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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 12:53:25 (permalink)
A video showing how to take off the shroud and fan would be helpful, and where to put the pads exactly
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 12:55:32 (permalink)
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A video showing how to take off the shroud and fan would be helpful, and where to put the pads exactly


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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 12:56:24 (permalink)
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My 1070 FTW backplate runs superhot while gaming. I just requested the pads. I hope it will fix the issue. :) I am still going to buy EVGA GPU's only, because of their great customer service. It's a shame these 1070 / 1080 FTW's had some problems. 

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If anything it will get hotter, the thermal pads will allow more heat to transfer to the backplate and heatsink, instead of overheating the components themselves.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 12:57:00 (permalink)
Smooth as ever!
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:08:09 (permalink)
I got a 1070 FTW and I have these issues when playing Wow 4k (max settings):
 
1. Screen may freeze and when it freezes, it also crashes the EVGA precision app.
2. Sometimes black screen, and when this happens you're doomed and a restart is required in most cases.
 
And this heating problem may cause this. Dear EVGA, card is bought 26th of august, 475 euro. To be honest, I am kinda scared it will damage my card sooner or later. 
 
Are there any solutions for this?
post edited by nika006 - 2016/10/24 13:10:51
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:08:18 (permalink)
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Can't say I'm happy with this response. It's literally a band-aid fix. And there's no clarification as to why these cards are running hotter than both competitors and reference cards, especially when EVGA has made claims that non FTWs are not affected because they use a reference board. Doesn't add up. If I'm able to receive a cash refund for my 1070 SC, I will be doing that. Thermal pads are not a suitable solution for a $400 product. 


EVGA specifically stated ACX cards are affected. Blower cards are not. I think you may be reading what someone else wrote and thinking that EVGA said something they didn't. The card tested by evga is a Non FTW card, showing that they are referring to the ACX cooler, not the board.


EVGA reps have stated on Reddit that non FTW cards are not affected because they use a reference board:


"EVGA_Erin  6 points 3 days ago 
No issues with the 1070 base, ACX, or SC models. They're a different PCB from the FTW." (Can't post links here apparently.)




There is a lot of conflicting information that seems like willful obfuscation at this point. Then they made this statement, and showed only a test after thermal pads are applied. If you compare thermal imagining from just about any card and the EVGA 1070/1080s, it's clear that they run hotter than competitors and reference cards. Why? One image and conflicting information doesn't clear that up. It may very well be in spec, but the cooler seems to have faulty design that may very well lead to faster degradation of components or outright failure. Thermal pads are being provided ostensibly because EVGA is an "enthusiast-friendly" brand and they want to ensure optimal temperatures, but even with the pads, they're running hotter than competitors, and an enthusiast product shouldn't require these kind of jury-rigged fixes. 

If EVGA wanted to be clear about it, which I doubt they will, they would need to show the heat levels of their 10X product line, without thermal pads, compared with competitors. If there's no large discrepancy, there's no issue. As it stands, it appears there's an issue and this is a band-aid fix for an inferior product line. 

Without better information, I will be returning my card, and I will encourage others to stay away from this product line.
 
post edited by Subscryber - 2016/10/24 13:18:30
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:20:19 (permalink)
Thanks EVGA, 
Bios updates, and thermal pads. Ability to fix issues as and when they arrive is why I bought EVGA this time.
I'm sure my card will be fine, but if not I know you will have my back for the next 3 years.  So Thanks.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:23:16 (permalink)
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A video showing how to take off the shroud and fan would be helpful, and where to put the pads exactly




I agree...
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:23:27 (permalink)
^  This is why I have bought EVGA over the years.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:27:35 (permalink)
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A video showing how to take off the shroud and fan would be helpful, and where to put the pads exactly




I agree...


 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:29:29 (permalink)
I have a 1070 FTW for three months with completely normal temperatures, full load prolonged use and 60º-62º with fans on 60-70%. I understand that my card is not affected correct? I dont need request the pads?
 
I'm happy with it despite some annoying coil wine, but sorry, I'm not willing to manipulate if the card is affected.
 
Thanks for the help
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:46:05 (permalink)
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Here is where you can request the thermal pads:
 

 




Thanks.
 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:50:53 (permalink)
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My setup, 3x noctua industrials for case fans: http://i.imgur.com/l8kK4UU.jpg

I was reaching 73 degrees with fans on the gpu at like ~40% boosted to 1962 Mhz, ambient room temp around 22-24 degrees. I only ever tried adding 100+ to the core and that worked without changing anything else in benchmarks. But it went black screen in Tomb Raider at stock and then I just sent it back to my retailer.


Try adding more fan speed to your gpu. 40% is low. Push it to 60% more air movement will make for more optimal airflow over the gpu.



Already sent it back to the retailer should have a response by the end of the week if I can exchange it for a proper brand. If the card overheats on stock settings without an additional OC in a well ventilated case then it's defective product no questions asked.


The fans are meant to go up to 100%. At 40%, they are only meant to keep the temperatures below the 80c mark, and they are doing that. People screamed that they wanted quiet gpu's, so evga made them quiet, and now they are screaming that the card gets hot compared to a GPU with faster/louder fans. The user is required to find the happy median for the best results. Every user will want something different, which is why settings can be changed.



So you're telling me that unless you make a custom profile for the fan the card will crash/burn/explode if you try use it for any kind of gaming/benchmarking at stock settings in a case with well above average airflow. Wow sounds like a good deal, a stock profile should keep the card safe in a average ventilated case no matter the case.




Hmm... Did you buy an SC or FTW card? Or do you have a FE blower reference card?

This is why Nvidia is banking money on people this year with their new FE... It should thankfully eliminate the blame-game on topics like this.

If you own a non-fe card, as a user, you SHOULD understand that a 'custom fan-curve' is probably *best* since your card is 'custom' after all and is expected to run at a higher speed than otherwise specified.

Also, the default fan-curve *will* kick it, but only after reaching 60-70-80 degrees.

Now, assuming your SC/FTW is structurally sound to begin with, this is fine to allow default fan-curve to run its course until it reaches high temps 65c+ to finally kick the fan into *HIGH* gear to keep temps AT or slightly below 65c.

I own 2 1070SC's and they 'burn' fine and idle at 27c-
 
My custom /aggressive profile keeps temps at 48-52c at 70 percent fan-speed... I like these rates cause it reduces the likelyhood of my cards throttling naturally; anyway, my point is, CHOICE. EVGA has given the user *choice*... Don't complain about having more choices man... its the best gift we could ask for.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:55:10 (permalink)
One more question ... as we open the gpu:
- Who  thermal paste EVGA recommends to put the card again ?.
- And yo, That thermal paste recomend for a 1080 classified?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 13:57:51 (permalink)
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One more question ... as we open the gpu:
- Who  thermal paste EVGA recommends to put the card again ?.
- And yo, That thermal paste recomend for a 1080 classified?
Thank you



Any good quality thermal paste should be fine.  I'll be using Arctic Silver 5.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 14:09:24 (permalink)
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One more question ... as we open the gpu:
- Who  thermal paste EVGA recommends to put the card again ?.
- And yo, That thermal paste recomend for a 1080 classified?
Thank you




 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 14:11:03 (permalink)
me too i need some thermal pads to apply on my evga 1060 sc mini itx , wich  been tested here : 
 
i'm very afraid that without those pads , the card will overheat .
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 14:14:05 (permalink)
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Can't say I'm happy with this response. It's literally a band-aid fix. And there's no clarification as to why these cards are running hotter than both competitors and reference cards, especially when EVGA has made claims that non FTWs are not affected because they use a reference board. Doesn't add up. If I'm able to receive a cash refund for my 1070 SC, I will be doing that. Thermal pads are not a suitable solution for a $400 product. 


EVGA specifically stated ACX cards are affected. Blower cards are not. I think you may be reading what someone else wrote and thinking that EVGA said something they didn't. The card tested by evga is a Non FTW card, showing that they are referring to the ACX cooler, not the board.


EVGA reps have stated on Reddit that non FTW cards are not affected because they use a reference board:


"EVGA_Erin  6 points 3 days ago 
No issues with the 1070 base, ACX, or SC models. They're a different PCB from the FTW." (Can't post links here apparently.)




There is a lot of conflicting information that seems like willful obfuscation at this point. Then they made this statement, and showed only a test after thermal pads are applied. If you compare thermal imagining from just about any card and the EVGA 1070/1080s, it's clear that they run hotter than competitors and reference cards. Why? One image and conflicting information doesn't clear that up. It may very well be in spec, but the cooler seems to have faulty design that may very well lead to faster degradation of components or outright failure. Thermal pads are being provided ostensibly because EVGA is an "enthusiast-friendly" brand and they want to ensure optimal temperatures, but even with the pads, they're running hotter than competitors, and an enthusiast product shouldn't require these kind of jury-rigged fixes. 

If EVGA wanted to be clear about it, which I doubt they will, they would need to show the heat levels of their 10X product line, without thermal pads, compared with competitors. If there's no large discrepancy, there's no issue. As it stands, it appears there's an issue and this is a band-aid fix for an inferior product line. 

Without better information, I will be returning my card, and I will encourage others to stay away from this product line.
 


I had not seen anything posted on reddit, as I don't use that platform at all, so I had no idea that statement was made and I apologize for not realizing it previously.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 14:16:32 (permalink)
Does GPUZ or HWInfo64 monitor VRM temps? I dont think Afterburner does, but i could be wrong
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 15:11:05 (permalink)
When I try to order the thermal pads, my 1080 FTW does not show for selection after login. therefore I cant submit a request (tried Chrome, Firefox, and MS Edge). Is this offer only for US market? I Have previously managed to request a powerlink. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 15:25:09 (permalink)
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Also, the micron issue was an Nvidia issue. EVGA had no control over that unfortunately. Thankfully a bios update has been applied to help everyone that has micron memory.



Could you elaborate on that please? 
Did Nvidia forced EVGA to use Micron memory? If not, is EVGA dependent on Nvidia regarding the VBIOS?
 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 15:40:42 (permalink)
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Also, the micron issue was an Nvidia issue. EVGA had no control over that unfortunately. Thankfully a bios update has been applied to help everyone that has micron memory.



Could you elaborate on that please? 
Did Nvidia forced EVGA to use Micron memory? If not, is EVGA dependent on Nvidia regarding the VBIOS?
 


Probably not. He's a moderator, not an employee of EVGA or Nvidia. EVGA's comment from the product manager is that they use multiple memory suppliers depending upon whatever factors they deem appropriate. Yes EVGA was dependent upon Nvidia regarding the VBIOS. Remember, EVGA also has warranty for defects from Nvidia which would include a BIOS fix for this issue.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 16:22:57 (permalink)
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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.


Nothing in particular, just wanted to be sure about this points.  
 
Thanks for the answer! I thought that it would be that way.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:09:28 (permalink)
Thank you EVGA, and Thank you Jacob. I submitted my request, as card was registered all I had to do was tick one box. That was it. 1 minute later a confirmation email.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:23:13 (permalink)
ordered the pads.
 
kinda stoked now that i have a legitimate reason to take my card apart. 
 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:27:00 (permalink)
I just tried to request the thermal pads for my 1070 SC. I get "YOU HAVE NO QUALIFIED REGISTERED PRODUCTS" in response. Just to confirm, the 1070 SC shouldn't have the same heat issues, right? I'm not wanting to melt my card (or house) because of improper cooling when I purchased this card specifically for its cooling.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:33:56 (permalink)
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When I try to order the thermal pads, my 1080 FTW does not show for selection after login. therefore I cant submit a request (tried Chrome, Firefox, and MS Edge). Is this offer only for US market? I Have previously managed to request a powerlink. Any help would be appreciated.




 I live in Japan, and the page worked wonderfully. Didn't even need to write anything as card was registered. Got a confimation email right after.
I can only guess that the time you tried the server was overloaded, or something like that? I did it a few minutes ago using Chrome, just give it another go, should work soon, I hope. Sorry, not very helpful of me I know, but just to confirm it is NOT only the USA or Europe. Good luck!

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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:49:17 (permalink)
So I have EVGA 1080 SC, have had it since July I haven't had any black screen crashes but this news worries me a bit.   Is this an issue that affects me or is it only on the non founders pcb layouts on the FTW and Classified cards?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 17:59:41 (permalink)
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A video showing how to take off the shroud and fan would be helpful, and where to put the pads exactly



It will be interesting on how EVGA handles this. I have broken down my card for optional cooling and that it is not really difficult, some people however are not wired for such a task.

It's a ton of screws and the TIM has to be separated and either just smooshed together and hope for the best or cleaned and reapplied?





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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW? 2016/10/24 18:04:18 (permalink)
Wow, looking through build pictures, found "blueing"


 
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