I recently got a kingpin. Aside from my oled screen blanking out after a firmware update its performing really well.(hopefully this is a just a firmware fix). How do am I able to determine if my cards crippled as being discussed in this thread.
Here is screen shot of gpu-z after runing Time spy extreme.
I never hit oowerlimit as a perfcap reason. With my ftw3 ultra gaming. I always hit powerlimit and my pcie slot power was always above 80watts.
 
I think this card is working fine although i did not get 520watts and didnt get the full 121% tdp on this run, I think this card is doing ok. Please tell me my card is fine :) 14992 at 110 core and 1000mem. I think I still got some room. No voltage changes

jollib
I recently got a kingpin. Aside from my oled screen blanking out after a firmware update its performing really well.(hopefully this is a just a firmware fix). How do am I able to determine if my cards crippled as being discussed in this thread.
Here is screen shot of gpu-z after runing Time spy extreme.
I never hit oowerlimit as a perfcap reason. With my ftw3 ultra gaming. I always hit powerlimit and my pcie slot power was always above 80watts.
 
I think this card is working fine although i did not get 520watts and didnt get the full 121% tdp on this run, I think this card is doing ok. Please tell me my card is fine :) 14992 at 110 core and 1000mem. I think I still got some room. No voltage changes

That's some unicorn bin. If you've done NOTHING else except switch to LN2 bios and raise clock and memory that's a crazy bin.

LN2 bios, 121%, same settings as previous poster. This is pretty ridiculous. Doesn't even hit 91% and Power Limits.
 
I did notice that all power limits seem to correspond to voltages being read from 12.4 down to 12.3. The EVGA G3 850W is absolutely more than capable of handling the power. Is there something I can do to tell the card NOT to power limit when it detects the .1v drop from the source?
 

boyleusa

Sajin
My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.

Sajin does your card go over 450w without using the classified tool? I can understand having to make some adjustments with the tool to make best use of the 520w LN2 power limit but out of the box my card will not go above 450w without using the tool which just doesn't seem right? I have checked the LN2 bios version is correct and the power limits are set.
 
I had expected to fine tune the card to get the most out of it but having to resort to voltage adjustment to even start to get over 450w is not great but I'm not sure if it is a valid reason for an RMA. I have started a ticket but support is now closed on weekends so will see what they say Monday... 

Based on jollib's post, it seems like it SHOULD be able to. I can tweak all day long in the Classified tool and even though the bios should have a hard limit of 520W it definitely exceeds that by a large margin without increasing temps at all. It makes no sense across the board. Doesn't matter what anything is configured to. As soon as there's full load (or whatever it thinks is full load) card power throttles, it's obviously not power throttling though since I can go beyond whatever it is currently at. Makes me think it's incorrectly reading something somewhere. I've owned A LOT of 3090's. 3x FE's, 2x FTW3 Ultras, 2x FTW3 Ultra Hybrids and now a Kingpin. ALL of them have had power throttling issues and I am unsure why. Again, can't be the power supply since I can force it to exceed the limit anyway and draw more power.

jollib
I’m running a push pull config for fans I forgot to mention. But other than that ln2 switch 110core 1000mem 121% power limit 100% fans. I have to look but I think my voltage slider was all the way up on px1. Here is my pr link https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662619


I really hope they can fix my OLED with firmware. I’m really happy with the results I’m getting then.

Can you run the classified tool and screenshot your CURRENT values?

The classified tool can be used although I have personally not seen anyone from EVGA actually provide it here. It's just floating around.  It's the 1000w XOC BIOS that we are unclear about. Have not seen anything concrete about warranty issues. Previous gen would void it, Sajin says it will void it. But have yet to see anything from EVGA about it. If you were to get the BIOS then have your OLED screen break or the AIO pump takes a ****, that would be terrible if your warranty was void if any of those issues happen. I understand frying the card but if something else goes wrong and your warranty is void because you asked for the BIOS, that would suck. But at least I sort of expected that. I also would hope that EVGA would provide a BIOS that may be in-between the XOC and 520W "LN2" that would not void your warranty but that's just a hope. One leaked last gen but it took a while so maybe another will leak. Actually they have one that is floating around but nobody can flash it yet. 
 
They really need a pinned post about the Kingpin. It's like they said here it is, good luck. 

Ok let me get my OLED issue fixed before I run any tool that could possible void my warranty. I don’t know what else the px1 firmware did on the card that may cause issues.

jollib
Don’t want to run it if it voids warranty? Is there somewhere I can verify that running it is ok. :)

Unless your going sub ambient. I do not think you have a reason to need it. If your going to sub ambient warranty shouldn't be something to think about. 

Oh I was gonna run it to show current numbers for the people that asked here.

So let me try to understand this. why would I need to hit 520w power limit, if I’m already getting pretty good consistent clock speeds when running PR or TSE. I didn’t break 500w to get my current score in PR. Wouldn’t power draw be a concern only if I was hitting 520 and getting low scores. Sorry for hijacking the thread btw.

jollib
So let me try to understand this. why would I need to hit 520w power limit, if I’m already getting pretty good consistent clock speeds when running PR or TSE. I didn’t break 500w to get my current score in PR. Wouldn’t power draw be a concern only if I was hitting 520 and getting low scores. Sorry for hijacking the thread btw.

if you're getting a nice fat thick green throttle bar in GPU-Z, then your performance is definitely being held back.
I'm not talking about a green throttle bar in 30 FPS benches like Superposition 4k Custom-->Extreme textures or Timespy Extreme (these seem to throw up a power limit even on 600W bioses/mods--Sajin said that these can be removed by increasing MSVDD and MVDCC, which makes a lot of sense since it seems to be the memory / soc's getting hammered here).  I'm talking about in regular Timespy (NOT the two small green throttle bars at the beginning--those seem intentionally driver related), and Port Royal.
 
With +200 to core and +1000 to RAM, I can see Port Royal doing "some" throttling at 600W and a bit more at 550W, but with +0 core and +0 memory on the 520W LN2 vbios, PR should not throttle at all.  Unless the default clocks are something like 2050 mhz (boost at 50C) and 10000 mhz memory (equal to +250 mhz memory on FE cards).
 
If you don't mind doing a little work, please do the following:
 
1) Open GPU-Z, click the mouse on the wattage fields until it says "max" in green for each one.
2) Open HWinfo64 (sensors only), mouse down to the GPU field, and have the TDP% and TDP Normalized % (GPU-Z does NOT show Normalized! Only hwinfo does!) showing.  Bonus points if you can have the voltage rails showing also.
 
3) Run Timespy and take a screenshot with the GPU-Z and HWinfo64 windows open right after the bench ends, with your score visible.
 
4) Run Port Royal and do the same thing (remember to press "RESET" on GPU-Z and hwinfo BEFORE running the second bench run).
 
5) upload a screenshot on imgur.com and post the direct link to it (from the album).

boyleusa

Sajin
My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.

Sajin does your card go over 450w without using the classified tool? I can understand having to make some adjustments with the tool to make best use of the 520w LN2 power limit but out of the box my card will not go above 450w without using the tool which just doesn't seem right? I have checked the LN2 bios version is correct and the power limits are set.
 
I had expected to fine tune the card to get the most out of it but having to resort to voltage adjustment to even start to get over 450w is not great but I'm not sure if it is a valid reason for an RMA. I have started a ticket but support is now closed on weekends so will see what they say Monday... 

Yes, I can make the card hit 508w in tse on stock voltages by pushing the card to its maximum clocks for that benchmark.

Sajin
Yes, I can make the card hit 508w in tse on stock voltages by pushing the card to its maximum clocks for that benchmark.

What kind of air temps are you feeding the rad?

808sting

Sajin
Yes, I can make the card hit 508w in tse on stock voltages by pushing the card to its maximum clocks for that benchmark.

What kind of air temps are you feeding the rad?

60-70f

Kylearan

jollib
So let me try to understand this. why would I need to hit 520w power limit, if I’m already getting pretty good consistent clock speeds when running PR or TSE. I didn’t break 500w to get my current score in PR. Wouldn’t power draw be a concern only if I was hitting 520 and getting low scores. Sorry for hijacking the thread btw.

if you're getting a nice fat thick green throttle bar in GPU-Z, then your performance is definitely being held back.

Unfortunately, no one seems to know WHY it's happening for some cards and not others. All of my 6+ 3090's have done this but people posting online about how they get no throttling. I have to undervolt to get rid of power limit, on any of my cards.