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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 09:07:33 (permalink)
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Hahaha just recieved my 3rd ftw3 and whaddya know they sent me a refurb. Not at all happy with this. I've paid full retail price for 1 retail card that **** the bed and the third is in a plain non retail box with all the plastic removed from the card. So I'm paying full retail price for a second hand 3090. I will never use evga again what a terrible company.

 
Best of luck to you in your endeavor to get a BNIB card back from any other company's RMA system.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 09:25:39 (permalink)
USA, ERM well the first 2 RMA's were new in box so youre chatting ****e fella. 1800$ refurb cool. I'll see if this one works after work when I drain my loop swap tbe block to the new card and refill it again. If this one dies I'm definitely asking for a refund.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 10:36:18 (permalink)
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USA, ERM well the first 2 RMA's were new in box so youre chatting ****e fella. 1800$ refurb cool. I'll see if this one works after work when I drain my loop swap tbe block to the new card and refill it again. If this one dies I'm definitely asking for a refund.

You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 10:43:34 (permalink)
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USA, ERM well the first 2 RMA's were new in box so youre chatting ****e fella. 1800$ refurb cool. I'll see if this one works after work when I drain my loop swap tbe block to the new card and refill it again. If this one dies I'm definitely asking for a refund.

You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.



I've seen this mentioned a couple times now, could you provide some info on where to look once the cooler is off and what Part number is the new part number? I just sent mine out and will be putting on an Optimus Block once I receive the new one.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 11:03:12 (permalink)
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USA, ERM well the first 2 RMA's were new in box so youre chatting ****e fella. 1800$ refurb cool. I'll see if this one works after work when I drain my loop swap tbe block to the new card and refill it again. If this one dies I'm definitely asking for a refund.

You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.


now that is actually very helpful I would also be interested in where to look for this (as my card is currently stripped clean and awaiting its block) which I intend to install when I get out of work tonight.
 
Edit: this video is buildzoid analysing the PCB of the 3080 FTW3 but you can probably find the Voltage controller on the 3090 ftw3 using this video as they are very similar pcb's (disclaimer I am not an electrical engineer and I don't know much about PCB's)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM
post edited by badass1982 - 2021/05/10 11:57:33


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 12:05:38 (permalink)
This may help identify controller, post #5129
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245483
 
Post #5168
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245989
post edited by JaxMacFL - 2021/05/10 12:17:46

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 12:17:22 (permalink)
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This may help identify controller, post #5129
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245483
 
Post #5168https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245989


 
Thanks for that and I see what you mean, I will definatley check mine when I get home. TBF if this one lasts me at least until the next big series launch that's all im looking for, unfortuately im not convinced it will last much longer than the previous two.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 12:21:18 (permalink)
I have a 2014 serial card that I am gaming on since Dec 2020. With a 119% power limit it would average between 75-77W, but it has the PCI-E +12 power spikes to 81W at times.
At 100% power limit it usually hovers around 66-70W in most extreme workloads, and most of the time I keep it at 100%, except in some really demanding games, where every frame counts.
 
Also I think I got an above average or even a golden chip, since I was able to undervolt it at a decent clock, and can do 1950 @0.900V, 100% PL, 9752 MHz memory. If I RMA my card there is a big chance that I would get a worse chip, which I don't want to risk, especially since EVGA now is keeping the best bins for the K|NGP|N cards.
 
All BIOSes have low power limits and extreme throttling (XOC and K|NGP|N have massive thottling and I didn't try the 1000W BIOS since it is an idiotic thing to do on air cooling).
 
The only BIOS that worked for me was the XC3 BIOS since the BIOS cannot read the third PCI-E connector, GPU usually doesn't drop below 2050 MHz at 4k during high loads like 3DMark TimeSpy Extreme.
 
Since I am running a high-end mobo (Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero) and a reputable PSU (EVGA 1000 G3), I don't think I should bother RMAing the card, since many people got worse cards after RMA, especially those who are not from the US. 
post edited by hallmark888 - 2021/05/10 12:25:09
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 12:22:35 (permalink)
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JaxMacFL
This may help identify controller, post #5129
 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245483
 
Post #5168https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3245989


 
Thanks for that and I see what you mean, I will definatley check mine when I get home. TBF if this one lasts me at least until the next big series launch that's all im looking for, unfortuately im not convinced it will last much longer than the previous two.


Second link fixed now In original post.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 14:46:28 (permalink)
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You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.

I've seen this mentioned a couple times now, could you provide some info on where to look once the cooler is off and what Part number is the new part number? I just sent mine out and will be putting on an Optimus Block once I receive the new one.

NCP81610 is on the revised cards.


post edited by lobstar - 2021/05/10 14:53:37

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 14:57:21 (permalink)
I started the special RMA for my 3090 like a month ago and haven't gotten an update since is the stock situation still really bad? Im in the US 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 15:39:13 (permalink)
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I started the special RMA for my 3090 like a month ago and haven't gotten an update since is the stock situation still really bad? Im in the US 


You might want to follow up with EVGA directly on that (probably via that special RMA program email address).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 15:49:41 (permalink)
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You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.

I've seen this mentioned a couple times now, could you provide some info on where to look once the cooler is off and what Part number is the new part number? I just sent mine out and will be putting on an Optimus Block once I receive the new one.

NCP81610 is on the revised cards.




How did u clean the paste/pads off your card damn that looks clean.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 16:24:04 (permalink)
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You should definitely check the voltage controller before you put on your block. Saves you a lot of pain if you didn't receive a card with new revision pcb.

I've seen this mentioned a couple times now, could you provide some info on where to look once the cooler is off and what Part number is the new part number? I just sent mine out and will be putting on an Optimus Block once I receive the new one.

NCP81610 is on the revised cards.




This is your personal EVGA227 rev 1.0 (not 0.1) card? I've been having trouble finding pics of the 1.0 rev and I'd rather not disassemble mine as don't have replacement pads yet.
post edited by orez-bus - 2021/05/10 16:25:13
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 16:39:14 (permalink)
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How did u clean the paste/pads off your card damn that looks clean.

A toothbrush and isopropyl alcohol. It's not perfect but I tried.

 
orez-bus
 
This is your personal EVGA227 rev 1.0 (not 0.1) card? I've been having trouble finding pics of the 1.0 rev and I'd rather not disassemble mine as don't have replacement pads yet.

Yeah, this was taken when I was putting the block on my card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 21:56:31 (permalink)
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I have a 2014 serial card that I am gaming on since Dec 2020. With a 119% power limit it would average between 75-77W, but it has the PCI-E +12 power spikes to 81W at times.
At 100% power limit it usually hovers around 66-70W in most extreme workloads, and most of the time I keep it at 100%, except in some really demanding games, where every frame counts.
 
Also I think I got an above average or even a golden chip, since I was able to undervolt it at a decent clock, and can do 1950 @0.900V, 100% PL, 9752 MHz memory. If I RMA my card there is a big chance that I would get a worse chip, which I don't want to risk, especially since EVGA now is keeping the best bins for the K|NGP|N cards.
 
All BIOSes have low power limits and extreme throttling (XOC and K|NGP|N have massive thottling and I didn't try the 1000W BIOS since it is an idiotic thing to do on air cooling).
 
The only BIOS that worked for me was the XC3 BIOS since the BIOS cannot read the third PCI-E connector, GPU usually doesn't drop below 2050 MHz at 4k during high loads like 3DMark TimeSpy Extreme.
 
Since I am running a high-end mobo (Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero) and a reputable PSU (EVGA 1000 G3), I don't think I should bother RMAing the card, since many people got worse cards after RMA, especially those who are not from the US. 

I don't want to crush your dreams but this isn't a golden sample ;-) The card that I have sent in was 100% game stable 1965mhz@887mv.
Don't get me wrong, your chip is above average but not golden.
post edited by elbramso - 2021/05/10 21:59:03

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 22:34:31 (permalink)
So I have switched the new (3rd card) to it's stock 8 pin cables, and I noticed that the rsvd switch (which the zenith II extreme Alpha's manual specifically says not to turn on) was on too, can someone explain what this does and why it shouldnt be on? I'm currently running some 3dmark after flashing the xoc bios to the oc bios on the card (for some reason evga replaced my second brand new card with a used card) oh I checked the voltage controller too, this one has the older voltage controller the one I'm sending them back has the newer one , that card died.

I'm hoping this one doesn't die too although it was after a night I had turned the pc off then turned it on in the morning that the last one died.

Thanks

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/10 23:58:45 (permalink)
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I started the special RMA for my 3090 like a month ago and haven't gotten an update since is the stock situation still really bad? Im in the US 


You might want to follow up with EVGA directly on that (probably via that special RMA program email address).


Well I emailed to 3090OC@evga.com yet they have not even bothered to send any info if I am eligible or not (complete radio silence, not even confirmation they have received my email).


I thing this is no way to handle your customer especially when there is common knowledge about power balancing issues. Next GPU will be from another manufacturer as I would expect better for product of this price TAG.
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 04:32:57 (permalink)
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I started the special RMA for my 3090 like a month ago and haven't gotten an update since is the stock situation still really bad? Im in the US 


You might want to follow up with EVGA directly on that (probably via that special RMA program email address).


Well I emailed to 3090OC@evga.com yet they have not even bothered to send any info if I am eligible or not (complete radio silence, not even confirmation they have received my email).


I thing this is no way to handle your customer especially when there is common knowledge about power balancing issues. Next GPU will be from another manufacturer as I would expect better for product of this price TAG.
 




 
Wonder why they would pick and choose who gets a response and who does not...Sounds like a good reason to follow-up instead of bashing a company.
 
Did you include all the necessary information required within your email to them?  Multiple screen captures showing the power balance issue?  Did you make sure for some reason your "spam" filter on your email provider did not see it as spam or junk?  I had to fish mine out of the spam folder when it came in.  Just some thoughts as most of us had a response within 24 hours (depending on the day of the week it was sent in).

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 04:53:26 (permalink)
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I started the special RMA for my 3090 like a month ago and haven't gotten an update since is the stock situation still really bad? Im in the US 


You might want to follow up with EVGA directly on that (probably via that special RMA program email address).


Well I emailed to 3090OC@evga.com yet they have not even bothered to send any info if I am eligible or not (complete radio silence, not even confirmation they have received my email).


I thing this is no way to handle your customer especially when there is common knowledge about power balancing issues. Next GPU will be from another manufacturer as I would expect better for product of this price TAG.
 




 
Wonder why they would pick and choose who gets a response and who does not...Sounds like a good reason to follow-up instead of bashing a company.
 
Did you include all the necessary information required within your email to them?  Multiple screen captures showing the power balance issue?  Did you make sure for some reason your "spam" filter on your email provider did not see it as spam or junk?  I had to fish mine out of the spam folder when it came in.  Just some thoughts as most of us had a response within 24 hours (depending on the day of the week it was sent in).


NO bashing intended :-)
I am simply disappointed by lack of company communication and inability to admit that there is manufacturing problem. For example power balancing issue was already know during last year yet no-one admitted that it is a problem. My card was manufactured in 2021 (SN starting 2112) and it still has problem wit PCIE overstepping W by quite allot.
If I missed some details in the email I would at least expect some kind of feedback from EVGA part.
Any idea how to follow up? I have send already email querying status update.
 
It is over 3 business day without any response :-(
 
kind regards
Tomas
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 06:33:59 (permalink)
Hello All,
 
My replacement card should be here Friday after my RMA for the load balancing issues. 
What firmware version should I expect on the card? 
I have read that Precision X1 still wants to update the FW on replacement cards even though that Jacob said that the new cards should ship with the proper BIOS version?
I'd like to get your recommendations on how I should run it through its paces and what I should check?
Is there anything I should be looking for right off the bat?
I'm not sure what my SN will be, it wasn't listed, I guess I will have to wait until it arrives. 
 
Thank you, 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 06:42:58 (permalink)
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Hello All,
 
My replacement card should be here Friday after my RMA for the load balancing issues. 
What firmware version should I expect on the card? 
I have read that Precision X1 still wants to update the FW on replacement cards even though that Jacob said that the new cards should ship with the proper BIOS version?
I'd like to get your recommendations on how I should run it through its paces and what I should check?
Is there anything I should be looking for right off the bat?
I'm not sure what my SN will be, it wasn't listed, I guess I will have to wait until it arrives. 
 
Thank you, 
Jason

How did you manage RMA that card? regular RMA or mail to 3090OC@evga.com 
I struggle to set it up :-/
 
As for the card it depends on what version of PCB you get... I have saw some post when users got another card with same issue so probably same PCB version...
Edit: this bios should be on the V2 cards 94.02.42.C0.02 (but I don't have it so not sure)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:11:19 (permalink)
Can somebody clue me in a bit , I'm probably doing something wrong but with the new XOC OC 500w Bios my card only appears to be pulling 400w during Port Royal. Now granted I am only running at 1080p on my labs monitor and I haven't yet overclocked it, but I have the power limit maxxed out and also the voltage maxxed out. What gives, have i just got a lemon of a card?
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:26:29 (permalink)
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Can somebody clue me in a bit , I'm probably doing something wrong but with the new XOC OC 500w Bios my card only appears to be pulling 400w during Port Royal. Now granted I am only running at 1080p on my labs monitor and I haven't yet overclocked it, but I have the power limit maxxed out and also the voltage maxxed out. What gives, have i just got a lemon of a card?
 






Was the boost clock speed consistent? Try to OC and see how much power it draws. It looks like the replacement card has the PCI-E power limit issue too, seeing it maxed out at 80w. Which batch is this replacement card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:27:10 (permalink)
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Can somebody clue me in a bit , I'm probably doing something wrong but with the new XOC OC 500w Bios my card only appears to be pulling 400w during Port Royal. Now granted I am only running at 1080p on my labs monitor and I haven't yet overclocked it, but I have the power limit maxxed out and also the voltage maxxed out. What gives, have i just got a lemon of a card?
 




well it may be related to Power balancing issue, Your PCIE slot is over spec which should be 75W including 3.3V. GPU-Z does not count with that so PCIE in total is way over 80W.
another reason may be that 1080p is CPU bound so that may affect the card as well... Check GPU utilization graph to see if you are getting at least 97% utilization.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:31:16 (permalink)
Will check the above when I get my rig moved upstairs. Happy to have a rig to use for now (as long as it lasts night die tomorrow), as for the batch number , the serial of it starts with 2114 and it's a Taiwan card.

Gpu usage was hitting 99% and yep again limited to 400w.

Sti it's really ****ty that EVGA KEEP sending out cards with this issue.

I've used EVGA for a long time but I have to say this will be my last card with them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:39:38 (permalink)
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Hello All,
 
My replacement card should be here Friday after my RMA for the load balancing issues. 
What firmware version should I expect on the card? 
I have read that Precision X1 still wants to update the FW on replacement cards even though that Jacob said that the new cards should ship with the proper BIOS version?
I'd like to get your recommendations on how I should run it through its paces and what I should check?
Is there anything I should be looking for right off the bat?
I'm not sure what my SN will be, it wasn't listed, I guess I will have to wait until it arrives. 
 
Thank you, 
Jason

How did you manage RMA that card? regular RMA or mail to 3090OC@evga.com 
I struggle to set it up :-/
 
As for the card it depends on what version of PCB you get... I have saw some post when users got another card with same issue so probably same PCB version...
Edit: this bios should be on the V2 cards 94.02.42.C0.02 (but I don't have it so not sure)


Hello, 
I set it up using the 3090OC@evag.com email and included the information outlined in the second post of this thread. 
I just got my SN from EVGA, it is a 21141XXX.... number. 
I will check the VBIOS. 
 
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:42:06 (permalink)
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Will check the above when I get my rig moved upstairs. Happy to have a rig to use for now (as long as it lasts night die tomorrow), as for the batch number , the serial of it starts with 2114 and it's a Taiwan card.

Gpu usage was hitting 99% and yep again limited to 400w.

Sti it's really ****ty that EVGA KEEP sending out cards with this issue.

I've used EVGA for a long time but I have to say this will be my last card with them.

I almost fear to issue RMA... so far still waiting for response from that OC program.
my card is 2112 (china) so we may assume that both factories are affected... Really they should get rid of that OLD PCB.
Well I can but wonder how EVGA will handle if their product will fry my mobo and related stuff (worst case scenario) for good as the goods is clearly defective.
 
has anybody saw Jacob recently?


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 07:46:03 (permalink)
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Hello All,
 
My replacement card should be here Friday after my RMA for the load balancing issues. 
What firmware version should I expect on the card? 
I have read that Precision X1 still wants to update the FW on replacement cards even though that Jacob said that the new cards should ship with the proper BIOS version?
I'd like to get your recommendations on how I should run it through its paces and what I should check?
Is there anything I should be looking for right off the bat?
I'm not sure what my SN will be, it wasn't listed, I guess I will have to wait until it arrives. 
 
Thank you, 
Jason

How did you manage RMA that card? regular RMA or mail to 3090OC@evga.com 
I struggle to set it up :-/
 
As for the card it depends on what version of PCB you get... I have saw some post when users got another card with same issue so probably same PCB version...
Edit: this bios should be on the V2 cards 94.02.42.C0.02 (but I don't have it so not sure)


Hello, 
I set it up using the 3090OC@evag.com email and included the information outlined in the second post of this thread. 
I just got my SN from EVGA, it is a 21141XXX.... number. 
I will check the VBIOS. 

Thanks for the info,
lets see if 3090OC@evga.com reply to my email. I suspect that regular RMA will throw another faulty card in my way :-(
just to be sure is your replacement card OK?
 
Just to be sure I have send another request this time from GMAIL to rule out regional mailing problems.
 
kind regards
Tomas
post edited by spider1701 - 2021/05/11 08:09:07


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/05/11 08:40:46 (permalink)
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Can somebody clue me in a bit , I'm probably doing something wrong but with the new XOC OC 500w Bios my card only appears to be pulling 400w during Port Royal. Now granted I am only running at 1080p on my labs monitor and I haven't yet overclocked it, but I have the power limit maxxed out and also the voltage maxxed out. What gives, have i just got a lemon of a card?

The card won't pull more power than it needs. At 1080p you can't hit full power.

 
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