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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:20:37 (permalink)
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How acx - acx2.0 linked with acx3.0 ?
Below pictures of (970-980-1070) FTW & 980ti SC.
As you can see there difference from card to card and especially the thermal pads that are under the baseplate of 1070 (it has a line of thermal pad 5mm).
Compare the baseplate and thermal pads of 1070 with the others




The factory thermal pad is 5mm ?


no, 5mm I mean the width as you can see in picture


 ohhh, ok thanks for clarification! So we do have room for improvement. Is that 1070 yours? could you verify if the thermal pds are indeed touching memories? there should be marks from pressure on them.


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:25:46 (permalink)
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You welcome, no it's not mine and i don't dissamble the card until more informations come out.
From here are the pictures
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.de%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-grafikkarten-roundup%2Ctestberichte-242137-2.html
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:32:55 (permalink)
I just found this post here -> forums.evga.com/What-i-supposed-to-do-with-my-1080-FTW-m2568851.aspx
Indeed there is a problem with thermal pads touching memories. this is concerning. Hes card was indeed operating in high temps. Mines is not, even so I'll check later. 


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:46:22 (permalink)
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Hi guys, I'm a new member in the forums.
I'm kind of worried that my card lifespan is in danger. Should I be worried. Is thermal pad really needed? I don't want to place the thermal pad myself as I don't want to damage the card. I don't have the skills.
 



I would personally recommend anyone with these cards to stop what your doing, and conduct your own visual inspection
before continuing to unknowingly torture your hardware, as those temps cannot be directly monitored otherwise.
Seems this whole thing is subject to a lottery of its own, and the stakes are high, so don't mess about. Do the pads !

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:51:12 (permalink)
I assume any sort of warranty the card is under will remain 100% intact when making these modifications?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:55:23 (permalink)
Correct.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:05:01 (permalink)
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I just found this post here -> forums.evga.com/What-i-supposed-to-do-with-my-1080-FTW-m2568851.aspx
Indeed there is a problem with thermal pads touching memories. this is concerning. Hes card was indeed operating in high temps. Mines is not, even so I'll check later. 




Those images are certainly concerning- if that's what some cards look like it makes sense people are having heat and clocking issues.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:09:25 (permalink)
we paid 400+€ for theese cards and also now we have to make some modding/customization ourself to make it work properly
LOL this is insane
ok i can agree they will send me the pads for the backplate BUT now i have also to check the clearence between mem chips/gpu and heatsink... and maybe change pads with others more thick
i mean this is not 1070/1080 FTW... just invert the F and the W and you get my point (edition)
we should RMA directly if we have this problem and EVGA should replace with new fixed models
post edited by Poliacido - 2016/10/25 12:12:06
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:11:43 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.


My first 1070 FTW when suffering from heat realized that a screw was not totally screwed, i had to change the position of screws to screw it completely, check it.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:48:17 (permalink)
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we paid 400+€ for theese cards and also now we have to make some modding/customization ourself to make it work properly
LOL this is insane
ok i can agree they will send me the pads for the backplate BUT now i have also to check the clearence between mem chips/gpu and heatsink... and maybe change pads with others more thick
i mean this is not 1070/1080 FTW... just invert the F and the W and you get my point (edition)
we should RMA directly if we have this problem and EVGA should replace with new fixed models



I honestly think this does ask a lot of end-users and introduces the potential for a whole slew of other issues. (Did you touch something you shouldn't have? Did you properly apply the pads? Did you properly apply thermal paste? In all areas? Did you put everything back together correctly?) If this is the sort of thing that might typically result in voiding your warranty (But isn't in this case), is this really the right solution?
 
I hear people keep saying too that, "Well, if you don't notice an issue, just remember, it's all within proper limits." But we're still getting these pads offered, which means it's apparently a big enough issue to offer some type of solution.
 
I don't know, It's just not a comforting response.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:51:13 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.


My first 1070 FTW when suffering from heat realized that a screw was not totally screwed, i had to change the position of screws to screw it completely, check it.



I checked the screws. Looks good location, and tight.
 
Normally I can change the thermal pads to bigger.
But first wait the answer from support. They repair it, or I need to repair.
If I repair is more faster, but maybe lose the warranty.
 
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post edited by sedropop - 2016/10/25 12:54:29
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 12:58:22 (permalink)
 
The thing is that I don't want to mess with it. It's EVGA's responsibility to give consumers a reliable card and please give EVGA owners a statement about what the real issue is if there is one.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 13:02:53 (permalink)
so it seems that only a certain batch of 1080 FTWs shipped out with the faulty TIM/Thermal Pads on the memory chips? i recently picked up one; any way to tell if my card is in the faulty batch?
 
also, if we get the thermal pad mod kit and install it ourselves, does this invalidate our warranty on the card? i haven't seen an official response on that.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 13:08:42 (permalink)
So, I checked my 1070 FTW, all pads are touching memories and VRM.
 
My card uses samsung memories, so its early in production line.
Even so, I'll put those pads when (if) they arrive, Better safe than sorry.
 


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 13:13:20 (permalink)
I do not trust more in EVGA after this kind of problem, as suspected if such cooler was efficient now i have not, to start the GPU heatsink blocks the direct airflow in VRAM sink now see problems with thermal pads that have not contact, ultra low TDP, a lot of energy phase for anything.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 13:27:17 (permalink)
iirc when you have more phases and so more vrms those should be cooler than having less power phases like the reference pcb
so i don't understand why the ftw cards are so hot... maybe it is really because they don't have enough cooling on those parts
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 13:52:07 (permalink)
so the issue is that not all of the memory pads on the memory chips and vrm are touching the support plate? here's a pic from thg review with stock pads, which one is EVGA sending? i'm using dual GTX 1070 FTW in sli, my top card usually hovers around 83C and bottom around 74C with no issues, no OC, but i ran both with 2025/8600 for some time as well with same temps and no issues

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:00:55 (permalink)
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Has anyone tested 1070 FTW temps via infrared?


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:01:26 (permalink)
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iirc when you have more phases and so more vrms those should be cooler than having less power phases like the reference pcb
so i don't understand why the ftw cards are so hot... maybe it is really because they don't have enough cooling on those parts


It does have more phases, but it is not a 180W card like the reference.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:03:10 (permalink)
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iirc when you have more phases and so more vrms those should be cooler than having less power phases like the reference pcb
so i don't understand why the ftw cards are so hot... maybe it is really because they don't have enough cooling on those parts


Adding more phases does not reduce heat.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:33:37 (permalink)
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so the issue is that not all of the memory pads on the memory chips and vrm are touching the support plate? here's a pic from thg review with stock pads, which one is EVGA sending? i'm using dual GTX 1070 FTW in sli, my top card usually hovers around 83C and bottom around 74C with no issues, no OC, but i ran both with 2025/8600 for some time as well with same temps and no issues





 
The pads they're sending go on the back plate, not the top plate. 

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:45:41 (permalink)
jesus crist look at those infra red images! 
imgur.com/a/D268D


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:48:40 (permalink)
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so the issue is that not all of the memory pads on the memory chips and vrm are touching the support plate? here's a pic from thg review with stock pads, which one is EVGA sending? i'm using dual GTX 1070 FTW in sli, my top card usually hovers around 83C and bottom around 74C with no issues, no OC, but i ran both with 2025/8600 for some time as well with same temps and no issues





 
The pads they're sending go on the back plate, not the top plate. 


 have applied additional thermal pads between the backplate and the PCB and between the baseplate and the heatsink fins, with the results shown below. We will offer these optional thermal pads free of charge to EVGA owners who want to have a lower temperature.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:51:38 (permalink)
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Does this affect the 1070 ftw? I dont have money to buy thermal paste right now because broke q_q


So you bought a $400 card and don't have $5 for thermal paste? This thread keeps delivering.



My cards were bought for me. I didn't buy them, don't make assumptions. I just don't have money in my online account to buy paste and wont for 2 weeks lol. I guess i'm just waiting.




It's still ridiculous.  Maybe you should have asked for money instead to put in the bank so you can afford a meal or... a $5 tube of paste.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:57:25 (permalink)
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jesus crist look at those infra red images! 
imgur.com/a/D268D




Wow the guy put A LOT of work into this. I think this pic shows the issue quite nicely. 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:58:17 (permalink)
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Does this affect the 1070 ftw? I dont have money to buy thermal paste right now because broke q_q


So you bought a $400 card and don't have $5 for thermal paste? This thread keeps delivering.



My cards were bought for me. I didn't buy them, don't make assumptions. I just don't have money in my online account to buy paste and wont for 2 weeks lol. I guess i'm just waiting.




It's still ridiculous.  Maybe you should have asked for money instead to put in the bank so you can afford a meal or... a $5 tube of paste.





Or you know, these enthusiast grade cards shouldn't have these issues in the first place, they shouldn't be catching on fire.
post edited by Renji1337 - 2016/10/25 15:14:24
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 14:59:32 (permalink)
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 15:18:46 (permalink)
EVGA needs to release FTW hydro copper (blocks only) to customers soon. I know it won't solve everyone's problem but certainly will solve mine. I just can't wait to loop this thing. hopefully backplate will stay attached.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 15:47:19 (permalink)
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iirc when you have more phases and so more vrms those should be cooler than having less power phases like the reference pcb
so i don't understand why the ftw cards are so hot... maybe it is really because they don't have enough cooling on those parts


It does have more phases, but it is not a 180W card like the reference.


Zotac has TDP of 300W msi next 300w which justifies the FTW have 215W?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 17:34:45 (permalink)
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Poliacido
iirc when you have more phases and so more vrms those should be cooler than having less power phases like the reference pcb
so i don't understand why the ftw cards are so hot... maybe it is really because they don't have enough cooling on those parts


It does have more phases, but it is not a 180W card like the reference.


Zotac has TDP of 300W msi next 300w which justifies the FTW have 215W?




TDP is not power consumption. TDP is the amount of thermal energy the cooling solution is designed to dissipate.

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