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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/05 19:33:34 (permalink)
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/05 20:48:13 (permalink)
Still waiting for a worthy upgrade since i bought my i7-860... Looks like i will be waiting a lot longer. Maybe if they had been using some high quality paste they coulda released patches to raise stock speeds to compensate for any performance losses. Now if they try it they will just double down on their problems. Blue team just blew up.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/05 21:40:07 (permalink)
Intel would pay 1.000.000.000$ to someone who could resolve this without droping performance.
There is a chance that Intel done that with intention to processors work 30% faster in some situations.
But how no one before didn't recognize that. 
Performance drop is insane, I look picture above. 
I can't remember so big problem in IT history.
 
Intel will lose huge money because of this. Now with EPYC 32 cores on market... Hahahaa ... Intel Inside and his famous Core with flaw.
Now is bad if you have old architecture and need upgrade and worse of all is if you overprice 1950X with some Intel CPU.
Intel picture in my eyes collapse with this. So bad moves last 2-3 years, so evil overpricing, crippling PCI-E lanes without need, now they get exactly what deserve. 
 
But why home users afraid so much to leave system without update?
 
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/05 22:04:13 (permalink)
Some Testing on some Dell Servers
I ran CINEBENCH Two Time On Both Servers Before the Bios Update and Two Times After the Bios Update.
Bios provide by Dell for Server PE T630 (Includes Windows Server 2012 R2 for x64-based Systems (KB4056898) Security Patch)

Not that Big of hit IMO
 
A MUST READ https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4072699/important-january-3-2018-windows-security-updates-and-antivirus-softwa
 

You will not See the Above Patch with out this reg setting
 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat] "cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc"=dword:00000000
 
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/05 23:27:03 (permalink)
Guys look this, I didn't believed in first moment, that I remembered that Real Bench have saved results...
 

 
Insane drop in Image Editing Score.
These days I will revert Windows and check again.
 
Impact of this is not possible to understand at the moment.
To huge number of people this will completely change perspective and how they look on their hobby and enthusiasm.
Don't even to talk about demands of big coorporations. When they start to talk Intel will beg on knees for second chance.
People litterary corrupt enjoying in PC performance to hundreds of thousands enthusiasts worldwide. Brain on every PC will be crippled.
This is not GTX970 3.5GB, no one is spared from people who deal with Intel.
I still can't believe, I put only part of my scores, I have history of 10-15 running, and all of them are very similar except last.
He is worse on 4.2GHz than i7-5820k on default if that's impact of Windows Update.
 
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 04:03:33 (permalink)
All of this makes me "angry"...

 
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 05:56:31 (permalink)
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Remember That This Is Only The Beginning Of What Might Be The End Of Computing As We Know It Today.


that started with that malware called win-10   there way or no way   and funny how most all new hardware only ''FULLY'' works under it ..    folks joke all they want about a old AMD  platform like the 990fx  but it supports near everything os wise   where like you new skylake and above  your lucky to get 7 to work  .. see its all ready do as they want not as you need or want  we'll just change or remove any support we don't feel we whant you to have .   keep it ....  don't need it
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 09:47:10 (permalink)
Well Really the Start of the End Started with Windows 8.0
"Image Editing Score Dropped", I wonder how many Test they ran before they found a test that would dropped.
I do not do any "Image Editing" so not really an issue IMO.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 13:05:03 (permalink)
 So let's be crazy. 
The CPU was backward engineered. With this "flaw" there on purpose, to be used in the future by the original designer. This how skynet becomes real.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 13:10:17 (permalink)
Where did you hear this ""flaw" there on purpose""

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 14:21:52 (permalink)
On My ASUS Rampage IV Formula Motherboard (X79) ASUS said they have no plans on providing a New Bios
The Last Bios Rampage-IV-Formula BIOS 5001 2014/12/26
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 14:29:14 (permalink)
No real worry for gamers or casual users. This basically can effect cloud services. Pointless mass hysteria and forcing none businesses to eat the patch to.

That said, I wont be upgrading this year, i'll wait for the 9XXX series and DDR4/5 :/

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 14:51:16 (permalink)
I am not worried, I am not going to patch BIOS or anything else if I can help it.
No one knows what this flaw is or how to exploit it, they have kept this in wraps quite well.
Hackers may never know how to exploit this.
I never go to websites I do not trust, never open email from people I do not know.
I run paid for antivirus software. and malwarebytes.  I am behind two firewalls.
Haven't had an issue with virus malware in years, and it was from others opening an email from a friends hacked account.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 15:13:57 (permalink)
No one knows what this flaw is nor how to exploit it? There are documents outlining the flaw, how to exploit it, and demonstration code which you can try yourself.

The "flaw" is that the CPU speculates about what you may want to do next, so it fetches and caches potentially future information but at the same time potentially fetches information which ends up being beyond the scope of the program. It's really more of a feature instead of a flaw, but it ends up being a flaw if exploited a certain way.

Of course CPU performance goes down when you disable speculation; since speculation was a performance enhancing feature. Too much hype over nothing.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 15:40:55 (permalink)
I am elated to read others are taking sensible course of action as the same as I.
 
I have not or think I will ever do anything with the Intel ME Firmware Update or the newest BIOS released four days ago (have already downloaded them both but are just in Downloads folder) until I start hearing the bad guys using the exploit.
I don't see the payoff in the gamble with the ME patch or the risk of flashing yet.
Only one thing I had done was apply the Intel AMT patch a month ago provided by Lenovo.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 16:05:18 (permalink)
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No one knows what this flaw is nor how to exploit it? There are documents outlining the flaw, how to exploit it, and demonstration code which you can try yourself.

The "flaw" is that the CPU speculates about what you may want to do next, so it fetches and caches potentially future information but at the same time potentially fetches information which ends up being beyond the scope of the program. It's really more of a feature instead of a flaw, but it ends up being a flaw if exploited a certain way.

Of course CPU performance goes down when you disable speculation; since speculation was a performance enhancing feature. Too much hype over nothing.

ok you hack my PC and tell me every folder on it and I will give you 50$
On your mark get set go.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 16:49:12 (permalink)
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No one knows what this flaw is nor how to exploit it? There are documents outlining the flaw, how to exploit it, and demonstration code which you can try yourself.

The "flaw" is that the CPU speculates about what you may want to do next, so it fetches and caches potentially future information but at the same time potentially fetches information which ends up being beyond the scope of the program. It's really more of a feature instead of a flaw, but it ends up being a flaw if exploited a certain way.

Of course CPU performance goes down when you disable speculation; since speculation was a performance enhancing feature. Too much hype over nothing.

ok you hack my PC and tell me every folder on it and I will give you 50$
On your mark get set go.

People have done it using javascript in a website. The vulnerability is incredibly slow at finding large amounts of data since the speculation is small and therefore it needs to step through memory a little bit at a time, but the vulnerability has proven to be able to read the entire system memory from a webpage. Is that scary enough?

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 17:42:28 (permalink)
No, not scared,not one person has been hacked by this, ever.
And if it is so slow and just a little at a time, you would to have to go to, stay at a infected website a long time.
Hundreds of people have access to my SS number, name, address, phone number and credit card number, god know what the NSA can do and has done.
I am not going to worry about a hack no one has used yet, and may not even be able to.
They will have to have access to your system or at least be connected to it, and for a long time, and you would of had to just use your passwords to still be in memory.
Until I hear of people really being hacked. it is just hype. Just like the year 2000 bug.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 17:43:01 (permalink)
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No real worry for gamers or casual users. This basically can effect cloud services. Pointless mass hysteria and forcing none businesses to eat the patch to.

That said, I wont be upgrading this year, i'll wait for the 9XXX series and DDR4/5 :/

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Because the hysteria over net neutrality regulations going away was so last year we now have the latest tech hysteria from computer illiterates with no clue.
 
I'm getting flashbacks of the Y2K hysteria.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 18:53:24 (permalink)
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No real worry for gamers or casual users. This basically can effect cloud services. Pointless mass hysteria and forcing none businesses to eat the patch to.

That said, I wont be upgrading this year, i'll wait for the 9XXX series and DDR4/5 :/

One more year with DDR3/i7 4790k...




Because the hysteria over net neutrality regulations going away was so last year we now have the latest tech hysteria from computer illiterates with no clue.
 
I'm getting flashbacks of the Y2K hysteria.


We need a like button.  like

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/06 19:01:56 (permalink)
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/07 03:18:47 (permalink)
So, Nvidia's on board too?

 
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/07 06:16:21 (permalink)
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/07 06:42:25 (permalink)
List of vulnerability advisories, patches and updates:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...s-and-updates/

Doesn't matter much which hardware or software you run. Essentially if you have a computer of some sort might as well check for this issue.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/07 07:29:31 (permalink)
Maybe Time To Merge the Threads. Or Maybe Create It's Own Sub Forum Area.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/07 21:29:13 (permalink)
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Not much of a performance hit on content and gaming as originally mention, but man if nvme storage is going to take that big of a hit, that's going to be a downer.
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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/08 08:48:21 (permalink)
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Not much of a performance hit on content and gaming as originally mention, but man if nvme storage is going to take that big of a hit, that's going to be a downer.


That is what I believe as well.

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Re: Intel: Serious Vulnerability Speculation in all CPUs 2018/01/08 11:10:35 (permalink)
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List of impacted ASUS motherboards and BIOS versions:
 
https://www.asus.com/News/V5urzYAT6myCC1o2?_ga=2.215405906.495410901.1515295027-1350774081.1486840488
 


Of course the Z97 boards get ignored.

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