In other news...
 
We are still waiting for EVGA to create a similar program for Crunchers... We have developed a team of 439 cruncher that have fought all the way to #62 in the WORLD out of 120,254 teams, without any EVGA program. I cannot help but wonder just how much childhood cancer cures, alzheimer's cures, planet finding to pulsars we could achieve together with a program that promotes more growth... 
 
https://stats.free-dc.org/teambycpid/Crunching@EVGA 
 
 

Afterburner
In other news...
 
We are still waiting for EVGA to create a similar program for Crunchers... We have developed a team of 439 cruncher that have fought all the way to #62 in the WORLD out of 120,254 teams, without any EVGA program. I cannot help but wonder just how much childhood cancer cures, alzheimer's cures, planet finding to pulsars we could achieve together with a program that promotes more growth... 
 
https://stats.free-dc.org/teambycpid/Crunching@EVGA 
 
 

Not to mention the team comes in the top ten in almost every challenge they do. Vs. teams much larger in numbers.
The results from the WCG World community grid have actually saved lives, not just write term papers. Results have saved lives.
And they are grateful for the support they get, and listen to the donors. But I guess this is a topic for another thread.
I will continue to crunch with out a program. It would be hard to setup, the points are all over the place.
 
 

I Really Enjoy Crunching and Folding and Will Continue to do so for as long as I am able too.

bcavnaugh
I Really Enjoy Crunching and Folding and Will Continue to do so for as long as I am able too.

Thank you for all you contributions and all of you help to countless folks over the years! 

One could hope EVGA would set goals based on 16 hr a day of Folding.  That would give people 8 hr for other activities such as gaming, study & work.
 
One big issue seems to be the many Folders that Stop Folding as soon as they hit 4M for the month.
 
I believe EVGA's aim was to rewarding those who Folded "daily" by giving the Bucks to help Team EVGA Folding members keep their hardware up to date so they can then contribute more for the Greater Good.
 
Now EVGA is trying to define "daily Folding Goals" that align with Recent & Current GPUs: 900 series, 10 series & 20 series
 
10M & 25M seems to be a very high standard for "casual" Folding members - and 2M & 4 M for year 11 was a gift
 
Even at 500K PPD - that would make a goal of 15M per month & should be easy enough to make with 10 series GPU & hard but not impossible on a 980 GPU - though probably require some to go 24/7 to get there.  Not everyone needs to hit both goals.
 
my $0.02

Hoggle
They probably could just take the average per day people hit for the first week of the month (since some people hit goals and stop) and then times that by 28 days for the shortest month and come up with the goal range based on 15% below that number for the low tier and 15% higher for the second tier. The difference between the two tiers of course would be 30% and allow people without the latest greatest have a shot at least hitting the low tier.

That would be hard with WU being so spread apart from each.
Also we have times when they are Down and cannot get WU as well as some can get WU that now take up to 5 Hours to complete.
Then some WU take leas than 2 Hours to complete. It is just to hard to use a Percent or Average on Folding.
Remember to that the Status Sever goes down all the time or at least it seems so.
So you could go days without Points then one day with multi million when the normal is less than 1 million per day.

Afterburner
I suspect many here are already thinking this. But...
 
There was a time that EVGA increased the goals on nearly an annual basis. This is not new, yet needed. Each time they raised the bar, we have had the same "You will lose a lot of your folders" comments as well as "Thank you for continuing the program".
 
There is no perfect solution.
 
With that said...
 
For those challenging the new levels... If you are 100% honest with yourselves, your not folding for the EVGA bucks, correct? It is an added bonus to your personal reasons for folding. It is not your driving force.
 
My only reason for reminding us of that point is because, at times, we can fixate on a piece of a program and lose sight of all the other parts.
 
Fold on and thank you for all that you do!

No one is denying that points should not increase, its the level of increase that is being debated.  I appreciate your idealistic point of view, but if your ultimate goal is personal reasons shouldn't you favor a program that maximizes our collective output?  The entire nature of the program is distributed computing and the contribution of the many far outweighs the contribution of the individual.
 
I also understand how difficult it is for EVGA to address a multitude of issues they are currently attempting to address and won't complain with whatever the ultimately decide upon. 
 
If I am 100% honest, I'm not sure if I'm folding for the EVGA bucks.  EVGA bucks honestly are a fun motivation for me, providing a target to hit provides a small level of accomplishment among the unending slog of WUs.  The only way to know that with certainty is for the program to end and see who continues folding.  That being said, however, I have not been one that stops folding once I hit the requirement for the bucks.  I fully recognize that not everyone takes this same approach and unfortunately I don't know that there is a good way to address it without making the administration of the program unnecessarily complex. 

I started folding because I bought an EVGA GPU and visiting their site I saw the folding program.  That also introduced me to the crunching side of things with the fallout that ensued when CPU folding became essentially obsolete.  If I wasn't able to hit the targets in the first couple months before being bitten by the folding bug, I'm not sure that I would have continued. 

troy8d
 
No one is denying that points should not increase, its the level of increase that is being debated.  I appreciate your idealistic point of view, but if your ultimate goal is personal reasons shouldn't you favor a program that maximizes our collective output? 

I am not denying the debate, I am participating in it. Yes (To answer your question). And if you are asking me if I should support all the collective output, I never suggested I would not. More than once I have provided similar input to that point. If you are asking if EVGA should...
 
I believe they have. And I also believe they still hold true to the real driver for folding is not in the Bucks but in the desire of the person to do it.
 
Please remember, I am a member too. I have no input on what EVGA decides. If I did, do you not think we would have three or four tiers in folding and some kind of a program for the crunching efforts by now? 
 
I also understand the time energy money and effort those that fold and crunch spend. And all have a right to offer their input and the more that do the more EVGA listens. They are not going to listen to just a handful of folks.
 

troy8d
If I am 100% honest, I'm not sure if I'm folding for the EVGA bucks.  EVGA bucks honestly are a fun motivation for me, providing a target to hit provides a small level of accomplishment among the unending slog of WUs.  

 
Thank you for your input. 

kram36
Honestly, know that we have brought up the inflation issue, since the amount of EVGA Bucks has never been increased, but buys less. This should be how to structure year 12.
 
Tier 1: 2m $10
Tier 2: 4m $10
 
That's right, keep the points the same and raise the amount of EVGA Bucks. Times are tough, electricity and new cards cost a lot of money. People need to feed their family.

Now that is a good post. 
 
This is a cut and paste to what I suggested directly to EVGA (Literally)...
 
I strongly believe and will continue to advocate for, a third tier. If $10 is the max EVGA wishes to offer after all these years...
 
5Mil = $4
10Mil = $3
25mil = $3
 
Or, raise the bar and create a buzz and go this route...
 
5Mil = $4
10Mil = $6
30mil = $10

Inflation is real. My electric prices went up last year in large part because National Grid wants to fund and run new natural gas lines to parts of the state far from me. I won't have gas on my street in my life time but glad to help those that will.

Still paying between $460 and $520 a month for my Elect Bill and this is on Me and Me Alone.
 
I Sorry but this so far out in left field it is out of bounds.
Tier 1: 4m $10
Tier 2: 8m $10
Tier 3: 12M $10
We need to be realistic here other wise EVGA should just end the Program providing any EVGA Bucks.
As it seems to be the only reason for some to Fold over Why We Fold. We Do Not Fold For The Buck.
EVGA Bucks are only an Incentive or Reward to Fold and nothing more. If you want more Fold under Curecoin.
Tier 1: 8m $5
Tier 2: 16m $5
Tier 3: 50M $5 and this one is not even really needed.
 
Last of my Pocket Change.

Afterburner
WHen your talking about power costs... I am actually reeeeeeally happy with my 1080TI Founders GPU. The heat generated and power consumption was much less than my prior 780 Classy produced/needed...
 
I am actually "Milking" this 1080TI right now. Two of the three Display Ports have failed and the final third DP zaps my monitor at least once a day. Causing it to black out and I have to reset the monitor... 

Only on my RYZEN Rig View System do I see this happen when it is Folding.
I just Pull the Power Cable from the Monitor and plug it back in and all is well.
I never had this issue happen when I was using the DVI Cables, I really do not care for the DP Cables.
I have only had 1 WU Fail because of this but it did start back up after pulling the Power Cable.

troy8d
Clearly kram36 is only looking at "what's in it for me."  Its nice to gain some insight into the viewpoint of a purely bucks folder.

Sad but True for most who Fold only for Bucks.