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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/05 16:57:10 (permalink)
Any updated when the new Bios will be released
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 08:13:57 (permalink)
I don’t think we know yet, but at least they’re working on it now.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 08:53:12 (permalink)
kram36
 
Post some results now so we can see the difference the bios makes.


 
My Rig is actually 5 years old now :
  • i7 6700k (4.2Ghz Boost)
  • ASUS Prime Z270-P
  • Corsair Dominator 16+16Gb 3200Mhz XMP
  • Corsair AX760 PSU
  • Corsair MP600 1TB SSD M.2
 
3DMark Time Spy Basic Demo test. My total score as expected is much lower because of the above rig bottlenecking my 3080Ti about 30%, so I'll just post Graphics score and some GPUZ results:
 
Stock with maxed power target:
  • BIOS version: 94.02.71.80.8B
  • Nvidia Driver: 471.41
  • Graphics Score: 18 690
  • Power draw ranged from 335w to 365w with max power draw: 371.8w
  • Coreclock average from 1725 to 1830 with max 1935Mhz
  • PCI Slot Power: 65-66w with Max 67.6w
  • #1 8pin: 136-139 with max 145.6w
  • #2 8pin: 139-145 with max 159.1w
  • Max TPD: 106.2%
  • Max GPU Voltage: 1.0810v
  • Max GPU Temp: 76.7C (Hot!!)
 
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 09:24:05 (permalink)
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kram36
 
Post some results now so we can see the difference the bios makes.


 
My Rig is actually 5 years old now :
  • i7 6700k (4.2Ghz Boost)
  • ASUS Prime Z270-P
  • Corsair Dominator 16+16Gb 3200Mhz XMP
  • Corsair AX760 PSU
  • Corsair MP600 1TB SSD M.2
 
3DMark Time Spy Basic Demo test. My total score as expected is much lower because of the above rig bottlenecking my 3080Ti about 30%, so I'll just post Graphics score and some GPUZ results:
 
Stock with maxed power target:
  • BIOS version: 94.02.71.80.8B
  • Nvidia Driver: 471.41
  • Graphics Score: 18 690
  • Power draw ranged from 335w to 365w with max power draw: 371.8w
  • Coreclock average from 1725 to 1830 with max 1935Mhz
  • PCI Slot Power: 65-66w with Max 67.6w
  • #1 8pin: 136-139 with max 145.6w
  • #2 8pin: 139-145 with max 159.1w
  • Max TPD: 106.2%
  • Max GPU Voltage: 1.0810v
  • Max GPU Temp: 76.7C (Hot!!)
 


Links to your test is what we want.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 09:50:50 (permalink)
Andreas_Chr
  • Max GPU Voltage: 1.0810v



You'll need to check the average voltage in Timespy Graphic test 2 to see what the power you're receiving can actually do with it. That's probably a metric just as important as checking power draw. They're two halves of diagnosing your card. 
 
Aruzedragon
Any updated when the new Bios will be released

 
It might take a bit because they're now investigating all 30 series cards and seeing if they can boost performance in all of them or not. 
post edited by KingEngineRevUp - 2021/08/06 09:52:35
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 23:35:12 (permalink)
KingEngineRevUp 
Aruzedragon
Any updated when the new Bios will be released

 
It might take a bit because they're now investigating all 30 series cards and seeing if they can boost performance in all of them or not. 




Ah that's pretty nice of them, Hopefully they can fix the power load balance on the other cards too. Well Here's to EVGA for looking into those issues too.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 23:37:19 (permalink)
kram36
 
Links to your test is what we want.


 
Can't post links or screenshots yet.
 
Let me know what kind of tests I can run again. I'll try to help out as much as I can if it's going to help the engineers out.
post edited by Andreas_Chr - 2021/08/06 23:40:58
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/06 23:59:34 (permalink)
kongfra what is your score?  I have not even tried to overclock mine.

 
3080 ti xc3 
Timespy  - Graphics Score  19658     https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21984587
Overclocks : 1454/1213
Max Temp 67.3 @ 100% fan speeds
Max Memory temp 78c @ 100% fan speeds
368w maximum board power draw
Pin 1 Power Max -151 w
Pin 2 Power Max -152.3 w
Bios V. 94.02.71.80.8C
Driver 471.41
Rebar - off  (with it on my score is a little lower  18,375 /  Graphics Score 19,632 / CPU Score 13,486)
 Will post default scores soon. Currently trying out different drivers. (older vs newer)
post edited by glenn37216 - 2021/08/07 00:16:20
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/08 15:47:54 (permalink)
I have the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra.

I disconnected both RGB plugs from my card and removed the fans in favour of 3x 92mm fans running off my motherboard. My max board power draw is now 20 - 25 watts less than previously.

Will the upcoming BIOS update allow my card to make use of the extra available power or can I flash the BIOS for say the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro?
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/08 20:38:07 (permalink)
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I have the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra.

I disconnected both RGB plugs from my card and removed the fans in favour of 3x 92mm fans running off my motherboard. My max board power draw is now 20 - 25 watts less than previously.

Will the upcoming BIOS update allow my card to make use of the extra available power or can I flash the BIOS for say the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro?




You'd have to ask Kram, he has a air cooled one and a watercooled one and I believe both are running the beta bios. 
 
He would have to test and see the the average voltage of his watercooled card is higher than his air one. But something tells me the answer to your question is no. 
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/08 20:53:12 (permalink)
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gtx690evga
I have the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra.

I disconnected both RGB plugs from my card and removed the fans in favour of 3x 92mm fans running off my motherboard. My max board power draw is now 20 - 25 watts less than previously.

Will the upcoming BIOS update allow my card to make use of the extra available power or can I flash the BIOS for say the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro?




You'd have to ask Kram, he has a air cooled one and a watercooled one and I believe both are running the beta bios. 
 
He would have to test and see the the average voltage of his watercooled card is higher than his air one. But something tells me the answer to your question is no. 


I'm getting the same power usage from both cards with the beta bios. An interesting side note, the Hydro Copper beta bios could not be installed on the Air Cooled card through EVGA's bios update utility. I didn't go any further with trying to use nvflash as I didn't see the need to do so. I just was playing around and somehow the EVGA bios update utility knows if the card is a Hydro Copper or not.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 07:10:18 (permalink)
gtx690evga
I have the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra.

I disconnected both RGB plugs from my card and removed the fans in favour of 3x 92mm fans running off my motherboard. My max board power draw is now 20 - 25 watts less than previously.

Will the upcoming BIOS update allow my card to make use of the extra available power or can I flash the BIOS for say the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro?


most likely yes you will be able to use the extra power.

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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 08:24:14 (permalink)
Any idea if the Hybrid's will ever get the BetaBios love?
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 09:26:25 (permalink)
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Any idea if the Hybrid's will ever get the BetaBios love?


You should expect to get an update release via PX1 at some point in the future. Lee mentioned this previously.

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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 10:19:29 (permalink)
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Any idea if the Hybrid's will ever get the BetaBios love?


When I installed the beta bios on my air cooled card that I put a Hybrid kit on, PX1 saw the card as a Hybrid, only 2 fans instead of 3. So I would say EVGA already has it and rolled the air cooled and hybrid beta bios rolled into one, like Nvidia does with drivers. The bios update utility for the Hydro Copper could not be used on my air cooled card, it said there was no card in my system for that bios when I ran it on my air cooled card.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 10:59:56 (permalink)
Upgraded my bios to 94.02.71.80.8C and now my gpu utilization in multiple games is lower than it was before updating.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 11:41:01 (permalink)
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Upgraded my bios to 94.02.71.80.8C and now my gpu utilization in multiple games is lower than it was before updating.

Context?
Is performance/FPS worse or the same?
Are you using a frame limiter? (If so, then I could see how a higher clock speed from more power would reduce utilization)
Is this a beta BIOS? Or an update pushed through PX1?
post edited by gsrcrxsi - 2021/08/09 11:42:31

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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 16:16:00 (permalink)
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dalab
Any idea if the Hybrid's will ever get the BetaBios love?


You should expect to get an update release via PX1 at some point in the future. Lee mentioned this previously.

My understanding is that we will receive an update this week, maybe as early as tomorrow, for the 3080 Ti XC3-PCB cards.  I believe they were going to add a couple other unrelated UX/bug fix items currently under testing, but we may just release the update with the BIOS updates first.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 17:46:40 (permalink)
Any plans to look into similar power draw improvements for the other 3080s that are pulling less voltage than they could from the PCI-E slot?
Lots of people with 3080 FTW's that wont go over 400w with a 450w board limit.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 18:09:09 (permalink)
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Any plans to look into similar power draw improvements for the other 3080s that are pulling less voltage than they could from the PCI-E slot?
Lots of people with 3080 FTW's that wont go over 400w with a 450w board limit.


I don't have a comment on that at this time.  Let's get the 3080 Ti XC3-based cards squared away first, and give our VGA/BIOS teams some time to also work on ongoing projects and determine if they can fit something like this in.  Beyond that, I don't have further information to give you at this time.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 18:10:58 (permalink)
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I don't have a comment on that at this time.  Let's get the 3080 Ti XC3-based cards squared away first, and give our VGA/BIOS teams some time to also work on ongoing projects and determine if they can fit something like this in.  Beyond that, I don't have further information to give you at this time.

 
That certainly sounds reasonable, and its not a 'no' so its good for me. Thanks for the reply.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 18:15:31 (permalink)
I got from Amazon for 1399$ plus tax. How come 1199$ is the listing price on Evga site. So unfair
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 19:17:50 (permalink)
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I got from Amazon for 1399$ plus tax. How come 1199$ is the listing price on Evga site. So unfair

For what card? And, did you buy directly from Amazon or from a scalper selling through Amazon?


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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 19:26:21 (permalink)
Direct from Amazon. Sold by Amazon llc. 3080ti ftw3
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 19:33:44 (permalink)
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Direct from Amazon. Sold by Amazon llc. 3080ti ftw3


That’s the MSRP for that model you paid exactly what you were supposed to. 1199 is the price for the XC3 model.

But that has nothing to do with this thread.

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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/09 20:59:09 (permalink)
Would be hella nice if there was a new FTW3 bios (500w pls) but you guys with the XC3's certainly need it.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/10 00:14:44 (permalink)
Ooooh, what unrelated fixes? Are we going to have 3rd party RGB control?
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/10 10:48:10 (permalink)
Here's the new version of PX1:
https://www.evga.com/precisionx1/
 
After installing, go to the ReBAR icon at the top, and click the update button.  This will update your card to the latest BIOS for what your card currently shows in PX1.
 
If you installed a hybrid kit on your card, I recommend using the force flash on the BIOS page here first:  https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-30-Series-HYBRIDXOCDefault-BIOS-Thread-m3407542.aspx, and then updating the card through PX1.  Obviously, no need to do this if you purchased the XC3 HYBRID card.
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/10 11:02:14 (permalink)
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Here's the new version of PX1:
https://www.evga.com/precisionx1/
 
After installing, go to the ReBAR icon at the top, and click the update button.  This will update your card to the latest BIOS for what your card currently shows in PX1.
 
If you installed a hybrid kit on your card, I recommend using the force flash on the BIOS page here first:  https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-30-Series-HYBRIDXOCDefault-BIOS-Thread-m3407542.aspx, and then updating the card through PX1.  Obviously, no need to do this if you purchased the XC3 HYBRID card.


Lee, thanks for helping the XC3 guys out. You could have ghosted the community and not responded at all but EVGA really did what EVGA is known for. Great customer service. 
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Re: 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hydro Copper, low power consumption, hidden power cap? 2021/08/10 11:03:48 (permalink)
Also, before anyone asks, yes, there is a BIOS update available for all 3080 Ti XC3 models (3951, 3953, 3955, 3958, and 3959).
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