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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/03/31 08:19:36 (permalink)
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Schedule 10 is overkill, I agree that will be too heavy.

What I was referring to was slip-joint, heat duct pipe, made from 18 -22 gauge sheet metal. This is probably lighter than PVC at the same diameter, and may even be cheaper. Easily found @ Lowe's or Home Depot. Diameter sizes start from 3" up to 24", in one inch increments with an assortment of branches, tees, diverters, side gates etc. Thin metal is what you want because it can 'air cool' more effeciently than plastic. This works best if the water mist came in contact with the inside wall.




Oooh.  I wasnt even thinking about those.  Do you think there will be any issues stemming from the fact that they are aluminum?
At least with these, you dont have to worry about rust like you would with the black pipe.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/03/31 08:37:59 (permalink)
Thank you all for the warm welcome to the forums.

I had not thought of heating pipe or something similar like stove pipe. Good thinking there as it is thin and cheap. I was thinking more of irrigation sprinkler heads. Lot less flow than fire sprinkler heads in general and most irrigation heads are adjustable to different diameters and such.

If you were to try the metal pipe I think you might be able to use a combination of the pvc you have and the metal pipe. I am not positive but you might be able to find some pipe that would slide into the pvc end that you have. Even if it is a little loose you can use some metal ducting tape to tighten it up a little. As long as it is inside the pvc pipe there shouldn't be any leaks.

I would think that if you wanted to go all metal that you should be able to find enough premade pieces and with some tin snips and metal rig up something.

The downside to metal of course is going to be the increased noise from the water hitting the side of the pipe which I guess is the real tradeoff to the extra cooling added to the circuit. Heavier pipe would quiet this effect but with thin pipe it is definitely going to be noticeable without some sort of dampener on the pipe. That could be a real drawback for some. Wrapping a few strips of rubber or something similar at the point where the water contacts the pipe should quiet the pipe significantly though.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/03/31 11:43:49 (permalink)
I am thinking those pipes are made of tin?  not alum?  im not terribly sure though. 

Can't believe this thread made it to 10 pages btw :P
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/06 16:38:46 (permalink)
Ductwork is usually made of tin (cheap and pliable). 

I've read a few pages of this thread, and it from what I gather, getting a large surface area on the decent seems to be a problem.  What about using HVAC duct dampers (the straight on/off kind) to cascade the water down the length?  You might have to cut off a side of each one to get it to hit the next damper in the series, but it should spread the water out across the tin surface, plus slow it down, so it has more time out in the open to cool.  It would probably require a good bit of tweaking to get the water to flow right, but it should be feasible.  Just a thought.

BTW, amazing thread!  Lovin the innovation! 

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/06 18:00:51 (permalink)
Got a new atomizing showerhead I found here: http://www.amconservationgroup.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=104. Seems to direct flow more downward with less outward spraying.
 
 
 
 
The bell shaped part is deeper than the lowes shower head I was using so the water has a more directional dispersion. Hard to tell how well it is working since my ambient temps have shot through the roof over the last week or so. As I type it is 82 degrees F in this upstairs apt. room with 4 gpu's folding. Yikes. My cpu is at 24 degrees, about 3 degrees below amibient, but of course my cores are in the upper 30's at 1.3v. I ran out of the shin etsu 7783 so I gained about 2-3 degrees on my cores after that last time I had my block off, using one of the older shin etsu pastes now. The house I am in the process of purchasing has a "study" in the sunken basement area, with a window near ground level. I have big plans for that room Hope to be sucking cold air into my bong, ala Nate, this winter... Also, I checked out the tin pipe at home depot. The local HD stocks a single wye as well as a nice bottom plate that can work as a stand. 5 inch I believe. Next week when the ex has our children I will pick up a pipe and that wye and give it a try. The stuff is cheap. I will check out the duct dampers too just to see whats up with that. As usual, I will update with anything I get a chance to try out. I have an idea for a refinement for my water block but I gotta try and find a cheap drill press, or see if I can find an attachment for my dremel, that will let me accomplish what I have in mind. Nothing that hasn't been tried a thousand times before I'm sure, but new territory for me.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/06 18:58:10 (permalink)
is the bong louder with the water actually falling into the water?  I am convinced not a drop of mine falls, but all goes down the sides of the tube.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/06 19:20:04 (permalink)
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is the bong louder with the water actually falling into the water?  I am convinced not a drop of mine falls, but all goes down the sides of the tube.


Well, I got 12 ping pong balls in the bottom of my bong so there isn't too much splashing going on, ha. I don't think it's really louder than before. The head is making a nice hissing sound, with some light sprinkling water sounds emanating from the bong. Kinda nice actually. Without the balls in the bottom it might be louder, but I think the actual droplets are smaller. Either way I like it and don't have a problem recommending it since the price is nice. But it won't revolutionize you bong experience I don't think. More or less something to try if you are feeling a little bored. I do like the heavy brass though...aesthetically pleasing as far as shower heads go lol.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 02:47:43 (permalink)
the price is nice? I think i remember my shower head being $5.00 :P
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 06:37:44 (permalink)
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the price is nice? I think i remember my shower head being $5.00 :P

Comeon now don't go splittin pennies on us now, the basic one is 5.49. I will paypal you the .49 if u wanna get one hehe. Or you could check out this one: 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 07:25:51 (permalink)
How does this cool below ambient?

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 09:28:31 (permalink)
Essentially, wind-chill.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 20:14:41 (permalink)
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nateman_doo

the price is nice? I think i remember my shower head being $5.00 :P

Comeon now don't go splittin pennies on us now, the basic one is 5.49. I will paypal you the .49 if u wanna get one hehe. Or you could check out this one: 
   625.00
 


dear GOD!?!?  $600 for a SHOWERHEAD?!?
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/08 21:57:19 (permalink)
dear GOD!?!?  $600 for a SHOWERHEAD?!?


Yeah, I'm really torn between getting a GTX 480 or a showerhead lol. Sli showerheads only $1200.00 for double the cooling, wot a deal.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/11 08:18:38 (permalink)
cade121

Yeah, I'm really torn between getting a GTX 480 or a shower head lol. Sli shower heads only $1200.00 for double the cooling, what a deal.


SLI showerheads!? LOL!!

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/12 10:31:37 (permalink)
Going back to sprinklers for a second, I decided to try out what I had on hand.  My Purchasing Agent and shop foreman were kind enough to find me a Reliable F1 Fast Response pendant sprinkler head.

Even without the required flow, the sprinkler worked nicely and the water in my test basin was cold.


This is the sprinkler on setting 1 of the 655 Vario.  Kinda piddly.


Setting 2 - much better.  This produces some decently sized droplets


Setting 3 - starting to get a conical sheet of water.


Setting 4 - Definitely a conical pattern.  This would hit and run down the side of the pipe, so maybe not so good.


Setting 5 - Producing some great droplets but they spread out quick.  Probably the same problem as with setting 4.

I hope you liked my test pictures.  If I can source some cheap parts, I may take a stab at bong cooling with my new setup (I still need to post that) and this fire sprinkler head.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/12 11:10:44 (permalink)
Nice pics, Thanks! Hope you get a chance to try this out in a bong setup. I may have to give the metal pipe concept a shot this week. That spray  pattern may work well for that type of setup. I will update if it seems the metal pipe drops temps compared to pvc.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/15 16:03:38 (permalink)
More fun - I found an old old sprinkler head, made by Viking Corp, with a very high angle deflector and a 1.8 K-Factor.  This would sound nearly perfect, stat-wise.



I think I can get cheap PVC tube from Home Depot.  All I need to know now is what diameter pipe you guys are using.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/15 17:25:49 (permalink)
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i'll tell ya what mate, the water that you find in a normal sprinkler system will NEVER look that clean, and will be some of the faulest, smellyest crap you'll ever see. i blew a sprinkler pipe at work once while moving a life, i got up to high witht he presureized pipe with head inside the lift saftey rails (with out realising it) and once i started moving forward, BAM, next thing i know i have water up to my ankles and am trying to get the lift to go down, granted you im 17 feet in the air at this point. fun tim

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/15 19:34:00 (permalink)
Fiius 
I think I can get cheap PVC tube from Home Depot.  All I need to know now is what diameter pipe you guys are using.

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I use 4 inch, which is largest pvc pipe I can find in my town at Home Depot or Lowes.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/15 19:44:05 (permalink)
I tried the metal pipe but it didn't help temps. Maybe because I just installed it in my pvc wye base instead of having metal going all the way down into the water. I wasn't feeling well at HD (stomach was shouting "you better find a toilet, BOY!") so I didn't spend much time trying to figure out how to cobble together a metal wye base. The metal wye they have in stock is a single and the side pipe is near the bottom which wouldn't work the way I have my res setup. I would have to put a piece of extension pipe under the wye to get it up out of the water. The problem then would be the height of the bong. The house I hope to be moving into in about a week or two has a low ceiling in the downstairs/basement area where I am going to setup my comp. I will probably just hold off until I move until I dig into this project any further. 

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/15 23:56:14 (permalink)
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i'll tell ya what mate, the water that you find in a normal sprinkler system will NEVER look that clean, and will be some of the faulest, smellyest crap you'll ever see. i blew a sprinkler pipe at work once while moving a life, i got up to high witht he presureized pipe with head inside the lift saftey rails (with out realising it) and once i started moving forward, BAM, next thing i know i have water up to my ankles and am trying to get the lift to go down, granted you im 17 feet in the air at this point. fun tim


Oh believe you me, I know.  Even though I'm an office person, I still see the fitters come in covered in "black water" stained clothing.
We had a fire relatively recently at a hotel - the Monte Carlo - and I saw on the news when the Fire Department connected their hose to the standpipe to fight the fire and a gout of "black water" came out.  Later, it was told to me that it was the standpipe water being flushed out.
 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/21 03:58:32 (permalink)
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I tried the metal pipe but it didn't help temps. Maybe because I just installed it in my pvc wye base instead of having metal going all the way down into the water. I wasn't feeling well at HD (stomach was shouting "you better find a toilet, BOY!") so I didn't spend much time trying to figure out how to cobble together a metal wye base. The metal wye they have in stock is a single and the side pipe is near the bottom which wouldn't work the way I have my res setup. I would have to put a piece of extension pipe under the wye to get it up out of the water. The problem then would be the height of the bong. The house I hope to be moving into in about a week or two has a low ceiling in the downstairs/basement area where I am going to setup my comp. I will probably just hold off until I move until I dig into this project any further. 


was the metal the thin hvac duct work?
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/21 05:21:54 (permalink)



was the metal the thin hvac duct work?
 
I'm not 100% sure. It's not the paper thin stuff I have seen on the larger duct work. It is roughly the same weight as the pvc. It deifinitely "stiff" and not at all flimsy. It may be more of vent pipe of sorts, but I honestly didn't look at the description. It was 4 inches so I grabbed it.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/21 06:39:25 (permalink)
I think the metal would "remove" heat but it would probably not be noticeable unless it was made from very thin copper-which would cost out the rear.


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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/21 08:21:57 (permalink)
I'm wondering if the pvc wye base may act as an isulator. Maybe having a full metal bong (lol) would be a little more effective. Seems like the metal would  definitely be more responsive to lower ambient temps. I have also been mulling over having maybe 2 or 3 shorter, smaller towers, how effective that would be.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/04/21 19:28:25 (permalink)
an all metal bong would certainly help temps, but depending on what it was made out of.  Some metals are much slower to absorb heat.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/23 17:26:52 (permalink)
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/24 04:40:29 (permalink)
I'm not sure what you mean to redistribute the water, but I did have an epiphany...

If I have a strong enough pump, I can put the shower head at the BOTTOM of the bong (just above the water level) and if I shoot the water UP, the amount of time that the water droplets are in the air should be considerably MORE, in effect cooling the liquid further. 

If the water only goes up to the middle of the pipe, then the cooling will be the same, because of the distance traveled will be the same.  All that will really do is just cut down the height of the tower and possibly make it more appealing to other folks.  

After having the bong running during a huge bench session, I did keep looking at the bong water temps.  The closest the water came to ambient temps was 4°F below ambient. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/24 07:28:55 (permalink)
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but I did have an epiphany...



Did that require medication or toilet paper? JK. Sounds like an interesting idea. If you get a chance to try it out go ahead. Otherwise, I will see if can give it a try. Still getting my new mancave into order. Got a tv coming this week and may paint before it gets here, as well as running surround speaker wires. So it may be a while before I get a chance to play around with computer stuff. 



 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/24 08:21:07 (permalink)
It wouldn't be that hard to try, but my shower head would not work that well.  It has too wide of a dispersal patter and the water immediately goes right to the sides of the pipe. 

I must say it is virtually SILENT because of it, but i feel its not as efficient as it could be because of the lack of droplets which would be 100% surrounded by rushing air vs only the 50% of it when it clings to the side walls.  I actually had to check to see if it was on, because it was so quiet. 

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post edited by nateman_doo - 2010/05/24 09:31:48
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