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In a lot of ways they are. In a global economy, a US company or a Chinese company isn't so clear cut. However in the end, the country where the product is actually produced has the final influence.

Exactly.
....
Americans cant produce Iphone without China  *
But China can produce its Iphone without America, even a better one... **
To see more google Xiaomi....
Tough reality
.....

 
 

* As Cheaply
* By stealing technology
 
Where a product is manufactured is a choice made by the actual company that develops the product's supply chain.  China does it cheaper for a variety of reasons but that IN NO WAY means that the product can only be produced in China.  Even now we are seeing alternative manufacturing centers in development.

China is a HUGE market opportunity for every company in the world.  Their influence is tied to their ability to manufacture cheaply, and their consumer base.

But saying that they somehow own Apple, EVGA, Nvidia simply because they are the major source of that supply chain is like saying that Hershey's is owned by Ghana.

I'm starting to understand why EU doesn't have their own AIB's now.

You are starting to understand, I bet you do....

But what if people from China actually own stocks from these companies, could it be than that they are "double" owned from China?
I have few more tips for you, but I am waiting for you to finish starting of understanding about EU AiB's and US Electronics....

 

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In a lot of ways they are. In a global economy, a US company or a Chinese company isn't so clear cut. However in the end, the country where the product is actually produced has the final influence.

Exactly.
....
Americans cant produce Iphone without China  *
But China can produce its Iphone without America, even a better one... **
To see more google Xiaomi....
Tough reality
.....

 
 

* As Cheaply
* By stealing technology
 
Where a product is manufactured is a choice made by the actual company that develops the product's supply chain.  China does it cheaper for a variety of reasons but that IN NO WAY means that the product can only be produced in China.  Even now we are seeing alternative manufacturing centers in development.

China is a HUGE market opportunity for every company in the world.  Their influence is tied to their ability to manufacture cheaply, and their consumer base.

But saying that they somehow own Apple, EVGA, Nvidia simply because they are the major source of that supply chain is like saying that Hershey's is owned by Ghana.

I'm starting to understand why EU doesn't have their own AIB's now.

You are starting to understand, I bet you do....

But what if people from China actually own stocks from these companies, could it be than that they are "double" owned from China?
I have few more tips for you, but I am waiting for you to finish starting of understanding about EU AiB's and US Electronics....

 

Ooh, stocks.  
I was right: when you think that you have won an internet argument, you whine less.  

fdisessa
Queue is wearing me down. I am starting to see a lot of 6900XT in stock which seems to be a little more expensive the 3080TI. Not sure if I should hold out or go for AMD. I never bought an AMD card below and am not sure if there are any issues there?

Both are good options AMD cards have come a long way, I had a 5700XT before the 3080 and liked it. 
 
The 3080/3080TI/3090/6800XT/6900XT are all pretty similar performance out side of Ray tracing were Nvidia would lead the pack. With FSR it helps fill in the DLSS gap. At 4K Nvidia is little better, at 1080P AMD is a little better. at 1440P without Ray tracing all 5 of these cards are very similar. 

rahimdamji29
in my opinion if you can snag a 3080.... under 900.... its way better than any other card above it. The ftw3 with 450w will take the card at least to 2115mhz and  up the mem can easily do +1000 and up to 1300.... i see fps closer to that of a 3090... i mean is 10 more fps worth 400 to 1000 over that? I get it, we want the best of the best. But seriously.... the 3080 was nvidias biggest mistake, which benefits all of us smart people. =) dont buy into bs marketing. then there is the conspiracy theory... what if.... NVIDIA had this master plan all along to create this massive Demand? we all want what we cant have right? but seriously if you get a 3080 dont bother going higher. The 3060ti is the other card with awesome value... this is just my opinion on the whole thing. because who knows? end of this year or next year they might have a whole new gen with performance promises of what 10 to 20%? whole reason i didnt bother with 20 series. i had a 1080ti and that card is still awesome today... tbh... i think the 1080ti is the best value on the used market if you can snag one for 300 bucks!
 

That's nice rahimdamji29, now go ahead and tell me where I can get this mythical under $900 3080 and I'll jump right on that.

rahimdamji29

tredodson

rahimdamji29
in my opinion if you can snag a 3080.... under 900.... its way better than any other card above it. The ftw3 with 450w will take the card at least to 2115mhz and  up the mem can easily do +1000 and up to 1300.... i see fps closer to that of a 3090... i mean is 10 more fps worth 400 to 1000 over that? I get it, we want the best of the best. But seriously.... the 3080 was nvidias biggest mistake, which benefits all of us smart people. =) dont buy into bs marketing. then there is the conspiracy theory... what if.... NVIDIA had this master plan all along to create this massive Demand? we all want what we cant have right? but seriously if you get a 3080 dont bother going higher. The 3060ti is the other card with awesome value... this is just my opinion on the whole thing. because who knows? end of this year or next year they might have a whole new gen with performance promises of what 10 to 20%? whole reason i didnt bother with 20 series. i had a 1080ti and that card is still awesome today... tbh... i think the 1080ti is the best value on the used market if you can snag one for 300 bucks!
 

That's nice rahimdamji29, now go ahead and tell me where I can get this mythical under $900 3080 and I'll jump right on that.

Don’t be so salty, the flood gates are opening way up… you should be able to snag one soon. Hang in there! I’m sure everyone who wants a card will have one by October November…. Do u really think Nvidia isn’t going to be ramping up production to make money? I wouldn’t worry.

Yeah I guess I shouldn't be too salty about your response basically being "just buy a 3080 :4Head:"

johngalt2247

tredodson

rahimdamji29

tredodson

rahimdamji29
in my opinion if you can snag a 3080.... under 900.... its way better than any other card above it. The ftw3 with 450w will take the card at least to 2115mhz and  up the mem can easily do +1000 and up to 1300.... i see fps closer to that of a 3090... i mean is 10 more fps worth 400 to 1000 over that? I get it, we want the best of the best. But seriously.... the 3080 was nvidias biggest mistake, which benefits all of us smart people. =) dont buy into bs marketing. then there is the conspiracy theory... what if.... NVIDIA had this master plan all along to create this massive Demand? we all want what we cant have right? but seriously if you get a 3080 dont bother going higher. The 3060ti is the other card with awesome value... this is just my opinion on the whole thing. because who knows? end of this year or next year they might have a whole new gen with performance promises of what 10 to 20%? whole reason i didnt bother with 20 series. i had a 1080ti and that card is still awesome today... tbh... i think the 1080ti is the best value on the used market if you can snag one for 300 bucks!

That's nice rahimdamji29, now go ahead and tell me where I can get this mythical under $900 3080 and I'll jump right on that.

Don’t be so salty, the flood gates are opening way up… you should be able to snag one soon. Hang in there! I’m sure everyone who wants a card will have one by October November…. Do u really think Nvidia isn’t going to be ramping up production to make money? I wouldn’t worry.

Yeah I guess I shouldn't be too salty about your response basically being "just buy a 3080 :4Head:"

Sounds like someone doesn't want to do any work and have the 3080 handed to them....

Nah I'm on the list to get a 3080 Ti so I'll just let that ship sail right to me. I don't need to make it a literal job spending $1,000 on something and I'm not so poor I'll do tons of "work" to get a 3080 at MSRP whatever that even actually means instead of just patiently waiting for my turn at the 3080Ti.

gregdepot

fdisessa
Queue is wearing me down. I am starting to see a lot of 6900XT in stock which seems to be a little more expensive the 3080TI. Not sure if I should hold out or go for AMD. I never bought an AMD card below and am not sure if there are any issues there?

Both are good options AMD cards have come a long way, I had a 5700XT before the 3080 and liked it. 
 
The 3080/3080TI/3090/6800XT/6900XT are all pretty similar performance out side of Ray tracing were Nvidia would lead the pack. With FSR it helps fill in the DLSS gap. At 4K Nvidia is little better, at 1080P AMD is a little better. at 1440P without Ray tracing all 5 of these cards are very similar. 

It kind of depends on what you're coming from and what you value in gaming.  It seems the ray tracing performance of this round of AMD cards isn't great, or at least not nearly as good as this round of nVidia.  Otherwise, they seem to be great performing cards.  I think in a normal kind of world, the 6900xt is too pricey for what it is, but we aren't in that kind of world at this point.  Regardless, if your current GPU is a few years old, I don't think you would be disappointed going with one of AMD's cards at all.

Happy Friday morning.  This week has been a bit up and down.  Monday started slowly, Tuesday had some drops, Wednesday brought the reopening of three HC queues, and Thursday appeared to be a bit of a straggler catch-up day.  That leaves an open question for today's theme...which of course we won't know for another five hours or so.  
 
One thing that might help (or might not)...my daughter informed me today that "a tomato fixes everything." The girl loves her cherry tomatoes. So please take to heart that nugget of wisdom from the youngest amphibian in my neck of the woods...after this week, I frankly don't have anything better to offer you.  
 
Best of luck today and have a great weekend!
 
As of 8:45 am PT Friday, June 25, this is the status of the North American queues (bolded font represents movement from the morning of June 24; italicized parentheticals calculate the length of movement from the prior report)):
 
Card                                  SKU                        Most Recent Notify Timestamp to Receive an Invite to Purchase email
 
Ultra
3090 FTW3 Ultra                   3987                     11/13/2020 10:13:52     
3090 XC3 Ultra                     3975                     10/06/2020 09:10:42  
3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra                3967                     06/03/2021 07:44:04       (00:00:10)  
3080 Ti XC3 Ultra                  3955                     06/03/2021 07:22:35 
3080 FTW3 Ultra                   3897                     09/22/2020 11:50:20       (00:53:50) 
3080 XC3 Ultra                     3885                     09/18/2020 13:53:00       (00:52:29)    
3070 Ti FTW3 Ultra                3797                    06/10/2021 06:32:31  
3070 Ti XC3 Ultra                  3785                     06/15/2021 09:03:44
3070 FTW3 Ultra                   3767-KR                12/01/2020 11:02:47       (03:48:25) 
3070 FTW3 Ultra                   3767-KL                12/01/2020 11:02:47        (See update below) 
3070 XC3 Ultra                     3755                      11/30/2020 20:40:48 
3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra               3667                      12/01/2020 07:37:01  
 
Gaming
3090 FTW3 Gaming             3985                       09/24/2020 16:12:06      
3090 XC3 Gaming               3973                       09/24/2020 00:00:00
3080 FTW3 Gaming             3895                       09/21/2020 09:57:19 
3080 XC3 Gaming               3883                       09/16/2020 11:01:20
3070 Ti XC3 Gaming           3783                        06/10/2021 06:00:51 
3070 XC3 Gaming               3753                       10/29/2020 06:21:40  
3060 Ti FTW3 Gaming         3665                       12/08/2020 18:51:41  
3060 Ti XC3 Gaming           3663                       12/01/2020 07:35:17  
3060 XC3 Gaming               3657                       03/01/2021 08:43:55    (20:01:57)  
 
Black
3090 XC3 Black                   3971                       09/24/2020 00:00:00 
3080 XC3 Black                   3881                       09/16/2020 15:25:37 
3070 XC3 Black                   3751                       10/29/2020 06:31:11  
3060 XC3 Black                   3655                       02/25/2021 09:08:54 
 
Hybrid
3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid        3988                      12/17/2020 18:21:22     (32:51:21) 
3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid          3978                      12/14/2020 12:25:38
3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Hybrid    3968                      06/03/2021 07:41:49  
3080 Ti XC3 Ultra Hybrid       3958                      06/03/2021 07:42:16 
3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid        3898                      12/16/2020 09:10:17 
3080 XC3 Ultra Hybrid          3888                      12/10/2020 09:12:47 
 
Hydro Copper 
3090 FTW 3 Ultra HC            3989                       04/15/2021 10:00:25        (Straggler drop, same second)
3090 XC3 Ultra HC               3979                       06/23/2021 06:00:09 
3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra HC         3969                       06/03/2021 07:27:10 
3080 Ti XC3 Ultra HC            3959                       06/15/2021 09:03:27 
3080 FTW3 Ultra HC             3899                       06/23/2021 06:00:15 
3080 XC3 Ultra HC               3889                       06/23/2021 06:00:09 

K|NGP|N 
K|NGP|N HC (Queue)           3999                       06/15/2021 09:11:28  
K|NGP|N Hybrid (Queue)      3998                       01/18/2021 18:25:31 
K|NGP|N HC Kit                   1999                       04/23/2021 10:00:40 

 
May your remaining wait be shorter than you anticipate; it is already longer than you deserve.
 
Best of luck!
 
(Update 9:30 am PT): EVGA are giving transitioning folks in the 3767-KR queue into the 3767-KL queue, but offering them a one-time “opt-out” to stay in the -KR queue. I am not in this queue, but I would doubt that -KR inventory will be available anytime soon. In my opinion, if you don’t care about crypto-mining (the -KL queue is LHR), then I would make the switch. For purposes of the summary, I will add a -KL row and start them both with the current -KR timestamp. I doubt they will stay synced for long….
 

08G-P5-3767-KR auto changed to 08G-P5-3767-KL on notify page. New button option to change to -KR (not recommended)
 

 

wonder if any notifies will go out today...

This email is to notify you that there has been a change to your notification queue status. You previously signed up to be notified when 08G-P5-3767-KR became available, but due to ongoing product availability, you have been moved to the notification queue for 08G-P5-3767-KL, which features NVIDIA LHR. These cards offer the same gaming performance, but with reduced cryptomining performance (Etherium). The products are identical in every other way. To learn more about NVIDIA LHR, click here.

EVGA has taken these steps to increase availability and speed up the queue for gamers looking to purchase a graphics card. Your notification queue position remains the same. However, if you wish to remain in the notification queue for 08G-P5-3767-KR you may "opt out " of this move; you will be once again placed back in the notification queue with your previous sign-up time. Please note that EVGA strongly recommends against opting out, because there is no ETA for availability and no guarantee that your order will be fulfilled for your original part number. Moreover, once you opt out, you may neither request to be placed back in the queue for 08G-P5-3767-KL, nor request an order notification for 08G-P5-3767-KL; you may only be in one queue at a time.

I'm 3 hours from the 3070 FTW-KR timestamp. I'm going to stay KR and roll the dice. 

and they increase the limit to 2 per household for KL

i got the same email this morning.  I have no idea about mining etc., wth is the difference?  If it doesnt affect gaming, I dont care.  
any advice?

nezff
i got the same email this morning.  I have no idea about mining etc., wth is the difference?  If it doesnt affect gaming, I dont care.  
any advice?

Go with the new one (KL). No impact to gaming (or at least none that anyone has found yet). Nvidia will be stopping production of the KRs at some point, so you're much more likely to get a KL first.