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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 19:29:47 (permalink)
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Hi DSP1,
 
I can confirm that we are on the same page here.  
 
The thermal pads are in no way required and completely optional as mentioned previously, but if a customer would like us to help them with exchanging their card through warranty to install these optional thermal pads then we are willing to do this even though they are not necessary.  We just want our customers to be happy with their product and if lower temps are preferred then we we willing to help with this.
 
I can confirm that Jacob is one of our product managers and he has access to all of the ins and outs and anything that he says is true.  I am just trying to explain that the cards are running within spec and not overheating without this optional mod.
 
 


 Thank you for clearing things up for us, it's much appreciated and helps ease a lot of people's minds. 
 
Any chance you can confirm if we choose to go ahead with the RMA/Exchange of our cards through warranty will we be receiving new or refurbished cards if outside 30 days of purchase?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 19:38:36 (permalink)
Any idea when we can expect the thermal pads to ship?
The weather is heating up here in Australia so i would like them ASAP.
Also still waiting for my free* powerlink to be approved and posted.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 19:44:37 (permalink)
im building my first gaming pc this week. i went with evga everything. this is somewhat concerning considering my choice of gpu is the 1070 ftw. 

will these thermal pads ship with instructions on how to install them? i havent even ordered the card yet but i guess ill be getting these as soon as it arrives. fairly confident i can tackle the job but of course if never disassembled a gpu before. will i also need to buy thermal paste? 

ughhh....

what kind of time frame can we expect these to be shipped in after the request?  
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 19:59:54 (permalink)
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im building my first gaming pc this week. i went with evga everything. this is somewhat concerning considering my choice of gpu is the 1070 ftw. 

will these thermal pads ship with instructions on how to install them? i haven't even ordered the card yet but i guess ill be getting these as soon as it arrives. fairly confident i can tackle the job but of course if never disassembled a gpu before. will i also need to buy thermal paste? 

ughhh....

what kind of time frame can we expect these to be shipped in after the request?  


Yup they will come with instructions although they are going to be posted here on the forums once available. So you'll be able to look it over before receiving the pads in the mail along with the instructions.
 
From what's been advised already it's only pads being sent out. No thermal paste so you will need your own.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 20:09:55 (permalink)
Bit confused now as to which cards may have already been supplied witht the new thermal pads installed.  Purchased my FTW1070 from Amazon (US) in mid-September.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 21:16:43 (permalink)
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Bit confused now as to which cards may have already been supplied witht the new thermal pads installed.  Purchased my FTW1070 from Amazon (US) in mid-September.




None at this point.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 23:31:10 (permalink)
The 1070 FTW DT i own has the Samsung memory, and has been running ok up to this point. However, since i began reading everything heat
related concerning these cards, i have ceased in continuing to play games because i have not removed the card out yet for visual inspection.
I've actually decided to stop using the machine altogether till the pads gets here, and i can do my thing. Not even sure what nasty surprises
might be there yet either. Now if i choose to take EVGA up on a replacement, is it possible i will get a 1070 with Samsung memory ? Whats the
story on the memory side of things ? Have EVGA decided to stick with only one kind, or they are still produced with both ? Can i opt to step up
outside the 90 day period ? Do the newer batches of Pascal cards have the thermal pads installed ? so many questions now lol 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/28 23:41:21 (permalink)
hi,
 
I bought a 1080 gtx ftw 2 weeks ago and i would know if i don't use thermal pad, graphic cards will be hs?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 03:52:57 (permalink)
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Hi DSP1,
 
I can confirm that we are on the same page here.  
 The thermal pads are in no way required and completely optional as mentioned previously, but if a customer would like us to help them with exchanging their card through warranty to install these optional thermal pads then we are willing to do this even though they are not necessary.  We just want our customers to be happy with their product and if lower temps are preferred then we we willing to help with this.
 I can confirm that Jacob is one of our product managers and he has access to all of the ins and outs and anything that he says is true.  I am just trying to explain that the cards are running within spec and not overheating without this optional mod.
 

 
so from the article of www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2661-evga-mosfet-failure-possible-from-thermal-runaway-scenario
We have also been informed that the factory is now making changes to products as they ship, ensuring that new batches of the GTX 1080 FTW and 1070 FTW products will include thermal pads pre-installed.

 
and as shannonjpower asked if we choose to go ahead with the RMA/Exchange of our cards, 
(I have the same question) the cards will replace with the new batces/revisions ?
Because we don't know if the vrm's have torture or others electronic components near the vrm's from the effect of the warm area - overheat and to what effect it can have on lifespan of components!
post edited by panaikas - 2016/10/29 03:57:15
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 06:40:47 (permalink)
well good luck to those FTW-cards which are put in a smaller case with/or low airflow. For example those you get in a typical all-in-one solution in the big electronic-warehouses, sometimes they even have the PSU mounted on the top and no additional exhaust or only 80mm. They are merketed as gaming rigs with good GPU and CPU, but the case, the PSU and mobo are usually weak. Those cases get easily 50-60 C when heated up while gaming...had 2 of them years ago.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 06:59:13 (permalink)
Hello.
Excuse me for bad Engish...
On Evga FTW 1070 better use second BIOS (Slave).there is higher RPM:
Benchmark Metro Redux,temp.in room-22C
1bios (master)-72C at 33%rpm
2bios(slave)-64C at 48%rpm
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 07:18:44 (permalink)
good good...but better make therapy with card...make it healthy again and look like this:
 
 
foto upload
 
thats what component-cooling on a high-end-card should look like. I would never go back to stock cooler. People spend several 100 bucks for their mainboard, but they dont care about the poor pcb, which is actually the mainboard for the gpu. Im still waiting for the day when the 1st company will introduce this as a pre-build custom solution....like they are doing with AIO water-cooling already. This thing would have a huge impact, more sucessful than anything before. EVGA 1080 FTW+Raijintek Morpheus...that thing would win award after award.
 
 
 
post edited by mannitu78 - 2016/10/29 07:24:21
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 08:04:59 (permalink)
 The Note 7 of GPUs :(
In the meantime, if you were planning to buy any dual fan GTX 1080 or GTX 1070 from EVGA we would advise you to hold off that purchase until new units equipped with the thermal mod are rolled out. We would highly recommend that all existing EVGA GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 owners opt for the thermal mod as soon as possible to avoid any hardware damage. Sadly, this and the memory issue which affects GTX 1070 cards from a number manufacturers, including EVGA, makes owners of Nvidia’s most popular card also the least fortunate.
 
http://wccftech.com/nvidi...1070-evga-cards-dying/
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 08:09:55 (permalink)
So any idea when those strips are going to be shipped out?


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 08:46:25 (permalink)
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 08:57:17 (permalink)
Hey.

Are you going to send Powerlinks and thermal pads in the same package? :)
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 09:36:31 (permalink)
FTW 1070 in Overwatch low settings 65c.  In debug mode with same settings, 47c.  Interesting.  So far no crashes in debug mode (3.5+ hours straight gaming).
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 09:51:54 (permalink)
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FTW 1070 in Overwatch low settings 65c.  In debug mode with same settings, 47c.  Interesting.  So far no crashes in debug mode (3.5+ hours straight gaming).


Debug runs the clock at Nvidia stock speeds.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 09:57:25 (permalink)
Ugh, one of my 1070's has started to smell quite funky, sort of a burning/electrical kind of smell that sticks to the back of your throat. Something definitely not right with it but it's still chugging away like a champ so no idea what it is. Definitely one of the GPU's as I swapped it into a PC in another room and after a decent round of BF1 I could smell it again. Might leave this one out until the pads arrive and then take a look at it 
 
For those who have had GPU's die did you notice any smells etc or did it just die?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 10:29:45 (permalink)
another user reports the same contact problem of vram cooling like me and other few users have. you guys should check your own cards. not just 1070 ftw but also 1080 ftw as well as those acx and sc and classified......
 
1080ftw, its owner said recently the card keeps crashing... the owner said he has never modded or disassembled the card ever.

 
 
 
my post
http://forums.evga.com/ga...midplate-m2570619.aspx
post edited by acxcoolerssuck - 2016/10/29 11:02:31
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 13:00:17 (permalink)

 
 
Don't trust technology news sites.
Don't trust fanboys.
 
It's EVGA. I trust EVGA and it will never be a problem.
 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 13:22:32 (permalink)
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good good...but better make therapy with card...make it healthy again and look like this:
 
 
 
 
thats what component-cooling on a high-end-card should look like. I would never go back to stock cooler. People spend several 100 bucks for their mainboard, but they dont care about the poor pcb, which is actually the mainboard for the gpu. Im still waiting for the day when the 1st company will introduce this as a pre-build custom solution....like they are doing with AIO water-cooling already. This thing would have a huge impact, more sucessful than anything before. EVGA 1080 FTW+Raijintek Morpheus...that thing would win award after award.
 
 
 


What a horrible "solution". Using like, 4 slots? Also, there are no pads for the VRM and VRAM. So nothing changes.
 
I have just registered, to talk a bit about misinformation said in this topic. What card do i have? 1070 SC Gaming.
 
Wich cards are problematic? FTW Cards.
Wich are not? The rest.
 
Should you be worried: NO. Should i use the ---> Free <---- solution to use pads for a problem i do not, and probably won't have? Sure.
 
The only post in this topic wich matters is the one about the gap, or flawed connection between preinstalled pads, and the gpu not getting full contact. This is a manufacturing flaw, wich should be RMA'd.
 
If you are really so worried, do a custom fan curve in MSI Afterburner or EVGA's tool. If your card is like mine, there is contact between the pcb and acx cooler. Thus this should provide extra cooling.
On full load, by default, the fans go to a max of 38%. I made a custom curve, now it's around 65 degrees C with fans around 60%. This is the tippingpoint audible-wise.
 
Keep this in mind: The German site used a test wich Nvidia does not condone! That tool does not officially support Pascal.
 
Also as a final note: Remember that EVGA Shipped out 100's if not thousands of cards, and there have only been a handfull of issues. You do not hear from happy users.
 
Edit for user above: well said.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/29 19:55:37 (permalink)
New forum member and first time buyer of a Evga! 
 
I have been building my own pcs since Geforce 2 mx days and pretty much upgraded my graphics card with every generation. Over the last couple of years i have had the Gigabyte G1 series and Asus Strix series graphics card. This 1070 FTW is my first Evga card.
 
From the moment you open the box it screams quality. They include a lot and its packed very nicely. The build quality of the card with the heatsink/fan and backplate is very high. Very impressed with how the card looks and the quality of it.
 
The process of signing up to the site and registering my product/uploading invoice has been pain free/ went smoothly. No other manufactuer goes to this level of detail. I have read many reviews and forums and Evga has the best customer service hands down. Asus and gigabyte are a joke for customer service.
 
I have not played any games in length or stressed the card yet. When i read about the memory issue i was a bit dis heartened but low and behold i have the samsung memory so its a non issue. Now i have just read the 15 pages on here about the over heating issues. Again a bit upsetting as this is a $700 card here in Australia, but as i have not played or stressed the card yet no issues yet.
 
Is there any information regarding the Samsung memory cards not having the over heating issues ? It seems the Samsung cards were the earlier batch of cards and hopefully there is no gap between the plate and Vram!
 
Mods: I just requested my powerlink and thermal pads any chance of combinded postage so we don't have to pay to get them sent out?
 
Even with these issues i'm still happy i have come across to Evga for the customer service alone. I guess at the end of the day even if you card does overheat/blow/melt its still covered by warranty. Lets just hope it doesn't cook any of my other components if it does blow!
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 08:34:00 (permalink)
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mannitu78
good good...but better make therapy with card...make it healthy again and look like this:
 
 
 
 
thats what component-cooling on a high-end-card should look like. I would never go back to stock cooler. People spend several 100 bucks for their mainboard, but they dont care about the poor pcb, which is actually the mainboard for the gpu. Im still waiting for the day when the 1st company will introduce this as a pre-build custom solution....like they are doing with AIO water-cooling already. This thing would have a huge impact, more sucessful than anything before. EVGA 1080 FTW+Raijintek Morpheus...that thing would win award after award.
 
 
 


What a horrible "solution". Using like, 4 slots? Also, there are no pads for the VRM and VRAM. So nothing changes.
 
I have just registered, to talk a bit about misinformation said in this topic. What card do i have? 1070 SC Gaming.
 
Wich cards are problematic? FTW Cards.
Wich are not? The rest.
 
Should you be worried: NO. Should i use the ---> Free <---- solution to use pads for a problem i do not, and probably won't have? Sure.
 
The only post in this topic wich matters is the one about the gap, or flawed connection between preinstalled pads, and the gpu not getting full contact. This is a manufacturing flaw, wich should be RMA'd.
 
If you are really so worried, do a custom fan curve in MSI Afterburner or EVGA's tool. If your card is like mine, there is contact between the pcb and acx cooler. Thus this should provide extra cooling.
On full load, by default, the fans go to a max of 38%. I made a custom curve, now it's around 65 degrees C with fans around 60%. This is the tippingpoint audible-wise.
 
Keep this in mind: The German site used a test wich Nvidia does not condone! That tool does not officially support Pascal.
 
Also as a final note: Remember that EVGA Shipped out 100's if not thousands of cards, and there have only been a handfull of issues. You do not hear from happy users.
 
Edit for user above: well said.




 
No Pads on VRAM and VRM? Have you even got the smallest idea what you are talking about? There are -real- Heatsinks on every single memory chip and a big heatsink over the mosfets. I dont know how anybody can not see it, its more than obvious. And since when is 4 slots a problem? Enthusiasts fill their whole case with tubes and pumps and other things, just to keep things cool.
 
And about the happy users...unfortunatly none of us has access to any data that shows how many cards break or burn.
post edited by mannitu78 - 2016/10/30 08:49:05
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 09:05:14 (permalink)
I have a DT FTW 1080 with the ACX 3.0 cooler. It would seem that I could use these pads.
Don't see where to get them.
I looked under support and the news section.
Ordered me a PowerLink.
But no pads...
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 09:39:55 (permalink)
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I have a DT FTW 1080 with the ACX 3.0 cooler. It would seem that I could use these pads.
Don't see where to get them.
I looked under support and the news section.
Ordered me a PowerLink.
But no pads...


http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 10:21:34 (permalink)
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I have a DT FTW 1080 with the ACX 3.0 cooler. It would seem that I could use these pads.
Don't see where to get them.
I looked under support and the news section.
Ordered me a PowerLink.
But no pads...





Thanks.
Been a while since I took a graphics card apart but I think I can manage.
I think it will actually be fun and I don't have to be without my card.
AND I can put some quality thermal paste on the GPU.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 20:33:48 (permalink)
They are actually quite easy to dismantle. Hardest part was detaching and  attaching the 2 shroud cables to their connectors.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 20:34:25 (permalink)
I own a GTX 1070 FTW. Are you telling me that this card could actually burn down my house?
 
I haven't had any trouble with it---probably because I game in 1080p---but I am really freaked out because I leave my PC on 24/7...
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/30 20:36:18 (permalink)
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I own a GTX 1070 FTW. Are you telling me that this card could actually burn down my house?
 
I haven't had any trouble with it---probably because I game in 1080p---but I am really freaked out because I leave my PC on 24/7...




Luck of the draw mate. Some will kick ass, some will die quietly, others will explode spectacularly. Best you can say is the potential is there.

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