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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/20 18:53:09 (permalink)
Tier 1: 7 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2: 21 million (5 EVGA Bucks)


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/20 20:45:10 (permalink)
Ditto 


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/20 21:59:26 (permalink)
Tier 1 : 7m (7,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2 : 21m (21,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
is this per week,per month,per year ?

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/20 22:00:40 (permalink)
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Tier 1 : 7m (7,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2 : 21m (21,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
is this per week,per month,per year ?


Per month.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/21 05:42:16 (permalink)
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Tier 1 : 7m (7,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2 : 21m (21,000,000) (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
is this per week,per month,per year ?


Per month.


per week

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/21 05:49:03 (permalink)
Congrats to Everyone who Folds ---> Team EVGA to date has over 250 Billion Points & 27 Million WU ---> For the Greater Good
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/21 05:52:51 (permalink)
Thanks very much for the numbers, and for all of the discussion!
 
Plus a big thanks for supporting the program for all these years!
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/21 07:00:13 (permalink)
Thanks, Lee!

 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/21 17:52:05 (permalink)
I wouldn't have a problem with these numbers if this generations cards were actually affordable.  Even a regular 2080 is $1100 here in Canada.  A 2080Ti, $1700-$2400!!  With how expensive electricity is in my province, it will cost me literally 3x what I would make in EVGA bucks to run my 1080 24-7 to get these.
 
It was a nice run, but it looks like I'm out because Nvidia priced the cards way too high.

 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 07:41:54 (permalink)
OK, so having cashed in like $600 eVGA bucks because of this program, I feel an obligation to give some honest feedback.
 
I know many people are purely altruistic and will fold regardless of incentive, but there are also many people who do this until the points levels for the eVGA bucks incentives and then stop. I'm one of the "bucks folders". I think eVGA is going to lose a lot of us with the current points levels.
 
First, the points needed and rewards earned should scale linearly, since the costs of folding (electricity and wear and tear) scale linearly. If it's 7M for the first $5, it should be 7M for the second $5, etc. The way it stands, since it's 14M for the second $5, we're doing twice the work to go after that second $5. So, something like x/2x tiers makes more sense than x/3x.
 
Also, obviously the points required made a huge jump this year. I think a big jump was necessary because of hardware advancement, but from 2M/4M to 7M/21M is a bit high, no? Wouldn't something like 8M/16M tiers have made more sense? It's still a rather large jump of 4x the points for the same rewards.
 
My point is that if that second tier becomes too unobtainable, then you're left with basically only a $5 incentive for people to fold. This may not be enough to get (or keep) people who aren't pure altruists in the folding program, especially with all the other uses for GPUs out there. In my specific example, I would have purpose-built a rig for my 980ti to fold full time if there was a chance it could hit the $10 every month, but considering it tops out at only 16M/month, all the effort over 7M would go unrewarded. Because of that inefficiency, I'm starting to look at other ways to take advantage of the card. I also have a 1080ti, but since I actually use it (for training GANs), it's difficult to find time to fill in the points gap. Keeping track of how many points I'd need to max out each month would be annoying and a distraction anyway. So, unfortunately, Year 12 looks like it'll be too inconvenient for me, because of the added trouble from that top-end points level being so high.
 
It'd be a shame to see people leave the folding team because it's been such a win/win for everyone involved, especially eVGA.
 
I know seeing my bucks balance go up kept me loyal to you guys. I would see a sale on a competitor's GPU and then I'd remember "Oh yeah, I got all those eVGA bucks, I should hold off and buy eVGA." Or when the lifetime guarantees on the cards went bye-bye, I would think how reliability wasn't as big an issue with eVGA because I could earn bucks with the cards. Or, when I was "missing out" on the crypto craze, I thought about how I was already getting a stable $10/month for using my card, and was doing it for a not-completely-selfish cause.
 
It's a program that makes your customers feel good (especially when they hit their goals), is great advertising for eVGA, and helps with brand loyalty.
 
So, I'd hope eVGA would continue it in a way where the "bucks folders" can still take full advantage of it, and not half-advantage. Like it or not, they're an important part of the team, and one that won't participate without the proper incentives.
 
I'll stick around for a few months in case the numbers get "dialed in" to a point where it makes sense for me to continue, but just in case, thanks for the program and best of luck!
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 10:13:02 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 10:58:53 (permalink)
the way i see it is the "buck folders" will only hit what they find reasonable. if they stop at 7M for $5 so be it, its still nearly 2x what they did in year 11 for $10. and in all honesty i only see about 20% of EVGA's points per month coming from these "buck folders". so even if half of them stop folding all together the half that stay for the 1st tier will do nearly all the work that those who left would have done before. in all honesty i see it washing out to more or less the same. this is why i was shocked that the didnt double the required points per tier last year.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 11:33:49 (permalink)
EVGA has the right to set whatever they feel for the points system. I'm glad they are still supporting the program. I just hope if this increase is found to be a detriment, they will be open to lowering the top threshold. It will be hard to get those lost back, simply because not all folders check the forums that often.  
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 12:12:33 (permalink)
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Welcome to the Forum
 
 


Thank you sir.
 
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the way i see it is the "buck folders" will only hit what they find reasonable. if they stop at 7M for $5 so be it, its still nearly 2x what they did in year 11 for $10. and in all honesty i only see about 20% of EVGA's points per month coming from these "buck folders". so even if half of them stop folding all together the half that stay for the 1st tier will do nearly all the work that those who left would have done before. in all honesty i see it washing out to more or less the same. this is why i was shocked that the didnt double the required points per tier last year.


Agree with you mostly, except for the part about dismissing bucks folders who leave the team.
 
If 20% of the points come from bucks folders currently, that might be because of the low Year 11 points totals. The low tiers encourage people to max out the points. I think if the points were raised to 4M/8M last year (which would have still been kinda low), you'd have had nearly the same amount of people, with all of them hitting twice the points, so the number would have been closer to 40%.
 
I totally agree that the points should have been doubled last year. But, if they doubled for Year 11 to 4M/8M, then doubled again for Year 12, you'd have this perfect 8M/16M target that others have mentioned. I think 8M/16M would be low enough to keep a lot more of the bucks folders around and high enough to wring close to the max out of each one, because 8M > 7M, and 16M is a logical and far more attainable goal. And, it's still a pretty hefty goal --- that's about 15 days/month out of a 1080ti. A gamer could let their 1080ti fold when they're asleep/at work, and still use it for gaming on the nights and weekends or something, and barely max the points; they'd basically be dedicated to folding 100% of the time they're not using the card. A lot of the people with > 1070 who would find 21M too high, might stay for a 16M goal where they get to use their hardware 8 hours a day.
 
Maybe eVGA doesn't want to, or can't, give as much cash into the program, which is a fair consideration. However, eVGA bucks for folding help eVGA just as much, if not more, than the folders I think. If my hardware can hit the $10 goal for 2-3 years with me still getting some personal use out of it, I'd definitely buy a new card with the bucks and do it again, all the while helping eVGA advertise by dumping points into team eVGA. I don't know eVGA's profit margins, but even just the stable business should be worth something.
 
And, this year there is this special circumstance of the new gen of cards being comparatively expensive, as others have noted. Lots of people probably will hold off on upgrading, try out the red team, or will upgrade to used 10x0 mining cards. I know I'll hold out until 7nm 30x0 to buy another card because of the 20x0 pricing. So, the 21M 2nd tier requirement would probably be prohibitive for single GPU owners for a long time to come.
 
Just trying to be pragmatic about it all. I know that at least in my case, there's no realistic way I can hit 21M points/month in the near future, but I'd gladly produce 16M points a month (or close to it) for the next year if it was the max goal, and would even consider upgrading hardware next year so I could dedicate my 1080ti 100% towards the 32M a month or whatever it would be then.
 
This year though...
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 12:49:07 (permalink)
honestly i am most curious about the next GTX lineup and how they will fold more than this RTX 20XX series of GPUs. so far the 1660ti is a 1070 in terms of performance and if they continue this linup, like i suspect, then the next GTX 70 or 80 or 80ti will be much more cost effective and more inline with normal expectations.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 16:25:45 (permalink)
It,s been a good run but all things come to an end. I am a bucks folder and also did some crunching. In winter I will fold all season long for heat but in West Texas summer it was bucks only fold. New tiers and I am out till next winter. I agree with Henjam as this will cause many to quit.............


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 16:35:41 (permalink)
Maybe add an End of Year Claim and not collect Monthly.
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 16:52:37 (permalink)
i do not want a yearly collection. it would be too easy to miss within a week or 2 after the end.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 16:54:15 (permalink)
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i do not want a yearly collection. it would be too easy to miss within a week or 2 after the end.

Then do YOURS Monthly.

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 17:01:03 (permalink)
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After discussions today, here are the final numbers for the entire Year 12:
 
Tier 1: 7 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2: 21 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
As previously noted, we'll reserve the right to adjust up or down based on the participation and numbers.
 
We greatly appreciate your feedback and passion for advocating for and folding for the EVGA F@H Team, as always. 



Guess I'll have to stop procrastinating and actually upgrade...eventually. As someone who can barely make 4m a month with my current setup, I wouldn't even try at those levels. 

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 17:12:11 (permalink)
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Then do YOURS Monthly.



oh, i thought you meant that as to get rid of monthly over a once yearly collection system.


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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 17:50:38 (permalink)
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bcavnaugh
Then do YOURS Monthly.



oh, i thought you meant that as to get rid of monthly over a once yearly collection system.

I did use the word "add"
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/22 18:38:29 (permalink)
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honestly i am most curious about the next GTX lineup and how they will fold more than this RTX 20XX series of GPUs. so far the 1660ti is a 1070 in terms of performance and if they continue this linup, like i suspect, then the next GTX 70 or 80 or 80ti will be much more cost effective and more inline with normal expectations.


Agreed.  I pretty much posted as much in the thread about the 1660.  My only question with it:  what kind of PPD is it capable of 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 09:44:08 (permalink)
well my 1070 gets about 650000 PPD

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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 10:03:40 (permalink)
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well my 1070 gets about 650000 PPD




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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 10:11:45 (permalink)
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well my 1070 gets about 650000 PPD


I did a little reading on the 1660ti . Its about 10% slower then a 1070 now that is at gaming could find nothing about folding for it .That would put it about the same as a 980ti so would take 2 of them to hit new points  . my 980ti gets between 550k to 630k ppd , In 18 days my 980ti gets just over 10 mil. Here is hoping a 1670 ti is on its way .
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 10:29:52 (permalink)
I think they should gradually work their way to those tiers. Each month they raise the first tier a million, second tier 1.5 million until they reach those goals.
 
@ the 5 month mark, the first tier limits would be activated(7mill), and @ the 10 month mark the second tier(21mill). This way others who currently participate but want to upgrade but can't because of the current prices could in theory still participate and find a deal along the way.
 
21 seems really high but not impossible. 14 million seems about right. 
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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 10:41:02 (permalink)
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I think they should gradually work their way to those tiers. Each month they raise the first tier a million, second tier 1.5 million until they reach those goals.
 
@ the 5 month mark, the first tier limits would be activated(7mill), and @ the 10 month mark the second tier(21mill). This way others who currently participate but want to upgrade but can't because of the current prices could in theory still participate and find a deal along the way.
 
21 seems really high but not impossible. 14 million seems about right. 





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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 10:59:03 (permalink)
as LeeM mentioned in his Post - EVGA will monitor
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After discussions today, here are the final numbers for the entire Year 12:
 
Tier 1: 7 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
Tier 2: 21 million (5 EVGA Bucks)
 
As previously noted, we'll reserve the right to adjust up or down based on the participation and numbers.
 
We greatly appreciate your feedback and passion for advocating for and folding for the EVGA F@H Team, as always. 



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Re: EVGA Folding @ Home Year 12 2019/02/24 15:20:02 (permalink)
Just throwing in my own perspective here. I'm one of the 4mil a month bucks folders (result of means, folding/storage home server is a bit of a tech dream) and not much of a community contributor but I appreciate the EVGA bucks program and these forums are one of the places I look to for information when  has problems or I'm curious how new gear performs for PPD.
 
I fold on a 1070 during the day as I can still run games on my old 660 (ryzen 2600 so cores aren't an issue anymore compared to my now dead FX 4100 thankfully )  and usually hit 4mil in around 15 days after which I get to enjoy and game on my good card again. I also remember having video playback issues in things like youtube and vlc which I associate with exhausting GPU accelerated resources as when I switched to my 660 for video output the issues went away. I try to avoid folding at night as my computer sits in my bedroom and is pretty quiet but not silent and during the summer the extra heat makes sleeping uncomfortable.
 
Doing the maths for what I can expect folding comfortably for a full 30 days at 250k PPD (roughly what I expect in a day) I get 7.5mil points. I can push that to 8mil with a couple overnighters but at this point I wouldn't be able to game on my 1070 at all.
 
I don't have much of an incentive for upgrading to the 20 series as performancewise only 2080 and up seem worthy but are not necessary for 1080p and cost... my whole computer. So buying a new GPU would be for the sole purpose of increasing my PPD instead of improving both my gaming and compute.
 
I'll give the new points goals a shot but as it is there's a chance I'll stop folding as much if it takes too much compromise. I'll also be back when hardware allows though so its not like I'm out forever. Given I have 1 good GPU for everything I think my preference would be about 2/3 month towards folding during the day.
 
tldr:
  • folding secondary in everything (usage and purchases)
  • personal folding limit might be around 12 hours a day for 20 days per month (with 1070 that's about 5mil points?)
  • current 7mil goal is a bit over what I think I'm willing to do, but 4mil wasn't pushing me so we'll see.
  • I would expect as time progresses without upgrading to fall out of being able to reach the goals so no complaints if I'm now out of reach of the larger one.
So that's me, whatever demographic I fit in, there's a datum.


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