johnksss
Power draw test in 85F room...
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John from NBR right?
(i'm falkentyne)
 
Can you try changing your MSVDD to 1.12v and your FBVDD (MVDCC) to 1.4v and see if you still get that thick green throttle bar in Timespy Extreme?
Sajin said that changing those voltages in the classified tool will help with that...

After tinkering around with Classified a bit more I may have found some ideal voltages to clear 15K in Port Royal (of which I finally did, and hit 15,042 here: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55237155?)
 
NVVDD - 1.125
FBVDD - 1.400
MSVDD - 1.1375
NVVDD OCP and MSVDD OCP Disabled.
 
Had to play around with MSVDD quite a bit more to keep stability in check and it's definitely not intended for gaming from what I can tell due to the downclocking happening right around 50C. I had to pump the Push/Pull 360mm AIO that came with the K|NGP|N to about 95% fan speed just to keep these temperatures in line.
 
If it weren't for the obnoxious buzzing from the pump I'd probably just keep this card and not deal with an RMA, but that buzz is beyond loud.
 
*edit*
 
Confirmed that by reducing fan curve back to normal, not-so-jet-planey levels the max I could get up to was about 14,806 on PR with a +140/+400 offset instead of the +175/+1000 offset I had prior. The usual 37 second mark in the benchmark crashed the run as it tends to with unstable clocks. Not sure what else I can do about that but at least with these voltages I'm getting a much more consistent high 14K PR score under normalized circumstances which I'm fine with until some other fix comes about.

Sajin

Kylearan

johnksss
Power draw test in 85F room...
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John from NBR right?
(i'm falkentyne)
 
Can you try changing your MSVDD to 1.12v and your FBVDD (MVDCC) to 1.4v and see if you still get that thick green throttle bar in Timespy Extreme?
Sajin said that changing those voltages in the classified tool will help with that...

Where did I say using those voltages will help pwr throttle?

You mentioned it somewhere farther up, specifically with MSVDD and FVBDD increasing allowing the full 520W of power draw.
Thus possibly increasing those voltages also helping with heavy 4k loads (like Superposition 4k--Extreme shaders custom, and Timespy Extreme) :)
I don't remember the post, but it was you who mentioned those voltages first.

Kylearan

Sajin

Kylearan

johnksss
Power draw test in 85F room...
(Right click and open image in new tab to see full screen)

John from NBR right?
(i'm falkentyne)

Can you try changing your MSVDD to 1.12v and your FBVDD (MVDCC) to 1.4v and see if you still get that thick green throttle bar in Timespy Extreme?
Sajin said that changing those voltages in the classified tool will help with that...

Where did I say using those voltages will help pwr throttle?

You mentioned it somewhere farther up, specifically with MSVDD and FVBDD increasing allowing the full 520W of power draw.
Thus possibly increasing those voltages also helping with heavy 4k loads (like Superposition 4k--Extreme shaders custom, and Timespy Extreme) :)
I don't remember the post, but it was you who mentioned those voltages first.

I talked about increasing the voltages using the classified tool to hit the 520w limit. I said nothing about increasing voltages to get around pwr throttle.

I never said it was a dud. I just said it wasn't as great as others.

Kylearan

jollib
So let me try to understand this. why would I need to hit 520w power limit, if I’m already getting pretty good consistent clock speeds when running PR or TSE. I didn’t break 500w to get my current score in PR. Wouldn’t power draw be a concern only if I was hitting 520 and getting low scores. Sorry for hijacking the thread btw.

if you're getting a nice fat thick green throttle bar in GPU-Z, then your performance is definitely being held back.
I'm not talking about a green throttle bar in 30 FPS benches like Superposition 4k Custom-->Extreme textures or Timespy Extreme (these seem to throw up a power limit even on 600W bioses/mods--Sajin said that these can be removed by increasing MSVDD and MVDCC, which makes a lot of sense since it seems to be the memory / soc's getting hammered here).  I'm talking about in regular Timespy (NOT the two small green throttle bars at the beginning--those seem intentionally driver related), and Port Royal.
 
With +200 to core and +1000 to RAM, I can see Port Royal doing "some" throttling at 600W and a bit more at 550W, but with +0 core and +0 memory on the 520W LN2 vbios, PR should not throttle at all.  Unless the default clocks are something like 2050 mhz (boost at 50C) and 10000 mhz memory (equal to +250 mhz memory on FE cards).
 
If you don't mind doing a little work, please do the following:
 
1) Open GPU-Z, click the mouse on the wattage fields until it says "max" in green for each one.
2) Open HWinfo64 (sensors only), mouse down to the GPU field, and have the TDP% and TDP Normalized % (GPU-Z does NOT show Normalized! Only hwinfo does!) showing.  Bonus points if you can have the voltage rails showing also.
 
3) Run Timespy and take a screenshot with the GPU-Z and HWinfo64 windows open right after the bench ends, with your score visible.
 
4) Run Port Royal and do the same thing (remember to press "RESET" on GPU-Z and hwinfo BEFORE running the second bench run).
 
5) upload a screenshot on imgur.com and post the direct link to it (from the album).

Running these tests now. I was actually hitting powerlimit. When you select max value for perfcap it always says idle. Since I was away from it long enough the green bar was away from the screen.... gonna upload my tests soon as per request

Sajin
I interpret dud as defective.

Fair enough.

And i hit 15k exactly!!!
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55242776
I need to do more testin with ram and core. i cant get core higher than 110...

 

If I am understanding some of the comments correctly, the following actions would void warranty?
 
1) Applying for the XOC BIOS from Vince?
2) Using the Classified Tool Software?
3) Altering the DIP Switches on the back of the card from default positions?
 
If I remember correctly, when the 3090 K|ngp|n card was announced, EVGA/Jacob said the XOC BIOS would be released to the public?
 
Thanks,
Monnie

LVNeptune

jollib
If they don’t benchmark the same. I’m going to wait to see if they can fix it. Crossing figures it’s my current setup...

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55224728?
 
this is after 6 hours of tweaking today.

rip

I gotta pitch in here because there's a lot of complaints about something people don't understand.  This is NOT an issue like the FTW3 hitting a power limit at 420-440W.  The card is NOT hitting power limit but it CAN depending on a few things:
 
1) Your GPU Bin
2) Your voltage
3) Type of load
 
Run your highest overclock with superposition custom with shaders set to extreme and you should max out your power limit.  I've had 2 KingPin cards in my hand.  One didn't go above 460W with the highest clock it was capable of.  That chip could only do 2130-2145 max.  But if I used the classified tool to up the voltages, it would go up past 500W.  So there is nothing limiting you from hitting 520W other than your chip not being to clock high enough and the workload in question not being particularly power hungry.
 
I've had a total of 6 RTX 3090s in my possession for testing.  Asus Strix, FE, 2x FTW3 Hybrid, 2x KingPin Hybrid.  One of the FTW3s I had was a very good overclocker.  I could do 2130MHz at 0.975v.  But even on that, using the XC3 bios, trying to push a run through PR at 2130-2145MHz, I'd be getting a ton of green power limit perfcap in GPU-Z.  On the KingPin I'd do the run locked at 2190MHz and only have a few slim power limited bars. 
 
So I'm going to repeat:
 
- There is no issue with the KingPin cards not being able to hit 500W+ unless there is a different issue your specific card has.  In general, the KingPin Hybrid cards are using less power than other card variants that I've tested.
 
- You can't RMA your card for a bad bin.  These cards are only binned for 2100MHz.  If they were binned for guaranteed 2200MHz+ they'd be charging more than just $200 over the bargain bin quality FTW3 board (no offense...but it's true).  Is it disappointing to get a card that only clocks to 2130-2145 like my first KingPin?  Yes.  But there is no guarantee above 2100MHz.
 
- You can't RMA your card for "not pulling enough power."  Because it can pull more power.  Your chip just isn't clocked high enough to need to pull it.  Again...unless there's something specific to your card that is different from the vast majority of claims being made in this thread.  No green power perfcap limit in GPU-Z?  You're NOT being artificially limited by the card.
 
Just so you don't think I'm defending the KingPin and EVGA for no reason....let me share some concerns I do have with the card:
 
- The fans that come with the FTW3 Hybrid are 7-8W fans.  The fans on the KingPin card are 2.4w fans.  This is beyond garbage.  After a few minutes of basic overclocking on it, my temps were up to like 56C and climbing with fans at 100%.  Under those settings with my own fans connected to my own fan controller, temps were 42-44c pretty much stable.
 
- There seems to be a big problem with overclocking this card where it desyncs.  So you *think* you're getting a certain clock/voltage, because that's what it's reporting, but internally it's downclocked heavily.  I did a lot of testing on static scenes and monitoring of power consumption to get it working properly.  But with my card, but buddy was doing "above 2200MHz" runs while scoring 13200 in PR.  It's a very weird behavior that I noticed when OC'ing both his KingPin and my own.  Very frustrating until you figure out how to control it.
 
Overall...the KingPin is actually a well designed card.  It has an amazing AIO cooler with a substantially better radiator/pump than on the FTW3 Hybrid.  But you do have to replace the fans.  And there's no guarantee of getting above 2100MHz.  Because while my original KingPin did 2100MHz at 0.975v which is decent, I definitely couldn't get anything above 2130-2145 stable.
 
So understand what you're buying.  And set your expectations.  And don't rage out about something that is little more than a misunderstanding.  Right now people seem to have trouble deciding if they want to be mad that a card IS hitting a power limit and they want a higher limit bios released, or complaining that they're NOT hitting a power limit, but wish they were for some reason. 
 

Hey there. I’m getting ready to buy the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N HYBRID. So you are saying this is worth the buy?

MonnieRock
If I am understanding some of the comments correctly, the following actions would void warranty?
 
1) Applying for the XOC BIOS from Vince?
2) Using the Classified Tool Software?
3) Altering the DIP Switches on the back of the card from default positions?
 
If I remember correctly, when the 3090 K|ngp|n card was announced, EVGA/Jacob said the XOC BIOS would be released to the public?
 
Thanks,
Monnie

1. Yes.
2. Hard to prove if you never state you used it.
3. Probably hard to prove as well.

TheHyperMatrix
[snip...]

 
The fans are "not so good".  Change the fans and use an external fan hub.  Silverstone makes a decent cheap & small unit that you can tie to the card for PX1 custom fan control.
https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?area=en&pid=526
 

808sting
My advice is not to get hung up on power limits and don't overdo voltage tweaks.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55242288
 
I think I have a decent chip compared to others at similar temps.  Using PX1 and LN2 bios with 190-GPU/1000-MEM.  Ave 2235 with peaks of 2250 with starting temp at 18c idle with VRM and MEM in the low/mid 20s.  Ave board power usage is 470w.  I wouldn't recommend brute forcing voltage at office level ambient air(25c) with OCP disabled to get around power limits.  By right, the card's warranty is void due to Classified tool usage if something dies.  The intent to disable OCP is for LN2.  Keeping temps low is key if you don't have a golden silicon lottery chip.  It's deminishing returns unless you go chill water or LN2 since daily gaming at this extremes are not practical.
P
Performance cap is vREL and vOP.  Not ready to use Classy or request XOC.  I want to make sure the card is solid since it's 2 days old.
 
So far, gaming at 25c room ambient and 150-GPU/800-MEM is stable.  This yielded PR 15004.  Doom Ancient Gods GPU hovers around 2175-2190, Ultra everything, except motion blue with HDR on.  Haven't tried Cyberpunk, yet.  Once you've establish your GPU baseline, you'll know how much you can push it.
 
 

Proceeds to post a ridiculous score from a lottery chip.