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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/15 11:04:54 (permalink)
 
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With the issues I've had with my block and the slow pace for them to release a fix (not even mentioning the lack of transparency in the process) I'm leaning toward just asking for a refund. I'm not sure I have the trust that their fix will work, and it could be another potential time sink trying to put the block back on and hoping it'll work. For me it really tarnishes them for any future products. I'll keep their CPU block as it works great and after a year or so, no issues, but I don't think I'll be purchasing from them again unless they can turn things around. And these further shipping delays and lack of transparency isn't helping.

I think they are delaying the block shipments because of the issue that you, others and I have with the leaks between the acrylic and front/backplates, even though it alone passed the air pressure test.  I am still waiting on an ETA of the replacement fix shipping.

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/15 12:02:25 (permalink)
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With the issues I've had with my block and the slow pace for them to release a fix (not even mentioning the lack of transparency in the process) I'm leaning toward just asking for a refund. I'm not sure I have the trust that their fix will work, and it could be another potential time sink trying to put the block back on and hoping it'll work. For me it really tarnishes them for any future products. I'll keep their CPU block as it works great and after a year or so, no issues, but I don't think I'll be purchasing from them again unless they can turn things around. And these further shipping delays and lack of transparency isn't helping.

I think they are delaying the block shipments because of the issue that you, others and I have with the leaks between the acrylic and front/backplates, even though it alone passed the air pressure test.  I am still waiting on an ETA of the replacement fix shipping.


I hope you're right on that. Every single time I read about these issues I keep wondering if I should just finish my build with the HC Kit I have collecting dust in a box. In the meantime, the KP in Hybrid mode continues to run in my older PC.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/15 13:35:58 (permalink)
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With the issues I've had with my block and the slow pace for them to release a fix (not even mentioning the lack of transparency in the process) I'm leaning toward just asking for a refund. I'm not sure I have the trust that their fix will work, and it could be another potential time sink trying to put the block back on and hoping it'll work. For me it really tarnishes them for any future products. I'll keep their CPU block as it works great and after a year or so, no issues, but I don't think I'll be purchasing from them again unless they can turn things around. And these further shipping delays and lack of transparency isn't helping.

I think they are delaying the block shipments because of the issue that you, others and I have with the leaks between the acrylic and front/backplates, even though it alone passed the air pressure test.  I am still waiting on an ETA of the replacement fix shipping.




Yea mine passed air pressure test, have the block for a while now. Definitely not leaking externally as in water leaving the block. Water is being slowly accumulated near those screws on my backplate, like many others:
https://www.overclock.net/threads/optimus-waterblock.1733810/page-627#post-28936325
 
My front block does not have this issue so far. I am using clear liquid so I dont really mind as long as it is not leaking externally. Someone suggested that it might be caused by water vapor evaporation, condensation. Such that water is not flowing to the screws directly. Who knows? Anyway, kinda sucks if u are using colored fluid and care about visuals.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 07:42:21 (permalink)
OP5300 just shipped out
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 07:43:27 (permalink)
Nice! Post pics when you get it!

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 09:41:33 (permalink)
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OP5300 just shipped out

That’s great! I hope you will not encounter the leak issues that I and others have with the block.

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 13:48:45 (permalink)
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OP5300 just shipped out

That’s great! I hope you will not encounter the leak issues that I and others have with the block.


I think optimus needs to replace their gasket with something thicker.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 16:30:58 (permalink)
If they are still shipping I would imagine the leaking must be fairly rare and you should be reasonably confident that it is not a given
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/16 20:43:59 (permalink)
So quick summary, might have missed some:
 
1. Leaking externally, liquid escapes the block completely. 2 people here have this issue: fragility, mech9t5. mech9t5's block passed air pressure test but still leaks
 
2. Internal bleeding, seeping issue where water vapor leaves the o-ring and slowly accumulated near the screw columns. Even optimus' own post has some moisture near the screw columns. Like these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/med...mat=jpg&name=large
https://www.overclock.net/threads/optimus-waterblock.1733810/page-627#post-28936325
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3524478

I suspect majority like 80+% of people will experience issue #2 on the rear block. Looks like they have fixed the externally leaking problem in the later batches(not sure)? Make sure to do pressure test at like .75bar and then run it in a test loop with no card for like a day or more.
post edited by q437637 - 2022/02/16 20:46:46
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/17 13:00:18 (permalink)
OP5301 just got fulfilled

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/18 16:06:44 (permalink)
Good evening,

After many months, almost a year, waiting for the block. I am trying to mount it on the GPU.

I have some doubts as the instructions do not provide clear enough pictures.

The thermal pads to be applied in the photo provided by the company do not look at all like the GPU PCB.

I think I got them right, could anyone confirm?

https://imgur.com/a/AONVf7k

In addition the screws to be put in the first step I can't get them to reach the other side (the ones with a length of 12mm).


Any advice?


Thanks!

Best,
Miguel
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/18 16:11:52 (permalink)
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Good evening,

After many months, almost a year, waiting for the block. I am trying to mount it on the GPU.

I have some doubts as the instructions do not provide clear enough pictures.

The thermal pads to be applied in the photo provided by the company do not look at all like the GPU PCB.

I think I got them right, could anyone confirm?

https://imgur.com/a/AONVf7k

In addition the screws to be put in the first step I can't get them to reach the other side (the ones with a length of 12mm).


Any advice?


Thanks!

Best,
Miguel

Yes, your pad application matches the instructions:

 
The first step uses the 6mm button head screws.  Are you talking about the ones that go through the backplate to the main block?  If so, the giant thermal pad is pretty thick, you'll need to compress it a bit initially to get the threads to bite.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/18 16:14:59 (permalink)
I followed the instruction laid out by Optimus and the assembly of the block went together without an issue.  

I would recommend laying out and sorting the screws provided by Optimus.  There are different lengths and quantities.  Each colored screw in the instructions by Optimus fit in my build just fine.  Just be sure to double check you are using the right screws for each step.  
 
Thermal pads I followed their instructions also without an issue either.  
 
be sure to pressure check the component after you are done with the installation though.  

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/18 16:56:23 (permalink)
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Good evening,

After many months, almost a year, waiting for the block. I am trying to mount it on the GPU.

I have some doubts as the instructions do not provide clear enough pictures.

The thermal pads to be applied in the photo provided by the company do not look at all like the GPU PCB.

I think I got them right, could anyone confirm?

https://imgur.com/a/AONVf7k

In addition the screws to be put in the first step I can't get them to reach the other side (the ones with a length of 12mm).


Any advice?


Thanks!

Best,
Miguel

Yes, your pad application matches the instructions:

 
The first step uses the 6mm button head screws.  Are you talking about the ones that go through the backplate to the main block?  If so, the giant thermal pad is pretty thick, you'll need to compress it a bit initially to get the threads to bite.



Gotspeed_2000
I followed the instruction laid out by Optimus and the assembly of the block went together without an issue.  

I would recommend laying out and sorting the screws provided by Optimus.  There are different lengths and quantities.  Each colored screw in the instructions by Optimus fit in my build just fine.  Just be sure to double check you are using the right screws for each step.  
 
Thermal pads I followed their instructions also without an issue either.  
 
be sure to pressure check the component after you are done with the installation though.  



Thank you both! Will compress the backplate a bit more this Sunday which is when I am going to be back at home.

I was worried to press down too much. Also I have used some thermal paste on top of the chokes (R15). Guess it is not going to hurt either 😅

Thanks again will come back with some results :)
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 01:00:38 (permalink)
Just got my block. Surprised by loop orientation.. will temps suffer a ton if I flip the inlet and outlet? Would need to completely re do my loop to fix the orientation.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 04:18:38 (permalink)
My understanding is that flow direction matters for the Optimus block.

Not sure how complicated your loop is but you could run an experiment.
post edited by Jsunn - 2022/02/19 04:20:15

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 11:16:27 (permalink)
If any one wants a block brand new unused just pm me. I dont want custom cooling any more so I wont use it
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post edited by huseyinbaykal - 2022/02/20 04:06:01
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 15:15:59 (permalink)
You will need additional support with the Optimus blocks.  Its 6 lbs 3.2 oz (2,810 grams) of machined copper and acrylic per block.
 

 

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 15:43:56 (permalink)
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You will need additional support with the Optimus blocks.  Its 6 lbs 3.2 oz (2,810 grams) of machined copper and acrylic per block.
 

 


Does the acrylic plate touch the copper plate for both the front and backplate or is there a small gap between the acrylic and copper plate?

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 15:59:01 (permalink)
GOOD LORT !
Did the KPE come with a bracket, I put mine vertical but I cant remember if there is one in the box?
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/19 18:53:21 (permalink)
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Just got my block. Surprised by loop orientation.. will temps suffer a ton if I flip the inlet and outlet? Would need to completely re do my loop to fix the orientation.

Based on their instructions, I'd say it's probably not designed to be optimal going in the other direction:
  • FLOW DIRECTION? Fluid needs to flow in a specific direction -- center of fins and then out. On acrylic blocks, the "in" is connected to the center channel. On acetal blocks, the "out" shows the fins inside, while the fins can't be seen on the "in" port.
May not be a huge hit.  But you shelled out a decent chunk of change for a very high performance block, I'd suggest redoing the loop to follow their intended flow.  I had to rebend some new tubes to make the flow in the correct pattern.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/20 01:18:27 (permalink)
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You will need additional support with the Optimus blocks.  Its 6 lbs 3.2 oz (2,810 grams) of machined copper and acrylic per block.
 

 


Does the acrylic plate touch the copper plate for both the front and backplate or is there a small gap between the acrylic and copper plate?


It touches.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/21 12:24:44 (permalink)
Because of the weight of the Optimus 3090 KP blocks, I don't feel 100% safe mounting them in a "normal" horizontal orientation, even with supports.  Even if I move my case a short distance, can they damage the PCB because of the weight?  The waterblock doesn't go all the way to the support bracket on the rear of the case.  So the PCB is supporting over 6 lbs of weight.  I bought a card support that I can use to support the side or rear of the card.  I'm not sure that would stop any PCB flex.
 
I've seen this photo posted multiple places to explain what I mean.  The block stops before the reat IO bracket,s ot he PCB is supporting the weight of the block and card.

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/21 13:07:38 (permalink)
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I think no matter which way you mount it I would consider using multiple brackets to help take the load off either the end in your picture or the PCI slot.  I bought a bunch of support posts from Amazon to try and use once I get my issue with my block resolved.  I got back my RMA Kingpin last week, but I haven't had time to bench test it yet.    
 
When I did mount it in my O11XL, I had to mount it horizontal as the vertical mounts I had created issues related to proximity to the CPU block.  I have the Lian Li XL vertical mount, the Lian Li Lancool vertical mount, and I bought the EK vertical mount (which I could not use due to the rear block).  I used two post under the GPU in the horizontal position to help take the load off the bracket and slot.  
 
I just picked up a bigger case to move my Kingpin into which I am hoping will allow me to support the Optimus blocked Kingpin better once I get my conversion done again.  I picked up a Phantecs Enthoos Pro 2 on Saturday.  I am weighing my options as to how to mount the gpu.  Use the vertical mounts I have, or use the vertical slots in the case, or do something custom now that my case is a bit larger and I am hoping more flexible for mounting the GPU.  I am thinking a custom shelf where the secondary ITX board would go to put some sort of mount there to support the Kingpin.  I haven't had much time to think what I am going to do, but the weight of the card would be something I would want to make adjustments in how I mount this block to ensure maximum life of both the GPU and Mobo.  
 
 

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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/21 13:16:31 (permalink)
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Because of the weight of the Optimus 3090 KP blocks, I don't feel 100% safe mounting them in a "normal" horizontal orientation, even with supports.  Even if I move my case a short distance, can they damage the PCB because of the weight?  The waterblock doesn't go all the way to the support bracket on the rear of the case.  So the PCB is supporting over 6 lbs of weight.  I bought a card support that I can use to support the side or rear of the card.  I'm not sure that would stop any PCB flex.
 
I've seen this photo posted multiple places to explain what I mean.  The block stops before the reat IO bracket,s ot he PCB is supporting the weight of the block and card.



I think this lack of extension of the backplate on the top of the card is the biggest contributor to the card flex.  Jay did a similar video for general GPU sag and came to a similar conclusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liChy76nQJ4&t=639s
 
When I did have the Optimus block installed, I used this to support the rear of the card:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YKGKZWP/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Helps some, but what you really want is a support along the front of the card, like one of the cantilevered brackets or a support post.  I have hard line tubing coming up vertically, so those essentially acted as supports, so I ended up not using anything else.  I was little worried that the weight would distort the o-rings and lead to some leaking, but that wasn't the case (the leaking occurred in other places....)
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/21 13:22:27 (permalink)
i use a thermaltake core X1 for this reason.  my entire deal is a vertical mount.  


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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/21 13:24:40 (permalink)
I can't use the Lian Li GPU support bracket with my current motherboard even though ti came with my case.
 
With having a bottom radiator in my case, I need to put metal fan grilles over the bottom radiator so I don't have the weight of a GPU support on the radiator.  The other option is to make a hanging support from the top radiator/fans.
 
At this point, I'm thinking of building a stand for my case, so I can put my case on the side and still allow for proper airflow so that the cards only have their weight on the PCIEx16 slot and the rear support bracket.
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/22 05:06:39 (permalink)
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I can't use the Lian Li GPU support bracket with my current motherboard even though ti came with my case.
 
With having a bottom radiator in my case, I need to put metal fan grilles over the bottom radiator so I don't have the weight of a GPU support on the radiator.  The other option is to make a hanging support from the top radiator/fans.
 
At this point, I'm thinking of building a stand for my case, so I can put my case on the side and still allow for proper airflow so that the cards only have their weight on the PCIEx16 slot and the rear support bracket.


just get a core x1.  they are cheap.  check my modsrig.


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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/22 05:15:55 (permalink)
Mine has been horizontal for weeks and the sag has not increased since day one. While it is a concern long term, I’ll be going vertical soon, it doesn’t appear to affect things atm

 
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Re: OPTIMUS SIGNATURE GPU BLOCK - KINGPIN 3090 2022/02/22 09:43:21 (permalink)
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I can't use the Lian Li GPU support bracket with my current motherboard even though ti came with my case.
 
With having a bottom radiator in my case, I need to put metal fan grilles over the bottom radiator so I don't have the weight of a GPU support on the radiator.  The other option is to make a hanging support from the top radiator/fans.
 
At this point, I'm thinking of building a stand for my case, so I can put my case on the side and still allow for proper airflow so that the cards only have their weight on the PCIEx16 slot and the rear support bracket.


just get a core x1.  they are cheap.  check my modsrig.



That's a nice case but unless the weight of the block is supported by something else the 7 plus pounds of block is still only supported by the PCI slot or the rear I/O backet.  With the design of the Optimus rear plate not extending all the way to the rear I/O bracket any weight the I/O bracket provides could  compromise the GPU due to flex especially when the pcb heats up or over time/age.  It would also put most of the weight on the GPU PCI slot which although due to the horizontal mounting of the mobo is still something I would not prefer to do unless I needed.  The Thermaltake option is a better option though than having the block sit horizontal and twisting the PCI slot on the mobo. 
 
I was looking at the Thermaltake X20 as an option this past week for my build.  I went with a Phantecs option since it was available immediately for me.  
 
I am hoping to hear back from Optimus soon on my front block issues.  I again am starting to have all these parts and funds expended for my pc sitting around me.  New tubes, fittings, parts on order which include a new set of radiators to maximize the cooling capacity of my new case, mounting brackets to try, etc.  

Corsair 1000D Obsidian Case
I9 13900K with EK Velocity 2 Block
ASUS 4090 Strix with Optimus Block
ASUS Hero Z690 Mobo
64GB DDR5 RAM Trident 6000Mhz 
1TB Nvme primary /2*2TB Nvme secondary/1tb & 2TB SSD drive
EVGA 1600 Watt PSU
30 Lian Li AL120 fans
2 * 480mm medium thickness rad, 2 * 360mm medium thickness rad, with
Two EK Pump/res combos.  Custom hard tube loop.  
Samsung G7 32" Monitor
EVGA Z20 Keyboard
Glorious Model O
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