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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 19:09:20 (permalink)
there is no doubt in my mind that they are raising it, at least in part, this year cuz they definitely got burned last year for not.
 
but look at it this way. at 25M per month you need only 833k per day. there are currently over 650 people with that or higher as an avg. multiply that by 10 and that is $6,500 from the $10 tier. then there are currently over 1450 people who at only 333k per day can hit the $5 tier for another $4,000. that is a total of over $10,500 being given away at their purposed tiers. if you only double them to a measly 8M that is 266k per day for $10. over 1,700 people have an avg over that for over $17,000 and that is not including the first tier.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 19:49:13 (permalink)
In other news...
 
We are still waiting for EVGA to create a similar program for Crunchers... We have developed a team of 439 cruncher that have fought all the way to #62 in the WORLD out of 120,254 teams, without any EVGA program. I cannot help but wonder just how much childhood cancer cures, alzheimer's cures, planet finding to pulsars we could achieve together with a program that promotes more growth... 
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 20:01:38 (permalink)
I hit my 4 mil in just a few days or less, but I use two 1080Ti, two 1080, and a 1070Ti  all at once to do it as fast as I can.
There is no way I could afford to run that 24/7 with the 300 or so CPU cores I have for crunching. 
I use all that hardware for short runs or sprint contests. I do keep a couple 2P servers 24/7 and a couple hexcores. No GPU 24/7/365
The stats say there are 600 active folders.
Right now 331 people are averaging 1m a week or more = 4m a month
Another 60 people are doing 500k or more = 2M a month
My guess is maybe another 40 hit the max and are not showing in the stats today? Of that possible even?
So say 400 hit the max that is 4k dollars
100 hit the 5$ tier, another 500$
All the 2 buck ribbons and 2 buck for registering a card another 500 a month? Just a guess as I can only guess.
That is around 5k a month or 60k for the year. That is very generous of them to do. Just a guess on my part. But still.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 20:11:37 (permalink)
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In other news...
 
We are still waiting for EVGA to create a similar program for Crunchers... We have developed a team of 439 cruncher that have fought all the way to #62 in the WORLD out of 120,254 teams, without any EVGA program. I cannot help but wonder just how much childhood cancer cures, alzheimer's cures, planet finding to pulsars we could achieve together with a program that promotes more growth... 
 
https://stats.free-dc.org/teambycpid/Crunching@EVGA 
 
 




Not to mention the team comes in the top ten in almost every challenge they do. Vs. teams much larger in numbers.
The results from the WCG World community grid have actually saved lives, not just write term papers. Results have saved lives.
And they are grateful for the support they get, and listen to the donors. But I guess this is a topic for another thread.
I will continue to crunch with out a program. It would be hard to setup, the points are all over the place.
 
 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 20:43:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Afterburner 2019/02/15 20:45:01
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 21:08:26 (permalink)
I Really Enjoy Crunching and Folding and Will Continue to do so for as long as I am able too.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/15 21:14:31 (permalink)
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I Really Enjoy Crunching and Folding and Will Continue to do so for as long as I am able too.


I can see that, you have contributed a lot to both projects.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 06:24:27 (permalink)
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I Really Enjoy Crunching and Folding and Will Continue to do so for as long as I am able too.


Thank you for all you contributions and all of you help to countless folks over the years! 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 08:59:41 (permalink)
They have to push new hardware eventually. Though, the suggested tier 2 seems quite high for many people. Sure us mega folders can do it, but is a serious problem for people running midrange cards on their main system. If I used my system for a home office/gaming or school work/gaming it would be hard to get there with last generation cards. So certainly those if us with multiple high end cards can do this quickly as well, it's not fair to exclude more budget constrained/casual users from the program. Not everyone can afford thousands of dollars for their systems.
Just my Humble/Not So Humble Opinion.
That said, I do appreciate the program and continued support from EVGA.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 10:47:18 (permalink)
One could hope EVGA would set goals based on 16 hr a day of Folding.  That would give people 8 hr for other activities such as gaming, study & work.
 
One big issue seems to be the many Folders that Stop Folding as soon as they hit 4M for the month.
 
I believe EVGA's aim was to rewarding those who Folded "daily" by giving the Bucks to help Team EVGA Folding members keep their hardware up to date so they can then contribute more for the Greater Good.
 
Now EVGA is trying to define "daily Folding Goals" that align with Recent & Current GPUs: 900 series, 10 series & 20 series
 
10M & 25M seems to be a very high standard for "casual" Folding members - and 2M & 4 M for year 11 was a gift
 
Even at 500K PPD - that would make a goal of 15M per month & should be easy enough to make with 10 series GPU & hard but not impossible on a 980 GPU - though probably require some to go 24/7 to get there.  Not everyone needs to hit both goals.
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 11:01:06 (permalink)
They probably could just take the average per day people hit for the first week of the month (since some people hit goals and stop) and then times that by 28 days for the shortest month and come up with the goal range based on 15% below that number for the low tier and 15% higher for the second tier. The difference between the two tiers of course would be 30% and allow people without the latest greatest have a shot at least hitting the low tier.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 11:11:47 (permalink)
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They probably could just take the average per day people hit for the first week of the month (since some people hit goals and stop) and then times that by 28 days for the shortest month and come up with the goal range based on 15% below that number for the low tier and 15% higher for the second tier. The difference between the two tiers of course would be 30% and allow people without the latest greatest have a shot at least hitting the low tier.

That would be hard with WU being so spread apart from each.
Also we have times when they are Down and cannot get WU as well as some can get WU that now take up to 5 Hours to complete.
Then some WU take leas than 2 Hours to complete. It is just to hard to use a Percent or Average on Folding.
Remember to that the Status Sever goes down all the time or at least it seems so.
So you could go days without Points then one day with multi million when the normal is less than 1 million per day.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 16:00:40 (permalink)
I suspect many here are already thinking this. But...
 
There was a time that EVGA increased the goals on nearly an annual basis. This is not new, yet needed. Each time they raised the bar, we have had the same "You will lose a lot of your folders" comments as well as "Thank you for continuing the program".
 
There is no perfect solution.
 
With that said...
 
For those challenging the new levels... If you are 100% honest with yourselves, your not folding for the EVGA bucks, correct? It is an added bonus to your personal reasons for folding. It is not your driving force.
 
My only reason for reminding us of that point is because, at times, we can fixate on a piece of a program and lose sight of all the other parts.
 
Fold on and thank you for all that you do!

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 20:08:04 (permalink)
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I suspect many here are already thinking this. But...
 
There was a time that EVGA increased the goals on nearly an annual basis. This is not new, yet needed. Each time they raised the bar, we have had the same "You will lose a lot of your folders" comments as well as "Thank you for continuing the program".
 
There is no perfect solution.
 
With that said...
 
For those challenging the new levels... If you are 100% honest with yourselves, your not folding for the EVGA bucks, correct? It is an added bonus to your personal reasons for folding. It is not your driving force.
 
My only reason for reminding us of that point is because, at times, we can fixate on a piece of a program and lose sight of all the other parts.
 
Fold on and thank you for all that you do!




No one is denying that points should not increase, its the level of increase that is being debated.  I appreciate your idealistic point of view, but if your ultimate goal is personal reasons shouldn't you favor a program that maximizes our collective output?  The entire nature of the program is distributed computing and the contribution of the many far outweighs the contribution of the individual.
 
I also understand how difficult it is for EVGA to address a multitude of issues they are currently attempting to address and won't complain with whatever the ultimately decide upon. 
 
If I am 100% honest, I'm not sure if I'm folding for the EVGA bucks.  EVGA bucks honestly are a fun motivation for me, providing a target to hit provides a small level of accomplishment among the unending slog of WUs.  The only way to know that with certainty is for the program to end and see who continues folding.  That being said, however, I have not been one that stops folding once I hit the requirement for the bucks.  I fully recognize that not everyone takes this same approach and unfortunately I don't know that there is a good way to address it without making the administration of the program unnecessarily complex. 

I started folding because I bought an EVGA GPU and visiting their site I saw the folding program.  That also introduced me to the crunching side of things with the fallout that ensued when CPU folding became essentially obsolete.  If I wasn't able to hit the targets in the first couple months before being bitten by the folding bug, I'm not sure that I would have continued. 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 20:16:31 (permalink)
After some reflection, I think the best part of the Year 12 announcement is the dynamic nature of the points targets.  Given the uncertain nature of the folding landscape and WUs as well as the release of new GPUs that does not coincide with the folding year, it seems long overdue. 
 
The current debate around folding may be a good time to consider adding a 3rd tier to the program as a fair compromise.  I have previously advocated increasing the bucks to 12 or 13 to keep pace with inflation https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=10&year1=200503&year2=201812 and 4/4/4 would work nicely for something like 8M, 16M and 32M.  This would still work with the 10 buck total for something like 4/3/3 for 8M, 16M and 25M.  

Just throwing around some ideas...

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 21:15:20 (permalink)
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No one is denying that points should not increase, its the level of increase that is being debated.  I appreciate your idealistic point of view, but if your ultimate goal is personal reasons shouldn't you favor a program that maximizes our collective output? 

I am not denying the debate, I am participating in it. Yes (To answer your question). And if you are asking me if I should support all the collective output, I never suggested I would not. More than once I have provided similar input to that point. If you are asking if EVGA should...
 
I believe they have. And I also believe they still hold true to the real driver for folding is not in the Bucks but in the desire of the person to do it.
 
Please remember, I am a member too. I have no input on what EVGA decides. If I did, do you not think we would have three or four tiers in folding and some kind of a program for the crunching efforts by now? 
 
I also understand the time energy money and effort those that fold and crunch spend. And all have a right to offer their input and the more that do the more EVGA listens. They are not going to listen to just a handful of folks.
 
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If I am 100% honest, I'm not sure if I'm folding for the EVGA bucks.  EVGA bucks honestly are a fun motivation for me, providing a target to hit provides a small level of accomplishment among the unending slog of WUs.  

 
Thank you for your input. 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 21:35:26 (permalink)
We need the other 580 active folders to chime in, where is everyone?
 
 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/16 23:02:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Afterburner 2019/02/17 12:51:43
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We need the other 580 active folders to chime in, where is everyone?



I rarely comment on these forums, because I'm one of those people that fold until the 4m mark (which takes about 3 weeks on my 970, which is also my primary gaming card), and then turn it off for the month, and the sentiment towards "people like me" is pretty obvious.  It's not a very welcome one.  
 
That said, I will probably stop folding until I can manage to upgrade my hardware, since even the 10m mark is completely outside the realm of possibility for my card.  The 20x0 series just doesn't provide enough upgrade for the price, although the generous amount of evga bucks I've gotten since I bought my 970 certainly helps.  I realize folders are a different hardware breed by and large, but the most popular 40% of video cards can't reliably hit 10m either.
 
Hopefully the 30x0 series comes out later this year on 7nm and I can rejoin everyone then.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 03:04:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Afterburner 2019/02/17 12:51:45
My 10 cents (due to inflation):
IMHO, increasing the points tier structure from 2M/4M to 10M/25M is a bit much for keeping the same five/ten dollar EVGA Bucks levels. Even though I've already reached 25M points for this month, I do agree with other commenters that the majority of our fellow folders will have a hard time reaching these point totals.
 
Personally, it wasn't too long ago that I had aging video cards and had to run two desktops for almost a full month to reach point totals, and can empathize with others currently in that position. Luckily, I upgraded to 10XX and 20XX cards that can more effectively produce folding point totals more efficiently with less energy usage.
 
That being said, I support the three-tiered structure that a fellow folder mentioned earlier. Thanks to EVGA for continuing their very generous program; I can't think of another nVidia-based graphics card company that offers a similar program.
 
Finally, I personally think the 20XX graphics card prices are overly inflated. For example, EVGA lists their basic 2060 video card at $349, which is what their top-of-the-line 1060 sold for last year. Hopefully, the new folding point structure will take this into consideration, and entice folders to upgrade their rigs at a fair price.




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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 06:18:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Afterburner 2019/02/17 12:51:54
Yesterday my 1080FE with a heavy overclock did 869,235 points. Today it's trending less so lets say that's about average for the current WU's. Single card system with no other crunching or anything running. That is over 28.7 days to hit 25 million.
That card is 1 generation old and the limits of it need to be pushed to make the proposed 2nd tier. Azuroth would consider that card a solid upgrade to his 970 and would still have to run it 24/7/30 and give up gaming to do it. Electricity usage would also increase 500-600% for folding as well. These are the issues a single card folder has to decide on to move forward. 25 million is way to high. I suggest no more than tripling the tiers to 6/12 or increase the the buck level to help offset the cost of the extra power and beating the crap out of an existing 1 gen old card.
 


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 07:30:16 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 07:33:46 (permalink)
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Honestly, know that we have brought up the inflation issue, since the amount of EVGA Bucks has never been increased, but buys less. This should be how to structure year 12.
 
Tier 1: 2m $10
Tier 2: 4m $10
 
That's right, keep the points the same and raise the amount of EVGA Bucks. Times are tough, electricity and new cards cost a lot of money. People need to feed their family.


Now that is a good post. 
 
This is a cut and paste to what I suggested directly to EVGA (Literally)...
 
I strongly believe and will continue to advocate for, a third tier. If $10 is the max EVGA wishes to offer after all these years...
 
5Mil = $4
10Mil = $3
25mil = $3
 
Or, raise the bar and create a buzz and go this route...
 
5Mil = $4
10Mil = $6
30mil = $10

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 08:43:12 (permalink)
  • 200th place 24 hr avg = 281,524
    • = 8,445,720 (30 day month)
  • 100th place 24 hr avg = 511.693
    • = 15,350,790 (30 day month)
  • 50th place 24 hr avg = 901,337
    • 27,040,110 (30 day month)
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The overall averages include mind you, folders like yourself that shuts down in a handful of days because you already achieved the bucks. Using your words... 
 
 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 08:43:58 (permalink)
Inflation is real. My electric prices went up last year in large part because National Grid wants to fund and run new natural gas lines to parts of the state far from me. I won't have gas on my street in my life time but glad to help those that will.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 09:15:32 (permalink)
I hear you.
My folding stats say I'm a bucks folder and it's true. I don't mine coin but am grateful to Evga that I can switch over to crunching projects that are every bit as important to me as folding. Tough decisions are on the horizon for all including EVGA.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 09:37:25 (permalink)
Still paying between $460 and $520 a month for my Elect Bill and this is on Me and Me Alone.
 
I Sorry but this so far out in left field it is out of bounds.
Tier 1: 4m $10
Tier 2: 8m $10
Tier 3: 12M $10
We need to be realistic here other wise EVGA should just end the Program providing any EVGA Bucks.
As it seems to be the only reason for some to Fold over Why We Fold. We Do Not Fold For The Buck.
EVGA Bucks are only an Incentive or Reward to Fold and nothing more. If you want more Fold under Curecoin.
Tier 1: 8m $5
Tier 2: 16m $5
Tier 3: 50M $5 and this one is not even really needed.
 
Last of my Pocket Change.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 12:58:27 (permalink)
WHen your talking about power costs... I am actually reeeeeeally happy with my 1080TI Founders GPU. The heat generated and power consumption was much less than my prior 780 Classy produced/needed...
 
I am actually "Milking" this 1080TI right now. Two of the three Display Ports have failed and the final third DP zaps my monitor at least once a day. Causing it to black out and I have to reset the monitor... 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 15:45:02 (permalink)
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WHen your talking about power costs... I am actually reeeeeeally happy with my 1080TI Founders GPU. The heat generated and power consumption was much less than my prior 780 Classy produced/needed...
 
I am actually "Milking" this 1080TI right now. Two of the three Display Ports have failed and the final third DP zaps my monitor at least once a day. Causing it to black out and I have to reset the monitor... 


Only on my RYZEN Rig View System do I see this happen when it is Folding.
I just Pull the Power Cable from the Monitor and plug it back in and all is well.
I never had this issue happen when I was using the DVI Cables, I really do not care for the DP Cables.
I have only had 1 WU Fail because of this but it did start back up after pulling the Power Cable.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:17:55 (permalink)
Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/17 19:22:33 (permalink)
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Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.


Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.

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