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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:44:02
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The kingpin specific xoc vbios that you have to request for.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:46:21
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Ok, one person. I think the point being so many people having issues with a stock configuration, voiding warranty at this point makes no sense.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Error. Please delete.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:50:25
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The kingpin specific xoc vbios that you have to request for.
The one that voids your warranty, got it. So what is the point of getting a $2000 card to have no warranty to get it to perform that way it should? It's a big gamble to take, yes? We've seen how hit or miss some of these cards have been and so many FTW3's (granted, a different version, but same overall "GPU", have failed weeks or months into use. It seems awful risky to me. Granted, to each their own, but I'll take a chance and speak for the majority is that people would rather not void their warranty or have to make mechanical changes to get a $2000 card to perform like the top tier card it is supposed to be.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:52:17
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My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:53:54
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And to follow up on the "IMO, it would not be in EVGA's interest or any AIB to release a "no power limit" BIOS and keep warranty. This expectation is unreasonable." comment, I have to disagree to an extent:
1. There are still some safeguards in place as far as I know (you aren't completely taking the leash off like a true LN2, we're talking about using the huge 360 AIO here and getting more performance)
2. We pay a premium (several hundreds of dollars) over other cards to have "better components" for "true overclockers"
3. The price premium should demand the quality and support, especially in smaller number production, to provide a warranty on a "XOC" BIOS.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:55:20
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I ran the true xoc vbios on my card, and pushed 625w through it. 
That's you.  You should try this with the HC block. EXC-900 Portable 900W Recirculating Liquid Chiller, 110VAC /60Hz (koolance.com) Maybe it'll be a daily OC if humidity and dew point is low enough. The KP had so much hype this year, all the high expectations was bound to happen. When EVGA announced the card at $2k, I said... hmmmmm. Maybe need to wait for TSMC 7nm or Titan.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 18:56:46
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My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.
I see. For someone who has never heard of, never mind seen a classified tool, do you have a "ballpark" place to start with settings? I know this isn't a simple answer. For example, I work in the emergency department, if you come in with chest pain I can give you 10+ reasons for this and explain them in detail of why it happens (this thread is giving me chest pain as we speak), and I wouldn't expect you to know or remember or understand all the pathology behind it. So what I'm asking is: What types of things need to be changed to a degree with to give the card some protentional on the built in LN2 without going mad? Is there a good write up somewhere also, or have you gone into detail somewhere else on the forum about it?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 19:09:41
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Can you explain the difference and what it means related to power draw?
Kylearan
"Looks like Kingpin cards are throttling because of WAY too low VRAM (MVDDC) and chip power limits..."
This goes directly against what was said at the top of my post as a reason why these cards wont use the power they should. The top post states it is a hardware, PCB issue design flaw, and this statement suggests its BIOS/Firmware/etc (software/coding) based problems that apparently can't? be modified even with the classified tool.
I'm trying to follow along here but there seems to be some conflicting opinions at play.
Also, those who started receiving this second drop of Kingpin cards, you are all noticing the same issue? And why are people like Sajin not having this issue if he got one of the first cards/PCB designs?
If you look in the google docs file, you will see that there are multiple power limits. "TDP" or Total Board Power / Board Power, is *Only* usually linked to the total of "8 pin power draw" plus "PCIE Slot power draw, at least from what is exposed on normal sensors (Hwinfo, GPU-Z, etc) That's it. HWinfo does show some other power rails besides Chip Power, which is GPU Core Input Power (sum), and FBVDD, which is MVDDC power and SRC (PP), (but they are labeled generically like "NVDD2/Misc/ input/output/(sum)" or whatever and we do know that NVVDD2 seems to be MSVDD (Uncore), but the other values, well... Usually when you increase the TDP slider, you increase the maximum amount of power that is allowed here. Raising the TDP slider is also supposed to increase the individual power rail limits of the 8 pin power plugs and the PCIE slot, in balance with the total TDP increase. So it should be a direct correlation. What is **NOT** clear however, and no one would be able to answer this except Nvidia or an eVGA or other AIB employee, is if increasing the power limit TDP slider is also supposed to increase the other power rails also (GPU Chip Power, MVDDC memory power, Power Plane Input Source power). I am "assuming" that it is supposed to (but I don't know for sure, since you have no way to see the individual rail limits except with a BIOS editor!) But look at the BIOS again. https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/page-374#post-28696379 Now this particular vbios isn't in the dump shown here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWprUJcV6mDwFmg1b6T1cySD1P-sjcG4-bACq-Y3vHs/edit#gid=0 But if you look at it, you will see that the max VRAM (MVDDC) power limit is *LOWER* than the power limit for the 3090 Founder's Edition! The FE is 93.7W Default and 107.8W maximum. The kingpin vbios is 90W default and 96W maximum! Your 520W vbios has a lower MVDDC power limit than Nvidia's FE! Also the default and maximum chip power limit are also the same value, and the user in the OCN thread is hitting BOTH chip power limit and MVDDC power limit at the same time on the Kingpin card. So that means the TDP slider doesn't even change the chip power limit because it's set to 292W, which that user hit and caused throttling. Obviously, the chip and MVDDC power limits can be increased. Some eVGA Boards already have 130W limit for VRAM and >300W limit for chip. Just not this vbios... I hate to put on a tinfoil hat here, but it sounds like someone at eVGA isn't aware of these limits at all. One thing rather interesting is the Nvidia vbios. https://www.overclock.net/threads/rtx-3090-founders-edition-working-shunt-mod.1773780/page-26#post-28694120 It seems to have a default 8 pin limit of 145.8W and max 8 pin limit of 162W, yet somehow it seems to be able to pull up to the limit of the *SRC*--175W, which you can see in my pre-mod Superposition 1080p run awhile back. https://i.imgur.com/sg1ckgD.jpg
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 19:15:49
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And to follow up on the "IMO, it would not be in EVGA's interest or any AIB to release a "no power limit" BIOS and keep warranty. This expectation is unreasonable." comment, I have to disagree to an extent:
1. There are still some safeguards in place as far as I know (you aren't completely taking the leash off like a true LN2, we're talking about using the huge 360 AIO here and getting more performance)
2. We pay a premium (several hundreds of dollars) over other cards to have "better components" for "true overclockers"
3. The price premium should demand the quality and support, especially in smaller number production, to provide a warranty on a "XOC" BIOS.
TBH, the hybrid is a standard Asetek with a 360mm RAD. Add some bling of ARGB fans, but the real value of the KP is the VRM design. It was designed for LN2 overclocking for the extreme bench guys to play. The product became a halo, "gotta have" marketing hype. Pricing is relative. I don't think there is true "binned" GPUs that guarantee 2200 boost on average user ambient air source cooling and AIB approved software. Check out Steve's gpu boost clock vs temp testing from ~ 00:16:00. LIVE: RTX 3090 Overclocking (Air & Liquid Nitrogen) - YouTube
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 19:27:01
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Sajin
My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.
I see. For someone who has never heard of, never mind seen a classified tool, do you have a "ballpark" place to start with settings? I know this isn't a simple answer. For example, I work in the emergency department, if you come in with chest pain I can give you 10+ reasons for this and explain them in detail of why it happens (this thread is giving me chest pain as we speak), and I wouldn't expect you to know or remember or understand all the pathology behind it.
So what I'm asking is: What types of things need to be changed to a degree with to give the card some protentional on the built in LN2 without going mad? Is there a good write up somewhere also, or have you gone into detail somewhere else on the forum about it?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 20:34:25
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Alright so if I'm understanding you, EVGA may be oblivious to this and it could be fixed with a BIOS patch, or they did this on purpose to extend the life of the card and give a safe limit. But it IS fixable with BIOS modifications?
I follow you over on overclock.net, on post 7474, how were you pulling 600w again?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/18 22:08:18
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Alright so if I'm understanding you, EVGA may be oblivious to this and it could be fixed with a BIOS patch, or they did this on purpose to extend the life of the card and give a safe limit. But it IS fixable with BIOS modifications?
I follow you over on overclock.net, on post 7474, how were you pulling 600w again?
Shunt modded (FE). Someone there said they were able to go over 500W on their KP by upping MSVDD and FBVDD. https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/page-375#post-28696479But that requires the classified tool right?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 02:52:52
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Most I have seen in my limited use with KP at this point is 587W, during a TSE run. 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 03:42:23
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Dang the kingpin cards are having the same problems at the 3090 ftw ultras it seems.
Crazy
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 09:17:19
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Oh man I just bought the Kingpin and asked EVGA for RMA of my unopened FTW3 3090 hybrid because of this power limit issue. I can't believe Kingpin is affected by the same problem!!!!  So it seems like EVGA applied an abnormally low MVDCC power limit which is causing the problem. Do you think this can be fixed with a bios update or should I have bought the Strix OC in the first place? I thought the KP is the best of the best. sigh...
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 10:11:26
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TiN left some big-ass shoes to fill, apparently too big for the remaining electrical engineers at EVGA?  Jokes aside, I was disappointed when I first heard he'd left and wasn't a part of 3090 KPE's design, perhaps this is the result of that loss.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 11:26:15
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I sold both of my EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra's because of PL problems. I now find I have serious doubts about the purchase of a 3090 Kingpin that I am still waiting in the queue for. We all miss your engineering expertise TiN. 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 12:10:14
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Where did Tin go? Can EVGA hire him back to fix this mess? I'm about to receive the Kingpin today but very worried that it will be a half ass card instead of the King it's supposed to be.
Any idea if the low MVDCC power limit can be fixed with a bios update?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Mine arrived yesterday - it is limited to 450/460w including the LN2 bios. I also sold a 3090 FTW3 Ultra to get the KP mostly as it was power limited...
I can't get above 14400 on PR with the KP - I have a 3090 Strix that scores more than my KP on air and my Asus isn't really a silicon lottery winner.
I love the looks and features of the KP, but if I had a time machine not sure I would open the box again without knowing if the power limits are bios or hardware related :(
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 12:39:05
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My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.
I see. For someone who has never heard of, never mind seen a classified tool, do you have a "ballpark" place to start with settings? I know this isn't a simple answer. For example, I work in the emergency department, if you come in with chest pain I can give you 10+ reasons for this and explain them in detail of why it happens (this thread is giving me chest pain as we speak), and I wouldn't expect you to know or remember or understand all the pathology behind it.
So what I'm asking is: What types of things need to be changed to a degree with to give the card some protentional on the built in LN2 without going mad? Is there a good write up somewhere also, or have you gone into detail somewhere else on the forum about it?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Yeah I can't believe all that's going on either sold my ftw3 ultra picked up a 3090 strix put it on a EK waterblock couldn't be more happy oh yeah and a bonus running the Kingpin bios and out scoring most the Kingpin cards https://www.3dmark.com/pr/648784
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Yeah I can't believe all that's going on either sold my ftw3 ultra picked up a 3090 strix put it on a EK waterblock couldn't be more happy oh yeah and a bonus running the Kingpin bios and out scoring most the Kingpin cards https://www.3dmark.com/pr/648784
I guess that is a way around it lol
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Yeah I can't believe all that's going on either sold my ftw3 ultra picked up a 3090 strix put it on a EK waterblock couldn't be more happy oh yeah and a bonus running the Kingpin bios and out scoring most the Kingpin cards https://www.3dmark.com/pr/648784
I'm guessing Asus is binning their Strix cards, that's the only explanation for the atrocious volumes they're shipping to retailers. I had a chance at a Strix 3090 and passed on it for the KPE, hope I didn't make a mistake.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 14:37:58
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My kingpin is also able to pull 520w on the stock LN2 vbios, but I have to increases voltages using the classified tool to get it there. At stock voltages on the LN2 vbios you aren't going to pull 520w unless you run furmark, or some other app that can make it pull that much power.
I see. For someone who has never heard of, never mind seen a classified tool, do you have a "ballpark" place to start with settings? I know this isn't a simple answer. For example, I work in the emergency department, if you come in with chest pain I can give you 10+ reasons for this and explain them in detail of why it happens (this thread is giving me chest pain as we speak), and I wouldn't expect you to know or remember or understand all the pathology behind it.
So what I'm asking is: What types of things need to be changed to a degree with to give the card some protentional on the built in LN2 without going mad? Is there a good write up somewhere also, or have you gone into detail somewhere else on the forum about it?
1.125 nvvdd, 1.4 fbvdd, & 1.2 msvdd. Leave both load lines on level 1 and disable both ocp.
We still need to determine exactly which internal limit is being triggered here. People should not be getting power limited at 450W (like on the FTW3 XOC vbios) when using the LN2 vbios on the Kingpin, so these adjustments should not be required. It's pretty safe to bet it's either "Chip Power Limit" or "MVDDC" but I already saw one person exceed MVDDC while another was throttled by 94W, and a second person exceeded the Chip Power Limit while that original person was throttled at 290W.... Another question to ask is why is the "Default" and "Maximum" MVDDC and Chip power limit set to the same value on the Kingpin Vbios? That's why the power limit slider isn't working...(if that's what is triggering an early power limit internally!)
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
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Yeah I can't believe all that's going on either sold my ftw3 ultra picked up a 3090 strix put it on a EK waterblock couldn't be more happy oh yeah and a bonus running the Kingpin bios and out scoring most the Kingpin cards https://www.3dmark.com/pr/648784
Yeah, well you ain't beating mine. 
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markuaw1
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 16:38:18
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I was actually surprised to be running better scores than any of these new Kingpin cards so what you got? 16 000 , 17 000?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/19 16:51:37
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markuaw1
I was actually surprised to be running better scores than any of these new Kingpin cards so what you got? 16 000 , 17 000?
Not yet, I only ran like 4 runs on stock bios and another 4 or so runs on 520W, but it's also not a full coverage waterblock either. And 17K on AIO? Really? From what I saw one needs LN2 to get 17K, so that would be quite the stretch.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/20 00:52:04
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Canceled my kingpin preorder. What a joke evga is this Launch. Bought their highend cards every year, but this is just enough. 3080s/3090s dying like fly's, FTW3 Power Problems and now the kingpin cards have the same Problem with the Power Limit. I read elswhere that the voltage Controller is hardcoded and limited on evga cards and it cant be fixed by any update. While every board Partner uses dynamic voltage Controllers on ampere, evga decided to use the old analog hardcoded Controllers. Thats why they FTW3 and kingpin sucks this time. They would need to completely redo the cards. What a joke, the kingpin gets outclassed by cards that cost 600$ less. EU store still Dead also. Hope they Fall flat on their face for this ignorance.
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