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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 14:06:17
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Wow. Someone shared their results with the 1000W VBIOS on a power limited FTW3, and the results are not great (and no I won't share who). The XC3 VBIOS was better for their card for benchmarking even though the 1000W VBIOS was indeed pulling ~520W. Lower average clock speed attained, and it was about 4C hotter with very short tests vs their normal max temperature. Oh, and over 90W(!!!!) sustained, not spikes, PCIE slot power draw. Which begs the question - what do Kingpin cards get for PCIE slow power draw on this 1000W VBIOS?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 14:20:29
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Speculations...but without voltage control the 1K bios is only good for unlocking the power constraints. It does not add the needed voltage to go along with it.
As to the sustain power draw....I think it's the memory. If one down clocks that by say -400 or more, then the watts should drop to 30 or so. As long as boost lock is off. (KPE - Not sure about others)
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 15:23:37
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Just finished some tinkering with voltages and whatnot in Classified with my new RMA card and oddly enough aside from the pump buzz and minor coil whine (introduced now with the new card, oh well I guess you can't win them all) - it actually outperforms my last K|NGP|N on the silicon lottery. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55339776? is the new score at 15,101 on just the AIO, no custom loop or anything at +175 / +745 for the offsets. My last highest was 15,042 at only +160 / +500 offsets. Classified Voltage Settings (for anyone who wants to give it a try): NVVDD: 1.125V FBVDD: 1.400V MSVDD: 1.1375V NVVDD & MSVDD Loadline: Level 1 NVVDD & MSVDD OCP: Disable Maximum board power draw on this was about 526W with the primary PerfCap Reason being VRel, so yeah I'll be pretty content with these settings. *slight edit* Under regular gaming circumstances with noise in check and clocks/temperatures stable (+140 / +400 and almost silent operation with peaks of 51C) I can still manage to score 14,885 on Port Royal with regular power draw around 500W.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 15:32:44
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I know we are all using port Royal, but what do you guys get for something like TS/TSE gpu score?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 16:11:12
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Just finished some tinkering with voltages and whatnot in Classified with my new RMA card and oddly enough aside from the pump buzz and minor coil whine (introduced now with the new card, oh well I guess you can't win them all) - it actually outperforms my last K|NGP|N on the silicon lottery.
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I would recommend leaving OCP ON! I read this yesterday from a member: OCP is not going to limit you, at all, outside of extreme voltages under LN2. The amperages required to trip OCP are in the range of actual electrical shorts, AKA not even close to the 20A or so you are gonna be maxing out on <1.2V. 1.5V when the temp isn't -140 degrees after the grease unknowingly cracks on LN2 though, now that's a different story and that is why you are able to turn it off. Also if you trip OCB it will be a hard card crash, observable as a device cycle in event viewer as opposed to a driver disconnect etc from a normal instability crash. So stop turning off OCP if you aren't benching on sub-ambient on extreme volts, its doing nothing except letting your card die instantly if you ever short.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 16:37:12
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Wow. Someone shared their results with the 1000W VBIOS on a power limited FTW3, and the results are not great (and no I won't share who).
The XC3 VBIOS was better for their card for benchmarking even though the 1000W VBIOS was indeed pulling ~520W. Lower average clock speed attained, and it was about 4C hotter with very short tests vs their normal max temperature. Oh, and over 90W(!!!!) sustained, not spikes, PCIE slot power draw.
Which begs the question - what do Kingpin cards get for PCIE slow power draw on this 1000W VBIOS?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3184843
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 16:42:14
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arestavo
Wow. Someone shared their results with the 1000W VBIOS on a power limited FTW3, and the results are not great (and no I won't share who).
The XC3 VBIOS was better for their card for benchmarking even though the 1000W VBIOS was indeed pulling ~520W. Lower average clock speed attained, and it was about 4C hotter with very short tests vs their normal max temperature. Oh, and over 90W(!!!!) sustained, not spikes, PCIE slot power draw.
Which begs the question - what do Kingpin cards get for PCIE slow power draw on this 1000W VBIOS?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3184843
Never works for any browser that I use. I'll assume it's less than 80W.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 17:04:01
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This may help people understand some of the things they are experiencing. RTX 2080 Voltage Limit, Boost 4.0, & OC Interview w/ Tom Petersen - YouTubeCut to 3:30 in. (Or 7:30) nVidia set specs for AIBs. Some AIBs have been allowed to tweak the specs. Reviewers may have access to lab bench tools that can take the card out-of-spec for special cases. From a liability standpoint, these tools will probably never be officially released/supported for the general public. Without understanding how GPU boost works, you may be fighting yourselves when trying to overclock the cards. Boost tables, tempurature, silicon quality, voltage/power work together. We try to manipulate performance by altering the curve, removing power limits, taking chips over specificied nVidia safe voltages, yet many forget about controling tempurature. Mem and VRM temps are important, too.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 17:38:13
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Told ya you had a weaker card.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Told ya you had a weaker card.
Its not fair lol
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Told ya you had a weaker card.
Its not fair lol
True, but, but they are all binned. 🤣 People getting 15,400+ on ln2 vbios only are lucky. I had to push 625w on xoc vbios to get my score.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Told ya you had a weaker card.
Its not fair lol
True, but, but they are all binned. 🤣
People getting 15,400+ on ln2 vbios only are lucky.
I had to push 625w on xoc vbios to get my score.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Can you get it to pass without a memory over clock?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 19:59:50
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NotoriouS^
Man i cant get PR run to pass with anything over a +110 on the core. I hit 15026 with +110/+1475 max fan speeds. I have tweaked and tweaked and cant get anything more out of it. +115 on core or above is instant crash in PR.
Can you get it to pass without a memory over clock?
No unfortunately. +110 is all it can do.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 06:19:36
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not sure if a riser cable would hinder the pcie power since the power draw is quite considerate
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 14:21:57
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what was the highest voltage kingpin used
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 14:29:13
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Wow. Someone shared their results with the 1000W VBIOS on a power limited FTW3, and the results are not great (and no I won't share who).
The XC3 VBIOS was better for their card for benchmarking even though the 1000W VBIOS was indeed pulling ~520W. Lower average clock speed attained, and it was about 4C hotter with very short tests vs their normal max temperature. Oh, and over 90W(!!!!) sustained, not spikes, PCIE slot power draw.
Which begs the question - what do Kingpin cards get for PCIE slow power draw on this 1000W VBIOS?
The bios is supposed to be locked to the kingpin serial number.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 19:51:15
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Any fans you guys recommend? I could swap out corsair ml120s and do a push pull, save the fans it comes with for my stream pc next year.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 20:57:35
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Any fans you guys recommend? I could swap out corsair ml120s and do a push pull, save the fans it comes with for my stream pc next year.
I swapped out the stock fans for 6 Corsair ML120s and the 6 on a push/pull run it quieter than 3 stock fans, plus cooler (obviously). 10/10 would recommend.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 21:07:38
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I'm pretty satisfied with my card.
running the LN2.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/653765
Yep, good bin. I got about the same score (15,302). Not a golden chip, but certainly not a "dud". I was going to spend more time trying to chill the rad, push it more, and all that, but I'm a gamer. Pushing it to 15,5 or 15,6 is the difference of 1-3 fps. NOT worth it! Carmen813
Any fans you guys recommend? I could swap out corsair ml120s and do a push pull, save the fans it comes with for my stream pc next year.
ML120s are great, I haven't decided if I should run them push or pull with the stock fans.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 21:25:12
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Just installed my Kingpin today, I got it pretty early in the 2nd batch of notifications. Just using LN2 BIOS I got this 14,582 run with silent fans at +115/+750: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55422366? Earlier with max fans I hit 14,916 with +120/+1500 and max voltage slider in Precision but in both circumstances I never saw board power (measured on the card's screen) go beyond 460-470W. I'm running 6x QL120 in push/pull (can't sacrifice that RGB!), temps w/ max fans stay in the mid/low 50s. Have not requested the XOC BIOS or Classified tool yet. Port Royal won't even run at +125 core, regardless of voltage. My Suprim X hit 14,508 with maxed out fans, generally landing in the high 13s noise normalized with quiet fan Kingpin, so it's definitely an improvement in terms of what numbers I'll see while gaming (maybe 5%?). Got similar numbers from my Strix. Seems like I got one of the worst bins for this card; is there anyone out there who's seen even worse performance? Just my luck lol. EDIT: At first the pump was very noisy and seemed to be turning on and off, frequently, not sure what was going on. After a couple hours it seems to have sorted itself out.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 21:35:06
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Just installed my Kingpin today, I got it pretty early in the 2nd batch of notifications. Just using LN2 BIOS I got this 14,582 run with silent fans at +115/+750:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55422366?
Earlier with max fans I hit 14,916 with +120/+1500 and max voltage slider in Precision but in both circumstances I never saw board power (measured on the card's screen) go beyond 460-470W. I'm running 6x QL120 in push/pull (can't sacrifice that RGB!), temps w/ max fans stay in the mid/low 50s. Have not requested the XOC BIOS or Classified tool yet.
Port Royal won't even run at +125 core, regardless of voltage.
My Suprim X hit 14,508 with maxed out fans, generally landing in the high 13s noise normalized with quiet fan Kingpin, so it's definitely an improvement in terms of what numbers I'll see while gaming (maybe 5%?). Got similar numbers from my Strix.
Seems like I got one of the worst bins for this card; is there anyone out there who's seen even worse performance? Just my luck lol.
EDIT: At first the pump was very noisy and seemed to be turning on and off, frequently, not sure what was going on. After a couple hours it seems to have sorted itself out.
Open Classified tool and set: NVVDD 1.10v FBVDD 1.4v MSVDD 1.15v Level 1, Off for both +120 core +1500 or higher Probably 500W+ in the run You'll break 15K easily. You have strong memory.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/23 23:01:28
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Solar Trans
Just installed my Kingpin today, I got it pretty early in the 2nd batch of notifications. Just using LN2 BIOS I got this 14,582 run with silent fans at +115/+750:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55422366?
Earlier with max fans I hit 14,916 with +120/+1500 and max voltage slider in Precision but in both circumstances I never saw board power (measured on the card's screen) go beyond 460-470W. I'm running 6x QL120 in push/pull (can't sacrifice that RGB!), temps w/ max fans stay in the mid/low 50s. Have not requested the XOC BIOS or Classified tool yet.
Port Royal won't even run at +125 core, regardless of voltage.
My Suprim X hit 14,508 with maxed out fans, generally landing in the high 13s noise normalized with quiet fan Kingpin, so it's definitely an improvement in terms of what numbers I'll see while gaming (maybe 5%?). Got similar numbers from my Strix.
Seems like I got one of the worst bins for this card; is there anyone out there who's seen even worse performance? Just my luck lol.
EDIT: At first the pump was very noisy and seemed to be turning on and off, frequently, not sure what was going on. After a couple hours it seems to have sorted itself out.
Open Classified tool and set:
NVVDD 1.10v
FBVDD 1.4v
MSVDD 1.15v
Level 1, Off for both
+120 core
+1500 or higher
Probably 500W+ in the run
You'll break 15K easily. You have strong memory.
Thanks man! Memory does seem solid on this one. Better than my Strix and Suprim X but it needs to stay very cool to be stable.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/24 01:42:51
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Managed a somewhat decent 15,210 PR (sadly using the hotfix drivers so it doesn't report on HoF) with a +170 / +1,400 clock.
If I had some more time tonight I think I could've realistically cranked that to at least 15.5K with some more voltage tweaking but I'm pretty content knowing I have a decently binned RMA card right now. Even for regular gaming I was able to undervolt and still maintain a +140 / +400 stable clock, minimal noise levels, and keep the card under 50C during PR stress tests.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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What are the default values supposed to be in the classified tool when in LN2 bios?
I didn't write them down prior to adjusting with the tool and when I went back to default using the "default" button my scores tanked by about 200 point in PR (against former default values) and my max power draw is down to 425 watts where it used to be 450-460.
Mine is showing NVVDD - 0.8875, FBVDD - 1.375, MSVDD - 0.9.
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