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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 08:57:46
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I can't help but think back to when i saw a few complaints about coil whine, and how interesting it was when mentioned that some
Pascal cards where inducing the coil whine in the PSU instead. Some even resorted to swapping out their PSU's to deal with it.
I'd like to see some tech site do a comprehensive analysis focused on only the power delivery stages of Pascal, its certainly interesting.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:18:26
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Something else that's interesting, Inno 3D came up with this, and look where they decided to place the 4th fan. (VRM's) 
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:26:02
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Interesting, reminds me of the Gigabyte GTX680 SOC with it's side mounted tiny screamer fans lol.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:28:55
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Damn images, having trouble lol. .png)
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:40:47
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Interesting, reminds me of the Gigabyte GTX680 SOC with it's side mounted tiny screamer fans lol.
God that thing was hideous, did they actually make a practical difference ?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:41:30
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reading the tomshardware.de full review comparison , the EVGA has high VRM temp, but the Zotac has higher temp and Zotac didn't say anything about that.
Full temperature comparison:
Zotac GTX 1080 AMP Xtreme VRM 106.9c
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW VRM 106.8c
Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 has hot spot 97.8c / VRM 82.9c
MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X has hot spot 96.7c / VRM 98.2c
Gigabyte GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming VRM 83.2c
Palit GTX 1080 Game Rock hot spot 82.6c / VRM 76.9
Galax GeForce GTX 1080 HoF VRM 75c
Yes, but only in Furmark. If you look at the Zotac run on Metro:LL, where the FTW cards keep scoring over 100 C, the temps are down to some of the better temps in the field: 88,9 C
It's a very logical result of the Zotac AMP! Extreme having a 270w power delivery instead of the FTW at 215w. Furmark maximizes the power draw to whatever the board can push, but is not a realistic gaming load. The much lower VRM temps on the Zotac actually show that the cooling is well designed around the normal TDP limits of Pascal, and that its VRM section is heavily over engineered. Pascal BIOS will never allow the card to draw 270w, so the only reason you'd ever see VRM temps over 100 C on the Zotac AMP is when you are using modded BIOS and hardware volt/TDP bypass mods - which immediately voids the warranty.
In addition, if you have been paying attention, it is the GDDR5 next to the VRM section that creates issues at high temps, not the VRM itself. Even though 100 C is hot, its usually within spec for VRM which is rated for 105-120C (or more), while GDDR5 is rated at 95 C.
And then you keep the EVGA solution WITH the added thermal pads next to this, and you can see why there's reason to say ACX 3.0 is a crappy cooler design.
http://www.tomshardware.d...erichte-242137-12.html
"Pascal BIOS will never allow the card to draw 270w" who told youe about that? zotac amp extreme stock bios has already 300w power limit. this is official settings but not modded.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:44:29
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I just received my 1070 SC Black edition and the thermal request page says this:
YOU HAVE NO QUALIFIED REGISTERED PRODUCTS
Is any of the black edition owner had any chance ordering them ?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:47:20
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I just received my 1070 SC Black edition and the thermal request page says this:
YOU HAVE NO QUALIFIED REGISTERED PRODUCTS
Is any of the black edition owner had any chance ordering them ?
Have you registered you GPU and uploaded your receipt?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 09:52:47
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 10:16:31
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reading the tomshardware.de full review comparison , the EVGA has high VRM temp, but the Zotac has higher temp and Zotac didn't say anything about that.
Full temperature comparison:
Zotac GTX 1080 AMP Xtreme VRM 106.9c
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW VRM 106.8c
Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 has hot spot 97.8c / VRM 82.9c
MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X has hot spot 96.7c / VRM 98.2c
Gigabyte GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming VRM 83.2c
Palit GTX 1080 Game Rock hot spot 82.6c / VRM 76.9
Galax GeForce GTX 1080 HoF VRM 75c
Yes, but only in Furmark. If you look at the Zotac run on Metro:LL, where the FTW cards keep scoring over 100 C, the temps are down to some of the better temps in the field: 88,9 C
It's a very logical result of the Zotac AMP! Extreme having a 270w power delivery instead of the FTW at 215w. Furmark maximizes the power draw to whatever the board can push, but is not a realistic gaming load. The much lower VRM temps on the Zotac actually show that the cooling is well designed around the normal TDP limits of Pascal, and that its VRM section is heavily over engineered. Pascal BIOS will never allow the card to draw 270w, so the only reason you'd ever see VRM temps over 100 C on the Zotac AMP is when you are using modded BIOS and hardware volt/TDP bypass mods - which immediately voids the warranty.
In addition, if you have been paying attention, it is the GDDR5 next to the VRM section that creates issues at high temps, not the VRM itself. Even though 100 C is hot, its usually within spec for VRM which is rated for 105-120C (or more), while GDDR5 is rated at 95 C.
And then you keep the EVGA solution WITH the added thermal pads next to this, and you can see why there's reason to say ACX 3.0 is a crappy cooler design.
http://www.tomshardware.d...erichte-242137-12.html
"Pascal BIOS will never allow the card to draw 270w"
who told youe about that?
zotac amp extreme stock bios has already 300w power limit. this is official settings but not modded.
Yes, and when you look at OC power draw, it never exceeds 225w on the GPU alone as Pascal limits the core voltage anyway. You will be running into core clock limitations or temp limits before you pass 225w. Board power =/= package TDP. The point still stands - not a single game will exceed that power draw and result in VRMs over 100 C on the Zotac board. They can do better, but the FTW still stands out in a negative way because it has those temps even in regular gaming at max utilization.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 10:16:46
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I just received my 1070 SC Black edition and the thermal request page says this:
YOU HAVE NO QUALIFIED REGISTERED PRODUCTS
Is any of the black edition owner had any chance ordering them ?
Have you registered you GPU and uploaded your receipt?
Do we really need to upload a receipt for them to send out thermal pads? Surely serials are enough? I have 2 1070 FTW's registered but I have't uploaded the receipts yet.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 10:32:12
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thermal pads requested, EVGA power link is also requested for a while now... i don't mind installing them myself, my card so far is functioning perfectly and if it should unexpectedly go all Samsung on me i can still RMA it. just to be on the safe side and for better temps i'll install these pads myself, but i require at least a printout or some picture guide where exactly the pads are supposed to go for each GPU model. "additional thermal pads between the backplate and the PCB and between the baseplate and the heatsink fins" ...is a pretty vague statement. i expect a bit more here than just some thermal gunk in a plastic bag.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 11:08:33
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I just received my 1070 SC Black edition and the thermal request page says this:
YOU HAVE NO QUALIFIED REGISTERED PRODUCTS
Is any of the black edition owner had any chance ordering them ?
Have the same issue. Is there any word about the black edition? Does the lack of backplate mean this isn't an issue to begin with?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 11:09:22
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Evga should provide a very detailed instructions on how to apply the thermal pads from A to Z, even if they can make a tutorial video, it will be better as not everyone can do this process by himself to avoid any wrong installation.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 11:11:18
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Relax....They have never left their customers hanging.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 12:31:55
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For the moment no one can give you an answer because neither evga give us something. We all wait EVGA for a detailed tutorial.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 12:41:43
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Do we really need to upload a receipt for them to send out thermal pads? Surely serials are enough? I have 2 1070 FTW's registered but I have't uploaded the receipts yet.
You should always upload your receipt when you register. It doesn't matter what the situation is, it needs to be uploaded to complete the registration process.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 15:33:06
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thermal pads requested, EVGA power link is also requested for a while now...
i don't mind installing them myself, my card so far is functioning perfectly and if it should unexpectedly go all Samsung on me i can still RMA it.
just to be on the safe side and for better temps i'll install these pads myself, but i require at least a printout or some picture guide where exactly the pads are supposed to go for each GPU model.
"additional thermal pads between the backplate and the PCB and between the baseplate and the heatsink fins"
...is a pretty vague statement.
i expect a bit more here then just some thermal gunk in a plastic bag.
I second every single word (in that exact order, too) from this posting.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 16:35:28
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I have 2 GTX 1080 FTW with heating issue. Not at all happy with support.
Seems to me they only read the first line. First they tell me the bottom card
always gets hotter, as there was nothing wrong with the cards, then another
guy takes over the support and say the top card always get hotter. Okey..
GPU2 is a lot hotter and is throttling below stock speed with default setting,
no matter what card is GPU2 and with open case. Support was stalling so that
I missed out on returning them to Amazon. These cards have cost me close
to $2000 with shipping and customs, so I`m not particularly happy about this...
I just want 2 new cards with waterblock and be finished with this nightmare.
Have been told to RMA the cards, but ASIA RMA returned errors, and I can
only hope that the support number I asked for at US site will be usable for
my ASIA RMA...
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 16:47:55
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ZeroBANG
EVGA power link is also requested for a while now...
Maybe when you read the fine print you'll catch on about the power link.................
As usual you have to scroll down the page, see nice pictures of your cards and how much it cost for shipping to Canada aso.,only to find this message at the bottom: "Sorry, we do not ship to your country."...
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 17:01:01
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To request Powerlink in these countries:
Australia, China, Hong Kong, Japan, New Zealand, Taiwan, Indonesia, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, India.
go to:
->asia.evga.com/articles//01058/evga-powerlink-promotion/
You must have your invoice uploaded.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/27 18:45:14
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Starting to think that having to dismantle my new GPU (1070 FTW ACR) to stick in the thermal pads is a little bit crazy.
I think I might send it back to Amazon for a refund. Sorry EVGA, but my confidence is a bit dented.
Heard good things about the MSI 1070 - any other suggestions?
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 02:54:27
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Starting to think that having to dismantle my new GPU (1070 FTW ACR) to stick in the thermal pads is a little bit crazy.
I think I might send it back to Amazon for a refund. Sorry EVGA, but my confidence is a bit dented.
Heard good things about the MSI 1070 - any other suggestions?
Palit's Jetstream/SuperJetStream is priced similar to the FTW and has hands down the best cooling solution. VRM temps are below 80 C at full load (!) and GPU as cool as the FTW. It has 1x 8 pin instead of 2x 8 pin, but on air you will get the same clocks out of it, generally. Also, they are all Samsung VRAM. The MSI Gaming X is also a good one, but more expensive in general and there is no real reason for it to be. Asus ROG Strix OC also a very solid cooling solution, same price level as the MSI. Note that the Palit has some fan spin-up issues but running constant 20% instead of 0db mode is inaudible anyway and removes that issue. I'm on the fence between the MSI and Palit offerings, I may wait abit and hold on to my 780ti after all for a month or two, see what prices do.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 02:56:24
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I cant find the information if GTX 1070 SC Gaming is also affected with this issue?
If yes, I will send card back (got it from Amazon, so I have 30 days time to send back)
I just want to avoid to get problems in few months, because then I have to send the card for RMA and that will take time. For sure 3 weeks. I want live without PC so long
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 02:57:15
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nawagadj
Starting to think that having to dismantle my new GPU (1070 FTW ACR) to stick in the thermal pads is a little bit crazy.
I think I might send it back to Amazon for a refund. Sorry EVGA, but my confidence is a bit dented.
Heard good things about the MSI 1070 - any other suggestions?
Palit's Jetstream/SuperJetStream is priced similar to the FTW and has hands down the best cooling solution. VRM temps are below 80 C at full load (!) and GPU as cool as the FTW. It has 1x 8 pin instead of 2x 8 pin, but on air you will get the same clocks out of it, generally. Also, they are all Samsung VRAM. The MSI Gaming X is also a good one, but more expensive in general and there is no real reason for it to be. Asus ROG Strix OC also a very solid cooling solution, same price level as the MSI.
I'm on the fence between the MSI and Palit offerings, I may wait abit and hold on to my 780ti after all for a month or two, see what prices do.
palit released micron bios update.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 03:01:22
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nawagadj
Starting to think that having to dismantle my new GPU (1070 FTW ACR) to stick in the thermal pads is a little bit crazy.
I think I might send it back to Amazon for a refund. Sorry EVGA, but my confidence is a bit dented.
Heard good things about the MSI 1070 - any other suggestions?
Palit's Jetstream/SuperJetStream is priced similar to the FTW and has hands down the best cooling solution. VRM temps are below 80 C at full load (!) and GPU as cool as the FTW. It has 1x 8 pin instead of 2x 8 pin, but on air you will get the same clocks out of it, generally. Also, they are all Samsung VRAM. The MSI Gaming X is also a good one, but more expensive in general and there is no real reason for it to be. Asus ROG Strix OC also a very solid cooling solution, same price level as the MSI.
I'm on the fence between the MSI and Palit offerings, I may wait abit and hold on to my 780ti after all for a month or two, see what prices do.
palit released micron bios update.
Perhaps, but I haven't seen a single Palit with Micron memory on it.
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 03:58:18
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first 1080 I had was a palit jet stream that I returned to get the 1080ftw, then I returned that because of the black screen fan issue and got my classified....... just wish I kept the palit as it ran cooler and was still boosting to the same clocks as both my evga cards do . Also it dose not suffer from any of the problems were seeing on here..........
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Re: bad(HOT) PCB Layout on GTX 1070 FTW?
2016/10/28 06:08:40
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sedropop
I heard this temperature problems, and I checked my EVGA card.
(EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0)
And I found some gap between the Memory and the thermal pad.
Well this is disappointing.
i have got the same problem too....
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