior to traditional ambient radiator cooling, at the cost of constant refilling. I could write up a list of the pro's and con's if I felt so inclined to do so.
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Re:My 7' tall BONG COOLER
2010/03/27 15:08:39
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Ok the mister seemed to make things hotter lol. When I removed it I didn't power down the computer, just disconnected the pumps, and temps dropped for a minute lol. I think the mister basically slowed the water flow to barely more than a standstill and when I disconnected the pumps, back flow brought cooler water back to the blocks. The screens didn't help either. So, for tower cooling it seems we need high flowing blocks and good pumping to maintain adequate water flow through a lot of hose and a substantial portion of it straight up hill and the more airspace to evap in the better.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/29 13:40:38
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Excellent idea you have going. I have not read every page so maybe an idea I have has already been tried. Has been an excellent read so far though. I was thinking about using some sprinkler heads. You can get them that spray 360 degrees and will flow at 1-2 gallons a minute. THis should not load up your pump to much especially if you can place more than one. You can get just the heads and an adapter pretty cheap to screw into 1/2 npt. THis will give you a very good atomization and cool well. Also have you considered using a metal pipe of some sort? Using a metal pipe would turn the whole column into a giant heatsink so any water that misted to the sides will be cooled as it runs down the length of pipe. I was debating trying a similar idea before I saw this thread but instead was going to make more of a heat exchanger. Basically taking a length of pipe like you have and running a coil of copper pipe down the middle. Then flowing the coolant for the computer through that and circulating water down the pipe from the top. This would keep the cooling circuit closed and eliminate contamination and but also achieve good cooling. With the latter you could add a few sprayers at different heights to put more water on the coil of pipes. As far as sub ambeint temps you won't be able to achieve that through just evaporation alone. You would need some sort of phase help but you could get it to ambient. From what your wife posted I guess you were using some window shakers before and to get sub ambient you would need to utuilize one again. I think if you could submerge the evaporator coil in the bottom tub and get the water down to a fairly low temp then you could keep your whole system very cold bordering on needing to insulate the board from condensation. Interesting project to be sure keep up the good work with it. Really like to cpu block you made I have been pondering schemes on how to make one cheaply and I think something like that would work well.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/29 19:17:41
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Gilda... welcome to the forums!! We bongers are privileged to have your first post in the forums!! The metal pipe idea was thought of, but it would cost a small fortune. The cpu block is a good project! you should try it and post some pictures of everything you do.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/29 21:30:14
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nateman_doo Gilda... welcome to the forums!! We bongers are privileged to have your first post in the forums!! +1 !!! It's fun to experiment with this stuff and like Nate said post up some pics of whatever you try. Welcome!
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 12:35:08
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Figured that mister would hold up the whole process.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 14:07:29
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Yeah something like sprinkler heads might do better but not directional enough I imagine, at least for pvc since it won't act like a heatsink. I am gonna change my res tonight and have a much shorter connection to the pump, hoping to solve an issue with flow gradually slowing down. I will post some pics if it proves worthy of such.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 15:54:31
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I work at a fire protection place - I've got access to tons of sprinklers just hanging out on designer's desks. I asked one of my designers about some sprinkler head specs - 1/2" thread with what would be considered low flow for them ( K-Factor in Fire Protection lingo). There are a few sprinklers that might meet the requirements, but the designer I asked said they would put out very large droplets of water in comparison to a shower head. First up with a K-Factor of 1.8 would be Victaulic's window sprinklers (model #s V1001, V1003, V1005, V1007, V1009, V1011 , V1013). Unfortunately, they put out a fan-shaped spray and are designed to be a water curtain. Using them in a bong cooler wouldnt work too well, I dont think. Second up is again from Victaulic - the 2.8 K Factor FireLock Small Orifice sprinkler (Model #s V2701, V2702, V2705 and V2706). Minimum operating PSI is 7 and max is 175; for comparison the MCP355 will do 22 PSI, the MCP655 will do 50 PSI, and an Iwaki RD-30 will do 14 PSI (?). All's good so far, right? Nope - along with PSI, there is a needed flow and this is where everything tanks. At 7 PSI, a minimum of 7.5 GPM is needed; the MCP355 does a measly 2 GPM, MCP655 only does 5.28333 GPM, and Iwaki RD-30 does only 5.3 GPM. This only gets worse as the pump PSI increases - if at max PSI output for the MCP655 (50 PSI), a flow of 19.8 GPM is necessary. Lastly The Reliable Automatic Fire Sprinkler Co.'s offerings; the F1 and the Model G sprinklers. These, unfortunately, have the same problems as the FireLock sprinklers above. There pretty much isnt any data listed, but we work most often with these sprinklers and the designers know the specs by heart. The one designer I talked to said it will produce fat droplets or a conical sheet of water. All of these sprinklers are meant to be fed from either a 3/4" or 1" line @ ~60 PSI. The water cooling community's regular pumps and tube sizes just cant get enough water to a sprinkler head fast enough for it to work for a bong cooler. ~Fus
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 16:28:26
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Wow, thanks Fiius for taking the time to check these things out. VERY helpful info there! Much appreciated!
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 18:09:18
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Hi Nate, Nice cooling mod. I gotta give you props on creative cooling as this thread has been an interesting read. My question is, is the upright length of pipe made out of PVC? And has anyone tried swapping it with a very thin walled metallic pipe? Inside your house, metal is much cooler to the touch than a plastic is. Hence, in this case, a metallic chamber has a better potential of lowering the water temperature coming out of the bottom of the stack. Perhaps the difference would be marginal, but the ultimate goal here is to reduce the water temps as much as possible. If this has been tried and tested before, kindly dismiss my perspective on this theory. Keep the overclocking spirit alive guys! :)
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/30 18:46:46
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Even if you got a Schedule 10 walled pipe, once you get to above a 3" diameter, the pipe gets freakin heavy. See link for weight per foot of pipe. What pipe diameter are you guys using for your bong coolers? I would say it isnt worth the added cost and weight to go metal over PVC pipe. The more important thing, I would think, would be airflow and getting smaller droplets of water. ~Fus
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/31 05:19:42
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Schedule 10 is overkill, I agree that will be too heavy. What I was referring to was slip-joint, heat duct pipe, made from 18 -22 gauge sheet metal. This is probably lighter than PVC at the same diameter, and may even be cheaper. Easily found @ Lowe's or Home Depot. Diameter sizes start from 3" up to 24", in one inch increments with an assortment of branches, tees, diverters, side gates etc. Thin metal is what you want because it can 'air cool' more effeciently than plastic. This works best if the water mist came in contact with the inside wall.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/31 06:27:45
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daveyd007 Hi Nate, Nice cooling mod. I gotta give you props on creative cooling as this thread has been an interesting read. My question is, is the upright length of pipe made out of PVC? And has anyone tried swapping it with a very thin walled metallic pipe? Inside your house, metal is much cooler to the touch than a plastic is. Hence, in this case, a metallic chamber has a better potential of lowering the water temperature coming out of the bottom of the stack. Perhaps the difference would be marginal, but the ultimate goal here is to reduce the water temps as much as possible. If this has been tried and tested before, kindly dismiss my perspective on this theory. Keep the overclocking spirit alive guys! :) We have tossed the idea around but no one has tried a before and after. I can't take credit for the initial idea, they have been floating around on various forums for years. I like the metal idea, and my shower head gets ALL the water down the sides of the PVC pipe. I just haven't thought too much about changing it (yet)
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower
2010/03/31 07:19:04
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I haven't checked on metal piping yet I have spent most of my available time the last few weeks working on blocks and water flow. One thing that I wondered about with metal was how to get air into the pipe, but if the above type pipe has branches etc that would make it relatively cheap and easy to do so it might be worth a look. I may check it out later today. Thanks again for helpful info.
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