kram36

Holdolin

bcavnaugh

troy8d
Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.

Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.

What I find truly sad is the apparent idea that folding for EVGA is some sort of job that is required, like they are in people's houses threatening <insert bad things here> if they don't fold.  Look, this is a total volunteer project; a charity.  If you don't want to fold then don't.  Nobody is forcing you do do anything.  In my opinion folding for bucks is as bout as smart as eating tide pods.  You'd be FAR better served mining coin if your goal is to make money with your hardware (thanks kram36 for those numbers on your mining).

You're welcome, but it's not about the money. It's about supporting a financial system that allows us to be our own banks, in control of our money and it can't be taken away. To me, this is the upmost importance for our future.
 
EDIT: Also thank you for not trying to throw me under the bus as some have tried with what they think my equipment should be used for. I believe I have contributed a lot of my life and money to folding.

bcavnaugh

Carbon-12
While a points increase was needed, this is increase seems excessive.
Why haven't there not been a increase in bucks?
The price of top Nvidia cards have tripled in cost in the last 11 years. Also electricity and everything has increased.

 What would you recommend?

bill1024

Carbon-12

bcavnaugh

Carbon-12
While a points increase was needed, this is increase seems excessive.
Why haven't there not been a increase in bucks?
The price of top Nvidia cards have tripled in cost in the last 11 years. Also electricity and everything has increased.

 What would you recommend?

Tier 1 : 5m  7 EVGA Bucks
Tier 2 : 10m 7 EVGA Bucks

I like that idea. 
5m,10m,15m for 5 bucks each or 3m,6,9,12,15m for 3 bucks each for those that can not fold everyday or  do not have 1080Ti are not shut out.
 
 

Tiger770
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TLDR:  
Seems like this would alienate a lot of everyday folders in an attempt to incentivize the people with hardware who - let's be honest - don't need $10 / month in bucks.  Instead of making a huge jump at the risk of dialing it back, roll it out in stages.
 
Year 12 - Q1 /Q2
Tier 1:  7 Million  (up 3.5x from 2 million)
Tier 2:  20 Million (up 5x from 4 million)
 
Year 12 - Q3 / Q4
Tier 1:  10 Million (up 5x from 2 million)
Tier 2:  25 Million (up ~6x from 4 million

Tiger770
I realize what I am about to post will not be popular, and I am prepared to be raked over the coals by many of the truly indoctrinated members of the team.  However I have tried to be as diplomatic about my response as possible, so I would ask that you keep that in mind as you read on.
 
As a folder since year 3 (and having taken years 7 and 8 off), I've been contributing to this project for 6 ish years, or just over half the lifespan of the program.  The folding goals have always been a give and take.  A jump with large numbers that edged out lower end hardware and encouraged people to upgrade.  I get it.  It makes financial sense to edge higher and higher on a tic-toc refresh cycle. It also keeps us moving forward as a team.
 
Having said that, I will comment that the best GPU in my house is currently the 1070Ti - which by itself is lucky to hit 750K a day.  As one of the top 5 GPUs in nVidia's lineup, I would think that it should be able to hit the top goal with 100% monthly dedicated folding, as that's how many of the previous years goals were structured.  However, it can not.  At an average of 750K I'd be looking at 22.5 million over a 30 day span.  To me, this seems to be setting up the Bucks program for an exclusive 'boys club' of people with either the bleeding edge enthusiast grade hardware, or those who have multiple boxes setup to fold and are doing so for more reasons than just the $10 "thank you."  We can argue about the reason behind the intent of contributing but let's not.
 
Let's not step into the moral high ground box here, let's talk about it in terms of what it is.  Bragging rights and recognition.  EVGA has been near the top of the leaderboard for years since the implementation of this program due in large part to making the tiers reachable by your average everyday non-dedicated folders.  By allowing someone in years past with a 570 or 970 to hit the top tier goals with 3-4 weeks of folding, they have attracted a much larger user base that can contribute to keeping them atop the leaderboard.  My concern for this program's continuation would be the alienation of those everyday non-dedicated folders in an attempt to make a large jump all at once.  
 
What does the data behind this 10 million / 25 million say?  What percentage of the active folding base currently hits 25 million a week?  What percentage hits 10 million a week?  How would the numbers look after the inevitable drop off when people with one system or people with several older systems realize that even folding 24/7 they'd be at risk (a power outage, a windows update) of not making the 25 million inside a month?  A steep decline in participation would likely spell the end for the program if the goals were high enough that even buying a dedicated 2080Ti would barely reach the top tier.  This is my fear for the team and program if the increases were to continue along these lines of reasoning.
 
Perhaps a better alternative to "here are the goals we've set and they are 5x the base and 6x the top, and we can adjust them down if needed" would be to stage your increase throughout the year.  If you'd like a larger jump, maybe go from 2mil / 4mil tiers to 7mil / 20mil for the first quarter or six months, evaluate the success of that change, and then jump again midway through the year if those goals are still easily reachable.
 
TLDR:  
Seems like this would alienate a lot of everyday folders in an attempt to incentivize the people with hardware who - let's be honest - don't need $10 / month in bucks.  Instead of making a huge jump at the risk of dialing it back, roll it out in stages.
 
Year 12 - Q1 /Q2
Tier 1:  7 Million  (up 3.5x from 2 million)
Tier 2:  20 Million (up 5x from 4 million)
 
Year 12 - Q3 / Q4
Tier 1:  10 Million (up 5x from 2 million)
Tier 2:  25 Million (up ~6x from 4 million)

Holdolin
We made our mistakes.  We learned.  Anyway, before I digress into a history lesson that most (or none) of you feel like hearing

DBenzer1
I'm really impressed, like everyone else, at the effort in reaching out to the community before implementing such a large jump.  I understand the need for a fairly dramatic increase, but keep in mind a lot of folks just bought 1060 and 1070 cards, and I'm not sure the spirit of the program should require them to fold 24/7 for the whole month to hit the 2nd tier.  20xx and 16xx card-based targets should be reserved for year 13, IMO.  I also support the idea of maybe $4/$6 for maybe 7M/21M targets (or whatever average consensus this community seems to land on).
 
Thanks to everyone for the discussion, it's been very interesting to follow!  Remember the goal is to incentivize folding, and this includes recruiting new folders.  I've brought several people on board to the team, but couldn't reasonably recommend it if it's a 24/7/month requirement.

bcavnaugh
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yodap
I think I’ll stand with my previous suggestion of tripling the tiers. 6/12. I don’t remember that ever happening before and see no reason to blow past that by a huge margin. There’s always next year to re-adjust.

I sincerely hope everyone can continue to donate their time and money for this cause.

EVGATech_LeeM
After discussions today, here are the final numbers for the entire Year 12:
 
Tier 1: 7 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2: 21 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
As previously noted, we'll reserve the right to adjust up or down based on the participation and numbers.
 
We greatly appreciate your feedback and passion for advocating for and folding for the EVGA F@H Team, as always.