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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:33:21 (permalink)
I haven't tracked it very closely, but my back of the envelope estimate based on the team stats is about 33% of folders for EVGA are bucks folders.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:37:58 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.


It seems some feel there is some..requirement to fold.  While every point is appreciated I'm sure, remember: this is a volunteer thing.  Fold at a rate yer comfy with.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:51:33 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


I have a different goal with my equipment, as stated previously. I believe we need to get away from the Fed Reserve Central Banking system. I my world this is more important to our future, so I continue to do what I can to get us away from the money controllers so we can be our own banks. My equipment runs 24/7, it doesn't get shut down after I hit EVGA's point target.
 
I have used my equipment for folding long before I ever folded for EVGA. Matter of fact I was folding 3 years before you started folding, which put's me at over 11 years and close to 12 years of folding.
 
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=285729
 
I also helped out with another member here that asked for some help.
 
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=706967
 
You trying to guilt trip me or infer I'm a bad person with your post does nothing but make you look foolish.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:58:10 (permalink)
Are there any other folks with some ideas to present to EVGA in regards to the points and Bucks? 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 20:01:30 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.


What I find truly sad is the apparent idea that folding for EVGA is some sort of job that is required, like they are in people's houses threatening <insert bad things here> if they don't fold.  Look, this is a total volunteer project; a charity.  If you don't want to fold then don't.  Nobody is forcing you do do anything.  In my opinion folding for bucks is as bout as smart as eating tide pods.  You'd be FAR better served mining coin if your goal is to make money with your hardware (thanks kram36 for those numbers on your mining).


You're welcome, but it's not about the money. It's about supporting a financial system that allows us to be our own banks, in control of our money and it can't be taken away. To me, this is the upmost importance for our future.
 
EDIT: Also thank you for not trying to throw me under the bus as some have tried with what they think my equipment should be used for. I believe I have contributed a lot of my life and money to folding.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 20:07:01 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.


What I find truly sad is the apparent idea that folding for EVGA is some sort of job that is required, like they are in people's houses threatening <insert bad things here> if they don't fold.  Look, this is a total volunteer project; a charity.  If you don't want to fold then don't.  Nobody is forcing you do do anything.  In my opinion folding for bucks is as bout as smart as eating tide pods.  You'd be FAR better served mining coin if your goal is to make money with your hardware (thanks kram36 for those numbers on your mining).


You're welcome, but it's not about the money. It's about supporting a financial system that allows us to be our own banks, in control of our money and it can't be taken away. To me, this is the upmost importance for our future.


Well I totally agree with you there.  Admittedly I never thought of it that way, but i'm totally on board with being in control of my monies.  At that I'll stop as I don't want to (too badly) derail the thread lol.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 20:12:02 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


You trying to guilt trip me or infer I'm a bad person with your post does nothing but make you look foolish.



Not trying to guilt trip you, simply stating my observation of your point of view and acknowledging the value it brings to the discussion.  You are the only one here I noticed openly expressing that point of view (forgive me if I haven't followed this thread closely enough and missed someone else). Thank you for taking the time to do so.
 
If you infer it makes you look bad that is entirely in your head, not mine.  I understand you have other goals and priorities and that's great.  There certainly are things more important in life that folding at home.  Thanks for your contributions and best of luck in whatever you pursue.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 20:39:33 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


You trying to guilt trip me or infer I'm a bad person with your post does nothing but make you look foolish.



Not trying to guilt trip you, simply stating my observation of your point of view and acknowledging the value it brings to the discussion.  You are the only one here I noticed openly expressing that point of view (forgive me if I haven't followed this thread closely enough and missed someone else). Thank you for taking the time to do so.
 
If you infer it makes you look bad that is entirely in your head, not mine.  I understand you have other goals and priorities and that's great.  There certainly are things more important in life that folding at home.  Thanks for your contributions and best of luck in whatever you pursue.


There are others that have mentioned the Bucks have not kept up with the cost of living. I have to weigh my priorities, if I feel like folding to get some EVGA Bucks to help me with buying more equipment (from EVGA) and it doesn't affect my priority much, I'll do that. With the proposed point raises, it takes away from my priorities way too much and it will end folding for me. I still believe my proposal is a good proposal.
 
Tier 1: 4m $10
Tier 2: 8m $10
Tier 3: 12M $10




I would think they'd keep the amount you can earn per month the same but just raise the total by a million to account for the better hardware out there now:

Tier 1: 3M $5
Tier 2: 5M $5
 
And maybe they put in a Tier 3 at 10M for an additional $10.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 11:45:54 (permalink)
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I would think they'd keep the amount you can earn per month the same but just raise the total by a million to account for the better hardware out there now:

Tier 1: 3M $5
Tier 2: 5M $5
 
And maybe they put in a Tier 3 at 10M for an additional $10.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 12:48:14 (permalink)
How about 1 buck for every 2m points up to 20m. Not sure if a script can be written to keep tract to make it easy. Just a thought.
 
Someone said "five cents per 1m points" Not where I live. Electric runs from 6 cents to 15 cents per KW then add another 6-7 cents per kw delivery charge
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 17:19:07 (permalink)
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How about 1 buck for every 2m points up to 20m. Not sure if a script can be written to keep tract to make it easy. Just a thought.
 

Great idea! 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 18:02:21 (permalink)
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How about 1 buck for every 2m points up to 20m. Not sure if a script can be written to keep tract to make it easy. Just a thought.
 

Great idea! 


Curious, why are you commenting in this thread? You don't fold for EVGA anymore. How do you know what a great idea is when it has zero affect on you?

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 18:38:31 (permalink)
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Curious, why are you commenting in this thread? You don't fold for EVGA anymore. How do you know what a great idea is when it has zero affect on you?




Curious, why are you still commenting in this thread? you have made your position PAINFULLY obvious by posting every other post. 


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 18:48:20 (permalink)
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Curious, why are you commenting in this thread? You don't fold for EVGA anymore. How do you know what a great idea is when it has zero affect on you?




Curious, why are you still commenting in this thread? you have made your position PAINFULLY obvious by posting every other post. 


Because it affects me as I am a folder for EVGA.
 
Why do you put your equipment towards a mining team instead of EVGA for folding?
 
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=737427
 
You used to at least come grab some EVGA Bucks, but you have stopped doing that. Is it no longer worth your time even with the current lower amount of points needed to get the EVGA Bucks?
 
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=503134
 
If you won't even fold for EVGA at the current lower points level, what would make you turn some of your equipment towards EVGA?
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 19:52:30 (permalink)
Folding is Folding and there is No Pointing your hardware or equipment it all gets Sent to the same location https://foldingathome.org/
It makes no difference what Team you Fold Under or if you Fold under a Team at all.
There are lots and lots of Folders that are not part of any Team.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 20:07:28 (permalink)
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Folding is Folding and there is No Pointing your hardware or equipment it all gets Sent to the same location https://foldingathome.org/
It makes no difference what Team you Fold Under or if you Fold under a Team at all.
There are lots and lots of Folders that are not part of any Team.




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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 20:45:57 (permalink)
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I would be nice for Year 12 to also update the Guide & Download page is it is very old now and may be out dated.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 20:47:49 (permalink)
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While some Folders to not Fold Under the Team of EVGA we do have Events that they Do Join the EVGA Team.
A good example of this the TZC and this Event has nothing what so ever to do with EVGA Bucks.
Remember to that we are a Team First and a Bucks Collector Second.


That's all and good, however this thread is about folding at EVGA and the points system for EVGA Bucks. When people are chiming in on this thread and they don't fold for EVGA, it makes me wonder why are they doing this.
 
I'm still waiting for Afterbuner's and Chris's answers.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/18 21:44:28 (permalink)
Poor LeeM has to come here and read all of this.......... Sorry LeeM 
 
Please stop it now. Please. This is embarrassing .  The horse is dead, you can stop beating on it.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 05:05:51 (permalink)
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Poor LeeM has to come here and read all of this.......... Sorry LeeM 
 
Please stop it now. Please. This is embarrassing .  The horse is dead, you can stop beating on it.


Not to worry. Lee reads it all, takes in everyone thoughts and considers everything. There is no reason to fear anyone's input is going to be missed. 
 
Trust me, he is seeing it all. 
 
The more folders that can offer input the better!

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 05:35:13 (permalink)
Everyone on EVGA Forums has an Equal right to post in any thread as long as they do not violate the TOS --->So that part of the conversation is Over
 
We should bring actionable ideas to the table and not derail the thread

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 07:26:34 (permalink)
Wow thats a jump. Would much more prefer a little less drastic. Something more along 8M and 16M. Thats going to be a lot of power usage.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 09:02:50 (permalink)
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Wow thats a jump. Would much more prefer a little less drastic. Something more along 8M and 16M. Thats going to be a lot of power usage.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 09:20:10 (permalink)
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Tier 1 : 10m (10,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2 : 25m (25,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
Please note the submission page still shows Year 11 until 3/1/19.

Thank You,
Lee

** Please don't forget to submit any points for Year 11 before March 15th, 2019 as we will cut off submission on the following day. **

After further consideration, I fully support the proposed points increase.
 
Tier 1 : 10m (10,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2 : 25m (25,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
It might even be on the low side.
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 10:52:19 (permalink)
As someone who doesn't have a ton of disposable income to throw at my PC anymore (hello mortgage & car payments) I'm only able to upgrade around a 4-5 year cycle. This change prices most mid-tier folders out & can (& probably will) drive them away from the program to something that gets them a better return on their processing power.
 
I'm currently running a 1070 & I'm having a hard time justifying (to myself, let alone my wife) the 20x0 series considering the prices & hardware issues that seem to be coming with them...
 
While I could probably still hit the 10M mark every month, you've gone from having me fold for 10-12 days to hit 4M, to having to fold for almost the entire month for half the incentive. I'm sure a lot of the casual folders/gamers who do like having this program & incentive to fold for & keep purchasing EVGA products are going to go elsewhere.
 
In the past, you could reliably find last-gen cards used for decent prices to cheaply upgrade, that is not the case the past 2-3 years due to the mining craze. This hurts the average-Joe way more with the increase in target points.

I feel like a 3-tier system would be much more fitting to keep the budget conscious in the folding program:


Tier-1: 6M-8M range - 5 EVGA Bucks
Tier-2: 12M-16M range - 5 EVGA Bucks
Tier-3: 24M-27M range - 5 EVGA Bucks

Either that or maybe just go with a total break down and change it so a target number (let's say 1.5-2M) earns you a single EVGA buck and put a cap of 10 bucks per month?
 
Thank you guys for keeping this program going for another year, but the proposed numbers are really going to dissuade a lot of people from contributing.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 11:26:48 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 11:50:00 (permalink)
I want to elaborate a bit more on my post. Which was that the points increase is quite a bit of a jump. I also recommended that we be at 8 and 16 million respective. My look at this is that if year 11 had doubled what the previous was it would have been 4 and 8 and for the 10 series having been in its second year that year it was good. Now with this year we still have those on 10 series cards that do good points but we also have 20 series that do even better but this is in relation a transition year for hardware. Last year was and no one is denying it too low. At the moment I have been folding to the rewards and stopping but I have a few factors that go into this. I do other projects that require my computing capability as well as the cost of power. I just moved to a new state and the power is more expensive and tiered differently than it was in my old state. On top of this I dont pay for my power but my parents do and I dont want to increase the power bill by too much. I have no problem with the time I need to fold for the power to 8 and 16. The increase to 10 and 25 though is going to put it at a point where I have to fold all month long and I know what the power bill looked like from everything I do with the folding I was doing. It will be too much to ask. Im still looking for a job after the move and can not supplement the power bill. But as stated before I would gladly fold for a longer to a higher reward but I cant possibly with 500-700w of power draw constant keep it folding all month to the 25 million mark. I will get a new graphics card but I dont think it will be a 20 series card as my Titan and 1070 TI still do great. Which Im only using my Titan at the moment as im on my Travel rig yet from moving. I have a 1080Ti FTW3 that doesnt have a home to power it because it doesnt fit in my ITX box and I wouldnt be able to simply because of power bill. 
 
My vote is for 8 Million and 16 Million tiers based on this being likely a transition year for hardware. They are values that are realistic to both 10 and 20 series cards.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 13:44:28 (permalink)
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EVGATech_LeeM,
I would be nice for Year 12 to also update the Guide & Download page is it is very old now and may be out dated.


Unfortunately, it's been a very long time since I've done any folding myself.  If someone would like to write a guide, or update a sticky here, we can work on updating it anytime.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 13:54:41 (permalink)
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EVGATech_LeeM,
I would be nice for Year 12 to also update the Guide & Download page is it is very old now and may be out dated.


Unfortunately, it's been a very long time since I've done any folding myself.  If someone would like to write a guide, or update a sticky here, we can work on updating it anytime.


Thanks I will work with some Team Members to update the images and so on.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/19 14:14:02 (permalink)
Thank you for continuing the program EVGA, I do appreciate a large visible company supporting Folding at Home.
 
I echo the thoughts of many that the increase is too aggressive. I'm thinking about this in 2 ways, first selfishly my GPUs will no longer be able to meet the 2nd tier even with 24/7 folding so that's unfortunate for me.
 
More importantly from the perspective of folding as a whole, which I do care about and would rather avoid an argument about whether I can show enough credentials to make my opinion valid or if I'm folding for the right reasons etc. I've always been really glad to see EVGA encouraging their huge GPU audience to consider folding with this incentive program, by proudly advertising that team EVGA is #1 on their GPU boxes, mentioning folding on their website and just in general making the transition from tech or GPU enthusiast to folder really easy. I think that this daunting number increase will discourage people that may just want to check out folding and kinda stumble upon the promotion and find that it's attainable for them and then get hooked on folding. Numbers like these you pretty much already have to be a dedicated folder to meet the tiers so they lose effectiveness as an incentive to newcomers. That was my favorite part of the promo, is that it effectively incentivized newcomers with attainable goals direct to a large target audience of GPU owners/enthusiasts.
 
From the EVGA folding team perspective, maybe you would get more points from less folders with this change or maybe you'd get less points total from less people, but either way I'd imagine that folding as a whole would lose out by attracting less newcomers and I think that would be a shame.
 
I'm glad to hear that EVGA will be monitoring the difficultly and be willing to change these mid year as you mention, but I think that now's the time to start that by lowering from 10/25 to something like 8/16.
 
Thanks
post edited by freEVfoldinGA - 2019/02/19 14:16:28


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