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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:37:37 (permalink)
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The point he was trying to make was, if "another $5" seems to be all about nothing, then why skimp on installing these
in the first place at the factory. Besides that, if you payed any attention to this forum, you'd realize that there has been
many many posts in regards to the 1060, 1070, and 1080 with temperature issues. So this isn't an isolated issue lol.


1060 issue, I'll call BS on that!! I have 2 running 24/7 folding and no temperature issue. Cards are running ~53-58*c and have been since installation fans on override @ 63%. GPU temperature yes, VRM temperatures don't really care because they are under warranty. If they did have an issue I'm pretty sure I'd have seen it by now. If your overheating a 1060 you better look at your case cooling configuration.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:41:04 (permalink)
I for one have applied for the pads, as i don't think its wise to take a gamble here, so thanks to EVGA for even offering it.
It'l give me some peace of mind in regards to the VRM that can't be monitored, and ultimately extend its life-span
by making a VRM temperature reduction, hopefully, or implode and swallow the universe, either result would be cool !
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:44:10 (permalink)
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1060 issue, I'll call BS on that!! I have 2 running 24/7 folding and no temperature issue. Cards are running ~53-58*c and have been since installation fans on override @ 63%. GPU temperature yes, VRM temperatures don't really care because they are under warranty. If they did have an issue I'm pretty sure I'd have seen it by now. If your overheating a 1060 you better look at your case cooling configuration.



Call it what you want. You may have luck on your side and personally dodged that bullet, but i know many others out there that won't share your opinion or results.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:46:00 (permalink)
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The point he was trying to make was, if "another $5" seems to be all about nothing, then why skimp on installing these
in the first place at the factory. Besides that, if you payed any attention to this forum, you'd realize that there has been
many many posts in regards to the 1060, 1070, and 1080 with temperature issues. So this isn't an isolated issue lol.


Congrats on missing the whole point of my post.

I also suggest you get better at reading the forum since none of what you're claiming has actually happened - a card running higher temperatures is not in itself an "issue". An exploding or dead VRM is an issue and there's been no more than a handful.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:52:58 (permalink)
Hmm joined 2012 and a grand total of 6 posts. You sure that ain't a sock puppet account ? or even worse  an EVGA plant here to do damage control ? 
I don't have the time to scour every single EVGA forum thread related to heat issues just for you and your attitude. Find them yourself, they exist ! 
 
You obviously missed these headlines tho. 
 
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/evga-ftw-1080-and-1070-have-overheating-issues.html
https://www.techpowerup.c...hermal-pads-a-solution
http://www.tomshardware.d...berichte-242137-2.html
 
 
You'd think for the premium price, name, and reputation of the FTW brand, EVGA would've considered installing thermal pads by default.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 06:53:19 (permalink)
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How many people have had VRMs explode - a handful against 1,000s sold. That means it's not a problem. If something happens in the warranty period it will get fixed. After that you're on your own as always.

I'm not mentioned anywhere for vrm explode, but for burnt card (as they said the thermal pads are not necessary) if we not put the pads.
 
Bar81
If you think Asus or any of the other manufacturers would give a crap ( or even offer an option) in this same situation you're deluding yourselves.

At this moment I don't care what the other manufactures do, I get/pay an EVGA gpu. If it was other brand I do the same.
This move the EVGA do to send us the pads it's not to thanks them because the can't do their job correct, from the beginning they have
done the correct control before provide to us final product (QA).
 
Bar81
If his issue was (like most people) - I can't figure out how to / don't want to install additional thermal pads, that's fair. But his issue is he bought a $400 card and now claims he doesn't have another $5. That made me chuckle - one of the more ridiculous things I've heard this week but in all fairness it's not nearly as entertaining as all the meltdowns that have been occurring.

For the friend up with the 5$ for the paste why he must spent extra money? Don't all of us give a big amount of money to get the card?
From the moment they send the pads they must include the paste to the packet and not do half job.
All these thermal pads, paste if from the beginning was correct, general the card and EVGA do their job correct then none of this "noise will made.
 
Something last If there is no problem with the card, why they provides to all of us the thermal pads?
 
The answer below don't covers me
With this being said, EVGA understands that lower temperatures are preferred by reviewers and customers...We will offer these optional thermal pads free of charge to EVGA owners who want to have a lower temperature.
 
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NucleusX
The point he was trying to make was, if "another $5" seems to be all about nothing, then why skimp on installing these
in the first place at the factory. Besides that, if you payed any attention to this forum, you'd realize that there has been
many many posts in regards to the 1060, 1070, and 1080 with temperature issues. So this isn't an isolated issue lol.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 07:07:22 (permalink)
Well, if vrm:s overheating were a general issue where they burned the card down, one could imagine there being a recall and a lot more posts where it had happened.

Sure, it was a weird oversight skipping on vrm cooling when designing that new acx block but atleast theyre trying to remedy the situation.


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:38:32 (permalink)
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Hmm joined 2012 and a grand total of 6 posts. You sure that aint a sock puppet account ? or even worse  an EVGA plant here to do damage control ? 
I don't have the time to scour every single thread related to heat issues just for you and your attitude. Find them yourself, they exist ! 
 
You obviously missed these. 
 



 
 
You'd think for the premium price, name, and reputation of the FTW, EVGA would've considered installing thermal pads by default.


I didn't miss anything. You are overreacting to an issue that so far, appears to be mostly in your head. Find me dozens of people with exploded or burned VRMs and then you can at least begin to substantiate your claims. Being hotter/=overheating. Those articles point to a grand total of one person who had a VRM blow. That's laughable "proof".

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:51:26 (permalink)
lol, i could also accuse you of under-reacting in the face of them facts, maybe even in denial a little. I got no personal interest in turning this into
a heated debate with you or anyone, but i refuse to play down what could essentially be an achilles heel in my expensive premium purchase.
I don't suffer from the memory issues, but it seems apparent from those articles i posted, (from reputable sources might i add ) suggest
that the heat generated by the VRM's mightn't affect the VRM's themselves, but neighboring memory modules, which could be causing the black
screen issues people have been experiencing. If you'd like to ignore all that, then go ahead and play it down with your ignorance, but real issues
are happening here whether you want to admit it or not lol. It is by no means considered excellent engineering cutting corners on thermal solutions.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:53:17 (permalink)
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Hmm joined 2012 and a grand total of 6 posts. You sure that aint a sock puppet account ? or even worse  an EVGA plant here to do damage control ? 
I don't have the time to scour every single thread related to heat issues just for you and your attitude. Find them yourself, they exist ! 
 
You obviously missed these. 
 



 
 
You'd think for the premium price, name, and reputation of the FTW, EVGA would've considered installing thermal pads by default.


I didn't miss anything. You are overreacting to an issue that so far, appears to be mostly in your head. Find me dozens of people with exploded or burned VRMs and then you can at least begin to substantiate your claims. Being hotter/=overheating. Those articles point to a grand total of one person who had a VRM blow. That's laughable "proof".

I do not know the reason is still defending the brand with these temperatures problems, other brands in tests none had temperatures above 70 80 only EVGA two models SC and FTW present overheating, if you think you have no problems get you not come here to call people liars, their negative opinion does not help.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:53:38 (permalink)
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Does this affect the 1070 ftw? I dont have money to buy thermal paste right now because broke q_q


So you bought a $400 card and don't have $5 for thermal paste? This thread keeps delivering.



My cards were bought for me. I didn't buy them, don't make assumptions. I just don't have money in my online account to buy paste and wont for 2 weeks lol. I guess i'm just waiting.
 
I wonder if it will come with instructions on how to apply them/where
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:55:46 (permalink)
As I explained earlier in this thread, the ACX and ACX 2.0 BOTH utilized the same base plate design and heat pipe design. Neither of those suffered this issue. Hopefully EVGA is looking into what is causing this issue. Why would any company add extra thermal tape to an area that has never heeded it in the past? The true question is what is causing this issue to occur if it never happened in the past?

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:57:25 (permalink)
EVGA answered told me that until the moment the 1070 does not have the problems of 1080, same layout, same PCB, components, I'm customer I have a 1070 and I have the same problem of temperature, testing Furmark and OCCT board reaches 81 only in the GPU who knows how much reaches the VRAM and VRM.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 08:58:18 (permalink)
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My cards were bought for me. I didn't buy them, don't make assumptions. I just don't have money in my online account to buy paste and wont for 2 weeks lol. I guess i'm just waiting.


Renji, if you have the ability to send me an address through PM, I will send you a tube. I have lots of small tubes from buying waterblocks and such.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 09:02:17 (permalink)
From today did not buy and do not indicate more EVGA products, showed no respect for the consumer with this kind of response.


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 09:25:43 (permalink)
Hi guys, I'm a new member in the forums.
I'm kind of worried that my card lifespan is in danger. Should I be worried. Is thermal pad really needed? I don't want to place the thermal pad myself as I don't want to damage the card. I don't have the skills.
 
I have the following graphics card that was registered on 10/25/16.
 
Could someone please verify if the following EVGA graphics card was already shipped from the factory with a thermal pad.
Serial Number: [REMOVED]
Part Number: 08G-P4-6286-KR
Part Desc: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0
 
The card was purchased on 10/10/16 and was sent to Israel (Where I live) a day before on 10/9/16.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
 
Edit by Jedi:  Please don't post your serial number in public.  EVGA can look up the s/n if it is registered.
 
post edited by NordicJedi - 2016/10/25 10:29:57
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 09:34:57 (permalink)
Any ETA update?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 09:54:02 (permalink)
I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:03:56 (permalink)
I'm wondering if the 100% fan/black screen issue is being caused by components near the hotspot/VRM being damaged but not outright failing. On my 1070 the resistors in that area caught fire, but maybe on some cards they are damaged without obvious outward damage. Because once people start having the issue it seems to only get worse. If it was just cooling then that wouldn't happen, it seems to point to the fact that something has changed with the card. This is pure speculation but the problem seems to be affecting more than a few people. Of the burnt cards I've seen on here and reddit and a few hardware sites it's always been the hotspot VRM area where the damage appeared.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:08:38 (permalink)
Has anyone tested 1070 FTW temps via infrared?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:09:22 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.




omg another guy with the same problem... guys you are scaring me! Hope this will not be another 10xx ftw problem
need to check my 1070 ftw asap
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:19:16 (permalink)
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I'm wondering if the 100% fan/black screen issue is being caused by components near the hotspot/VRM being damaged but not outright failing. On my 1070 the resistors in that area caught fire, but maybe on some cards they are damaged without obvious outward damage. Because once people start having the issue it seems to only get worse. If it was just cooling then that wouldn't happen, it seems to point to the fact that some has changed with the card. This is pure speculation but the problem seems to be affecting more than a few people. Of the burnt cards I've seen on here and reddit and a few hardware sites it's always been the hotspot VRM area where the damage appeared.


 
This article here is suggesting somewhere along those lines as a secondary effect. Also, The VRM's are rated higher than
the memory modules, so even if the VRM's are operating within their spec, the heat generated by them can effect surrounding
components with a lower temp rating, such as the memory modules, which appears to be the origin of the black screens.
Initially, it was thought that the Micron memory issue was at fault, but the bad reports still came in after the bios update.
 
http://www.guru3d.com/new...verheating-issues.html  
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:46:16 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.




 
Now this, this is something to take a closer look.
Should be pretty easy to fix (thicker thermal pad), but definitely a flaw on ACX design.


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:50:11 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.


Based on this, as a 1080 SC owner, supposing that there may be gaps on my card as well and also that the VRM may be prone to causing trouble with the VRAM temps in this configuration, wouldn't it be a possible solution to just straight up remove the front plate?
 
This may sound stupid (and probably is), but I have a feeling that if fresh air from just the fans may cool the components better than having a metal plate with air gaps basically blocking the heat transfer.
 
Obviously a more elegant, and undoubtedly better solution would be to replace those pads with slightly thicker ones so they actually connect the components with the front plate.
 
And as I said earlier, I understand that most cards probably don't have those gaps.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:52:51 (permalink)
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I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
 
Well this is disappointing.


Based on this, as a 1080 SC owner, supposing that there may be gaps on my card as well and also that the VRM may be prone to causing trouble with the VRAM temps in this configuration, wouldn't it be a possible solution to just straight up remove the front plate?
 
This may sound stupid (and probably is), but I have a feeling that if fresh air from just the fans may cool the components better than having a metal plate with air gaps basically blocking the heat transfer.
 
Obviously a more elegant, and undoubtedly better solution would be to replace those pads with slightly thicker ones so they actually connect the components with the front plate.
 
And as I said earlier, I understand that most cards probably don't have those gaps.


A thicker pad could be used to close any gaps, but you do not want to remove the heat spreader from the VRM'S. they would definitely overheat then.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:54:26 (permalink)
I will check my 1070 FTW asap to see if have those gaps too.
If does, i'll try to figure it out what thickness should be optimal to fix the gap without bending the plate, and post results.
 
I do not have any problems with my card. But as I said before, my old GTX 780sc ACX died because of VRM reasons, I just want to increase the lifespan of my card.


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 10:59:28 (permalink)
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1060 issue, I'll call BS on that!! I have 2 running 24/7 folding and no temperature issue. Cards are running ~53-58*c and have been since installation fans on override @ 63%. GPU temperature yes, VRM temperatures don't really care because they are under warranty. If they did have an issue I'm pretty sure I'd have seen it by now. If your overheating a 1060 you better look at your case cooling configuration.



Well i'll be, i just saw this new thread, thought of someone here and just couldn't help myself.
 
EVGA GTX 1060 6GB ACX 2.0 blew up and caught fire 
 

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:06:30 (permalink)
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As I explained earlier in this thread, the ACX and ACX 2.0 BOTH utilized the same base plate design and heat pipe design. Neither of those suffered this issue. Hopefully EVGA is looking into what is causing this issue. Why would any company add extra thermal tape to an area that has never heeded it in the past? The true question is what is causing this issue to occur if it never happened in the past?


How acx - acx2.0 linked with acx3.0 ?
Below pictures of (970-980-1070) FTW & 980ti SC.
As you can see there difference from card to card and especially the thermal pads that are under the baseplate of 1070 (it has a line of thermal pad 5mm width).
Compare the baseplate and thermal pads of 1070 with the others.
Also the gap at baseplate that 1070 have(hasn't) at vrm location compared with the others is small. The air at 970/980/980ti come straight to vrm's.
 
970ftw acx2
 
 
 
980FTW acx2 


 
980TI SC acx2 


 
1070FTW acx3  
 

 
post edited by panaikas - 2016/10/25 11:17:46
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:10:55 (permalink)
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How acx - acx2.0 linked with acx3.0 ?
Below pictures of (970-980-1070) FTW & 980ti SC.
As you can see there difference from card to card and especially the thermal pads that are under the baseplate of 1070 (it has a line of thermal pad 5mm).
Compare the baseplate and thermal pads of 1070 with the others




The factory thermal pad is 5mm ?


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/25 11:13:59 (permalink)
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How acx - acx2.0 linked with acx3.0 ?
Below pictures of (970-980-1070) FTW & 980ti SC.
As you can see there difference from card to card and especially the thermal pads that are under the baseplate of 1070 (it has a line of thermal pad 5mm).
Compare the baseplate and thermal pads of 1070 with the others




The factory thermal pad is 5mm ?


no, 5mm I mean the width as you can see in picture
post edited by panaikas - 2016/10/25 11:16:53
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