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2020/12/17 23:06:17 (permalink)
Posted this elsewhere but hoped this would have higher visibility.
 
While using the LN2 BIOS and cranking the Power Target/Limit in both Precision X1 and later on Afterburner (assuming it was a Precision X1 issue) to 120%, I've noticed that GPU-Z continually shows my issues being capped at 108.1% Power Target, occasionally a VRel or VOp PerfCap Reason, but primarily it's because of not being able to hit the power target. I'm using a 1000W Seasonic Prime Platinum PSU and an i9-9900KF so power draw shouldn't be an issue at all, but it's just beyond frustrating having my hybrid kit FTW3 3090 outperform the K|NGP|N card because it refuses to go to the 120% power target I've set.
 
Also - coil whine on this thing is a huge, huge turn off right now. The coil whine on the GPU is louder than 6 fans on the 360mm radiator keeping the card cooler than 50C under heavy load.
 
Any suggestions on how to remedy this? I've tried DDU and a fresh install of drivers but no dice so far.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 01:08:50 (permalink)
I'm having the same insane buzzing noise on mine, I thought it was something besides coil whine because it's so crazily loud. You can hear it over everything in the room, not just the fans. I'm calling support tomorrow as everything I do results in a crash right now though after DDU, reinstalls, remounts, etc and plan on asking them.
 
In the few times that it did work to launch a PR run, I also had the same effect. I think about 109% was the maximum I saw during a run that lasted long enough to not crash immediately. If I had a working card, I'd do a few more tests to see.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 04:03:45 (permalink)
So this would explain the mediocre performance of my card.
On the LN2 bios, the max power draw I have ever seen was 454W in multiple benchmarks. 
GPU-Z shows Pwr PerfCap on every run.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 04:30:09 (permalink)
Same problem with power draw on my card. Right around 460w board power is the maximum before power throttling starts. Running an undervolt at 1075mV for PR runs right now to prevent power throttling but its hurting my score. Hit a wall at 14800, cannot go further without getting the portable ac unit out or opening a window next to the PC for sub ambient. No coil whine issues thankfully, card is very quiet. This feels A LOT like the bugged 500w bios on my FTW3. I run the XC3 bios on that card as a workaround. 
 
I'm using a 1200w P2 PSU with custom 16awg cables that I built.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 06:29:39 (permalink)
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Same problem with power draw on my card. Right around 460w board power is the maximum before power throttling starts. Running an undervolt at 1075mV for PR runs right now to prevent power throttling but its hurting my score. Hit a wall at 14800, cannot go further without getting the portable ac unit out or opening a window next to the PC for sub ambient. No coil whine issues thankfully, card is very quiet. This feels A LOT like the bugged 500w bios on my FTW3. I run the XC3 bios on that card as a workaround. 
 
I'm using a 1200w P2 PSU with custom 16awg cables that I built.




I half reluctantly pulled the trigger on my opportunity at a kingpin yesterday, I really hope I don't regret it. Already have a FTW3 Hybrid that is doing all the same things as others have stated. Power wall and aggressive down-clocking despite low temps. This premium card better not face the same problems...
 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 06:49:21 (permalink)
I don't see 500+ on PR or anything in 3dMark.  Moment I fire up Furmark and run the short little 4k test, it pulls 500-520 consistently.  
 
I'm not seeing any downclocking though .. it's a rock solid clock throughout PR or even when gaming.   
 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:05:00 (permalink)
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I don't see 500+ on PR or anything in 3dMark.  Moment I fire up Furmark and run the short little 4k test, it pulls 500-520 consistently.  
 
I'm not seeing any downclocking though .. it's a rock solid clock throughout PR or even when gaming.   
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/653446


Can you share a screenshot from GPU-Z with "PerfCap Reason" when running PR on the LN2 bios?
 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:07:59 (permalink)
agree with stickboy. Run Furmark and it'll use 500-520 watts. 3d mark benchesalmost Always sub 500 watts
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:44:02 (permalink)
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agree with stickboy. Run Furmark and it'll use 500-520 watts. 3d mark benchesalmost Always sub 500 watts


The problem here is not a 520W power draw in 3DMark but constantly hitting PL at 450W on the LN2 bios.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:49:25 (permalink)
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agree with stickboy. Run Furmark and it'll use 500-520 watts. 3d mark benchesalmost Always sub 500 watts


The problem here is not a 520W power draw in 3DMark but constantly hitting PL at 450W on the LN2 bios.




What is the PCIE slot power draw? That is one of the issues floating around and has yet to be officially addressed AFAIK. Some cards are showing a draw above "spec", and it's believed to be triggering the power limit. 
 
If you read through the 3090 XOC BIOS thread, you will see what I'm talking about. 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:52:41 (permalink)
Just now - 82,7W
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 07:56:07 (permalink)
Have you checked this thread ?  The K|NG has arrived.
 
 
What benchmark are you using to load the GPU ?
 
 
Not sure LN2 BIOS helps on standard cooling (above 0 C)

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:11:36 (permalink)
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Just now - 82,7W


 
Now, i really don't know if this has anything to do with it, I'm just relaying what I have read here and elsewhere. 
This is from Sajin's thread mentioned above when someone asked what the PCIE slot power draw was. 
You would need to read into it and draw your own conclusion and maybe reach out to support to see if they can help. 
 
"Pulled like 56w at stock clocks on the LN2 vbios"
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:19:57 (permalink)
If you can keep the card cold  the 360 aio keeps the card from down clocking 0 to very little. here a PR score with  0 down clock.http://www.3dmark.com/pr/654917 . The card runs over 520 and up to about 540 watt on 520 watt bios.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:32:58 (permalink)
sounds like you guys got duped by EVGA again

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:34:15 (permalink)
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sounds like you guys got duped by EVGA again


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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:44:21 (permalink)
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Just now - 82,7W


 
Now, i really don't know if this has anything to do with it, I'm just relaying what I have read here and elsewhere. 
This is from Sajin's thread mentioned above when someone asked what the PCIE slot power draw was. 
You would need to read into it and draw your own conclusion and maybe reach out to support to see if they can help. 
 
"Pulled like 56w at stock clocks on the LN2 vbios"


Thanks! I'll contact their support.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 08:54:20 (permalink)
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Not sure LN2 BIOS helps on standard cooling (above 0 C)


The “LN2” bios isn’t really an LN2 bios. It’s not the same bios they used when they had Steve and Jay actually overclocking them on LN2. It’s 520W on a card with a 360mm AIO radiator. Strix is 480W on fully air cooled card.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:09:48 (permalink)
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Not sure LN2 BIOS helps on standard cooling (above 0 C)


The “LN2” bios isn’t really an LN2 bios. It’s not the same bios they used when they had Steve and Jay actually overclocking them on LN2. It’s 520W on a card with a 360mm AIO radiator. Strix is 480W on fully air cooled card.


Again, the problem is that we're not getting anywhere near the 520W limit. It peaks around 450W and doesn't come close to the 120% power target allowed by the LN2 BIOS.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:12:24 (permalink)
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Again, the problem is that we're not getting anywhere near the 520W limit. It peaks around 450W and doesn't come close to the 120% power target allowed by the LN2 BIOS.


I know. He seemed to be saying the reason people aren’t able to get the full 520W is that it you need to be below 0C to take advantage of the LN2 bios. I was explaining to him that the LN2 is only LN2 in name and has a power limit that is barely any higher draw than a fully air cooled card.

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:28:49 (permalink)
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Again, the problem is that we're not getting anywhere near the 520W limit. It peaks around 450W and doesn't come close to the 120% power target allowed by the LN2 BIOS.


I know. He seemed to be saying the reason people aren’t able to get the full 520W is that it you need to be below 0C to take advantage of the LN2 bios. I was explaining to him that the LN2 is only LN2 in name and has a power limit that is barely any higher draw than a fully air cooled card.



Ah gotcha, yeah I misinterpreted that. Sorry!
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:32:07 (permalink)
I really wonder if this is fixable with a better BIOS. It's wild to me that a mere 40 w difference separates these two cards, one on air and one on water, and seeing the KP is "overbuilt" and designed to handle all this power + equipped with a huge AIO. It can't even get out of its own way. It's like having a governor on a supercharged car. If my KP doesn't perform and no BIOS update or news comes my way I'm returning it.  For a $2000 card my expectations are MUCH higher.

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:38:48 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Cool GTX 2020/12/18 09:56:56
Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:42:57 (permalink)
Yeah that sucks...sorry man.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 09:45:53 (permalink)
Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 
post edited by Chamidorix - 2020/12/18 09:51:02
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 10:10:04 (permalink)

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 10:11:18 (permalink)
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Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 




As I've said above, I'm following all of this closely. I hope to hear more about this because I'll be doing the same with my KP that is coming Monday. I'll just stick with my FTW3 Hybrid if this is the case.

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 10:13:56 (permalink)
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Make sure you people are running timespy extreme to test power draw. It is unlikely, but possible, that a your kingpin won't ever draw 520W on port royal at stock voltage (1.1 or lower), it is only a 1440p bench. 
 
Furmark artificially annihilates memory and cache power (fbvdd and msvddd) which, if you care to destroy your sanity keeping up to date on the FTW3 XOC thread, does not seem to be tied with pci-e slot power like the core/nvvdd does. So getting higher power in Furmark isn't really practically relevant, while timespy extreme (4k dx12 gaming rasterization) is. 
 
All these apologists always ignore the simple fact that a Asus Strix or MSI trio will EASILY coast to and cap at 520W (after flashing kpe bios) on Timespy extreme even at sub 1.1V. When shunting to remove power limits we know 3090s tend to use around 600W+ on 1.1V on TSE at ~40-50c (golden bins excluded).  
 
As someone with a shinny new kpe that finally just arrived this morning, I'm now personally invested in finding out if we can get some confirmation that someone has a kingpin that won't hit 520W on the 520W bios in Timespy Extreme, because it absolutely should. Otherwise it is staying in the box for a free return. 




As I've said above, I'm following all of this closely. I hope to hear more about this because I'll be doing the same with my KP that is coming Monday. I'll just stick with my FTW3 Hybrid if this is the case.




Confirmed at both stock clocks and a +150 / +800 OC that it only ever hit about 108.9% during Time Spy Extreme testing.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 10:46:59 (permalink)
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Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.




Did they make any comments about the power draw? 

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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues 2020/12/18 11:15:20 (permalink)
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Just spoke with EVGA Support over the phone, card is unfortunately going to have to be RMA'd (both for the insanely loud buzz and the lack of power draw).
 
Sad day.


I'm also in the RMA process for mine, but for crashing/BSODs and the crazy loud buzzing noise, neither of which was present on the FTW I had in 3 days ago.
 
Your power draw matches up with what I saw pretty well: 109% and you said 108.9%
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