KingEngineRevUp

speedysloth
This is really exciting to see, I'm glad EVGA was able to figure out a potential problem and a BIOS was able to correct the power behavior. I wonder how much this new BIOS will help cards that were using kinda normal power before? Hopefully we're able to see better behavior where the power limit sits around 350W more often than not for everyone, regardless of previous power behavior.

@KingEngineRevUp, thank you for consistently updating various people's results in the last few pages. They're very helpful.

No problem, hopefully your fix comes soon.

kram36

atfrico
Let me throw the "fixed" alternative option away😅:

You don't know how many times I felt like that with the Hydro Copper card lol.

speedysloth
This is really exciting to see, I'm glad EVGA was able to figure out a potential problem and a BIOS was able to correct the power behavior. I wonder how much this new BIOS will help cards that were using kinda normal power before? Hopefully we're able to see better behavior where the power limit sits around 350W more often than not for everyone, regardless of previous power behavior.

@KingEngineRevUp, thank you for consistently updating various people's results in the last few pages. They're very helpful.

Yep, thanks KingEngineRevUp for compiling the data for us.

Still have to check out the other beta bios on my air cooled card that I put a Hybrid kit on. The bios should still work fine with the Hybrid kit, right?

Real happy for you, imagine if we had any other cars like a Zotac, highly doubt they'd work with a bunch of users on a forum to fix their problem.

Thanks EVGA for helping these guys out.
 
Do hydro coppers still have the fan headers active? If not, I imagine you won't have functioning shroud fans, the pump won't pump and the fans won't spin? Not sure. I don't think I've seen anyone flash a hydro copper bios onto a air cooled card. Maybe everything will just spin at 100%?

KingEngineRevUp

speedysloth
This is really exciting to see, I'm glad EVGA was able to figure out a potential problem and a BIOS was able to correct the power behavior. I wonder how much this new BIOS will help cards that were using kinda normal power before? Hopefully we're able to see better behavior where the power limit sits around 350W more often than not for everyone, regardless of previous power behavior.

@KingEngineRevUp, thank you for consistently updating various people's results in the last few pages. They're very helpful.

No problem, hopefully your fix comes soon.

kram36

atfrico
Let me throw the "fixed" alternative option away😅:

You don't know how many times I felt like that with the Hydro Copper card lol.

speedysloth
This is really exciting to see, I'm glad EVGA was able to figure out a potential problem and a BIOS was able to correct the power behavior. I wonder how much this new BIOS will help cards that were using kinda normal power before? Hopefully we're able to see better behavior where the power limit sits around 350W more often than not for everyone, regardless of previous power behavior.

@KingEngineRevUp, thank you for consistently updating various people's results in the last few pages. They're very helpful.

Yep, thanks KingEngineRevUp for compiling the data for us.

Still have to check out the other beta bios on my air cooled card that I put a Hybrid kit on. The bios should still work fine with the Hybrid kit, right?

Real happy for you, imagine if we had any other cars like a Zotac, highly doubt they'd work with a bunch of users on a forum to fix their problem.

Thanks EVGA for helping these guys out.
 
Do hydro coppers still have the fan headers active? If not, I imagine you won't have functioning shroud fans, the pump won't pump and the fans won't spin? Not sure. I don't think I've seen anyone flash a hydro copper bios onto a air cooled card. Maybe everything will just spin at 100%?

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

kram36

KingEngineRevUp
 
Do hydro coppers still have the fan headers active? If not, I imagine you won't have functioning shroud fans, the pump won't pump and the fans won't spin? Not sure. I don't think I've seen anyone flash a hydro copper bios onto a air cooled card. Maybe everything will just spin at 100%?

Correct, no fan sliders for the Hydro Copper bios. EVGA has a beta bios for the air cooled cards too, but I put the EVGA Hybrid AIO kit on it.

talon951

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

Power isn't reserved. But since in most cases the FTW3 will not hit the full 450w PL, it appears there is no gain in available power by removing fans and RGB power (since there is available power).

For example if the fans and RGB use 15w and the card is running at 420w, then it seems to just bump up to 435w total.

Now if the fix the bios like they appeared to have done for the XC3, then removing fans/rgb will provide more power for the core/mem.

kram36

gsrcrxsi

kram36

KingEngineRevUp
 
Do hydro coppers still have the fan headers active? If not, I imagine you won't have functioning shroud fans, the pump won't pump and the fans won't spin? Not sure. I don't think I've seen anyone flash a hydro copper bios onto a air cooled card. Maybe everything will just spin at 100%?

Correct, no fan sliders for the Hydro Copper bios. EVGA has a beta bios for the air cooled cards too, but I put the EVGA Hybrid AIO kit on it.

GPUz reports fan speeds (zero because no fan is plugged in), so it's possible that fans might work if plugged in. but you wont be able to control them with PX1

I went ahead and put the Air Cooler Beta Bios on my card with the Hybrid kit on it. In Afterburner, it shows two fans to control just like the Hybrid has in PX1. I don't use PX1 because I don't want it doing the firmware update.
 
Went to run the test and forgot I have a 3070 on the motherboard which knocks the 3080 Ti PCIe speed down to PCIe 3.0 x8, so the score isn't good. Will have to pull the 3070 and do the test, but will have to do that later. As far as I can tell from my normal use of video rendering, the 3080 Ti XC3 Hybrid is working identically to the 3080 Ti Hydro Copper. The same clocks I use on the Hydro Copper are producing the same results on the Hybrid. So it seems to be the same bios, just with fan control added to it.

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

kram36
 
I went ahead and put the Air Cooler Beta Bios on my card with the Hybrid kit on it. In Afterburner, it shows two fans to control just like the Hybrid has in PX1. I don't use PX1 because I don't want it doing the firmware update.
 
Went to run the test and forgot I have a 3070 on the motherboard which knocks the 3080 Ti PCIe speed down to PCIe 3.0 x8, so the score isn't good. Will have to pull the 3070 and do the test, but will have to do that later. As far as I can tell from my normal use of video rendering, the 3080 Ti XC3 Hybrid is working identically to the 3080 Ti Hydro Copper. The same clocks I use on the Hydro Copper are producing the same results on the Hybrid. So it seems to be the same bios, just with fan control added to it.

ObscureEmpyre

Well, hopefully there will be a new BIOS for the FTW3. I say this because I have drastically different power draw across multiple AAA titles despite the card being at 99-100% usage.

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KingEngineRevUp

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

THe hydro copper bioses are up on techpowerup under unverified vendor. 
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/235973/235973
 
 
 

kongfra

KingEngineRevUp

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

THe hydro copper bioses are up on techpowerup under unverified vendor. 
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/235973/235973
 
 
 

Is this safe to put on a regulars XC3 air cooled? or better to wait for that specific bios? I would not mind testing it as well.

KingEngineRevUp

kongfra

KingEngineRevUp

ObscureEmpyre

I’ve wondered that myself since I blocked an air-cooled card. I mean, components draw power, so if there’s nothing to draw it I’d imagine that power allocated elsewhere. However, I hope that air cards that become water cards aren’t having power reserved for fans and lights. That’s be annoying if that’s the case, and that’s partly why I’d like 3080 Ti HC BIOS for my FTW3 to test that theory. If anyone knows for certain, please let me know.

THe hydro copper bioses are up on techpowerup under unverified vendor. 
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/235973/235973
 
 
 

Is this safe to put on a regulars XC3 air cooled? or better to wait for that specific bios? I would not mind testing it as well.

No do not use that BIOs, ObscureEmpyre was asking for a FTW3 bios for his FTW3 card he put a water block on. 
 
If you're asking about the beta bios others are using, there is a air cooled one. You'll have to ask and PM someone for it. 

speedysloth

EVGATech_LeeM
The only air-cooled BIOS I have is for the XC3 Ultra.  While I don't expect issues if your flashed that to an XC3 card, I'm also going to play devil's advocate here and suggest that you wait for our team to provide a BIOS specifically for the XC3 cards.  Assuming the general trend follows, the card will pull more power and be able to also hit higher clocks, which might be a bit out of the XC3's range.  Maybe not.  But I'd rather you wait until our team at least confirms to me that there will be a BIOS for each card.

Just to clarify, you mean the air-cooled BIOS that you have is for the XC3 Ultra which is converted to a hybrid card and not 12G-P5-3953?
Thanks

speedysloth

EVGATech_LeeM

speedysloth

EVGATech_LeeM
The only air-cooled BIOS I have is for the XC3 Ultra.  While I don't expect issues if your flashed that to an XC3 card, I'm also going to play devil's advocate here and suggest that you wait for our team to provide a BIOS specifically for the XC3 cards.  Assuming the general trend follows, the card will pull more power and be able to also hit higher clocks, which might be a bit out of the XC3's range.  Maybe not.  But I'd rather you wait until our team at least confirms to me that there will be a BIOS for each card.

Just to clarify, you mean the air-cooled BIOS that you have is for the XC3 Ultra which is converted to a hybrid card and not 12G-P5-3953?
Thanks

No, the 3080 Ti XC3 Ultra (12G-P5-3955)

Ah okay, I didn't know there was a 12G-P5-3955. Can't find it on the website for some reason. Hopefully we're able to get something for the 3953 version as well.