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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:13:44 (permalink)
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first it was "YoUr PsU iS nOt GoOd eNufF" now its "YoU cAnT pUsH a 3090 tO iTs LiMiTs, lIkE tHaT". If a Top of the line GPU cant play a game with default settings, or High settings, there is something wrong with that GPU.... The only thing to blame now is EVGA, they for  sure cheap out on a certain part within their 3090 FTW3.... LMK when ASUS or even ZOTAC has a Reddit thread with over 1k comments about their 3090 dying from playing a Game with a GTX 970 recommended requirement....


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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:14:13 (permalink)
First 6900XT and 6800 blew up from new world. So its not tied to evga or nvidia cards
 
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:16:54 (permalink)
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Here's the first anecdotal account of out of the normal operating parameters I've seen, vram junction temps of 115C:
 
 
 

the 3090s have vram on the bottom that runs at 100C during normal gaming, and someone did report seeing 115C during new worlds on his ftw3, a majority of the bricks seem to be evga but there are reports of abnormal temps and power surges even on other hardware. Though the bricks seem to be caused by something else (signs points toward extremely high fps in the menus, causing a power surge in an already flawed card model), 115C vram temp doesn't help. My old gpu had massive coilwhine over 200fps, with the increased horsepower of the 3090, going over 9000 fps in the menus might be a condition that can pop a cheap capacitor consistently.
 Of course, I would like to see any other accounts of how the card was operating at the time of failure. 

Could the vram temp be directly connected to the to killing the gpu though, Im not even sure if high frame rate cause even cause high temp on vram though.




Well, the vram does take power. It uses more power depending on what kind of load it is under and what kind of overclock it has.  Like most silicon it takes more power to do a task the hotter it gets.  24GB is alotta vram.  For it to get to 110C+ quickly it has to be drawing a ton of power under a high load.  Is a high framerate, chucking a bunch of data in and out of vram, something that could cause high power use?  Seems like a reasonable theory.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:19:46 (permalink)
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First 6900XT and 6800 blew up from new world. So its not tied to evga or nvidia cards
 




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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:19:51 (permalink)
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Here's the first anecdotal account of out of the normal operating parameters I've seen, vram junction temps of 115C:
 
 
 

the 3090s have vram on the bottom that runs at 100C during normal gaming, and someone did report seeing 115C during new worlds on his ftw3, a majority of the bricks seem to be evga but there are reports of abnormal temps and power surges even on other hardware. Though the bricks seem to be caused by something else (signs points toward extremely high fps in the menus, causing a power surge in an already flawed card model), 115C vram temp doesn't help. My old gpu had massive coilwhine over 200fps, with the increased horsepower of the 3090, going over 9000 fps in the menus might be a condition that can pop a cheap capacitor consistently.
 Of course, I would like to see any other accounts of how the card was operating at the time of failure. 

Could the vram temp be directly connected to the to killing the gpu though, Im not even sure if high frame rate cause even cause high temp on vram though.




Well, the vram does take power. It uses more power depending on what kind of load it is under and what kind of overclock it has.  Like most silicon it takes more power to do a task the hotter it gets.  24GB is alotta vram.  For it to get to 110C+ quickly it has to be drawing a ton of power under a high load.  Is a high framerate, chucking a bunch of data in and out of vram, something that could cause high power use?  Seems like a reasonable theory.

And that is the owner's fault?

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:21:54 (permalink)
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First 6900XT and 6800 blew up from new world. So its not tied to evga or nvidia cards
 




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Was a post on twitter that people messaged jayztwocents so far that I could see.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:30:00 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:34:22 (permalink)
so like 90% of the cards are EVGAs, the rest are a mix of AMD/Nvidia AIBs... lol. EVGA, just come out and own up.... They probably email Jay, Bro you gotta chill, or youre not getting the SUPER cards when it comes out...
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:38:19 (permalink)
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so like 90% of the cards are EVGAs, the rest are a mix of AMD/Nvidia AIBs... lol. EVGA, just come out and own up.... They probably email Jay, Bro you gotta chill, or youre not getting the SUPER cards when it comes out...


Thats because evga sold the most cards
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:38:35 (permalink)
 
 
 






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TWO people have written me and told me their 6900xt blew up in the New World game... so that alone PROVES if's not isolated to a single card brand or type. Y'all need to chill until brands have a chance to investigate
 
 
 
 





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Literally as I wrote that an email about a 6800 came in.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:41:12 (permalink)
I will stay away !
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:44:40 (permalink)
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this is a good piece of evidence.
 
he says that with the power cables connected to the GPU, when he trips the PSU on, it shuts off instantly. This indicates a short to ground through the VGA cable connector. I've been watching a lot of GPU repair videos lately and it seems like most times you have a short to ground through the PCIe connector, it's a blown/failed power stage of some kind. 

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:47:47 (permalink)
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Here's the first anecdotal account of out of the normal operating parameters I've seen, vram junction temps of 115C:
 
 
 

the 3090s have vram on the bottom that runs at 100C during normal gaming, and someone did report seeing 115C during new worlds on his ftw3, a majority of the bricks seem to be evga but there are reports of abnormal temps and power surges even on other hardware. Though the bricks seem to be caused by something else (signs points toward extremely high fps in the menus, causing a power surge in an already flawed card model), 115C vram temp doesn't help. My old gpu had massive coilwhine over 200fps, with the increased horsepower of the 3090, going over 9000 fps in the menus might be a condition that can pop a cheap capacitor consistently.
 Of course, I would like to see any other accounts of how the card was operating at the time of failure. 

Could the vram temp be directly connected to the to killing the gpu though, Im not even sure if high frame rate cause even cause high temp on vram though.




Well, the vram does take power. It uses more power depending on what kind of load it is under and what kind of overclock it has.  Like most silicon it takes more power to do a task the hotter it gets.  24GB is alotta vram.  For it to get to 110C+ quickly it has to be drawing a ton of power under a high load.  Is a high framerate, chucking a bunch of data in and out of vram, something that could cause high power use?  Seems like a reasonable theory.

And that is the owner's fault?



Is that your opinion?  I personally monitor the HWiNFO vram junction temp at all times of any card I'm working with, I've got it on OSD from HWiNFO to Riva Tuner, even though I use X1 for OC I've never had much luck with it's OSD.  Could I blame someone for not taking elaborate steps to monitor a dozen different parameters while gaming?  Nah.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:47:58 (permalink)
Class action Lawsuit incoming? Game kills 100s of 3090s for unknown reasons...
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:59:06 (permalink)
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Class action Lawsuit incoming? Game kills 100s of 3090s for unknown reasons...



Do people not realize that part of the EULA/ToS is a section where you agreed they're not liable for these kinds of things?
It's super duper standard to include clauses like that.

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:59:21 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 17:59:30 (permalink)
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Did EVGA ever make a comment about the red light issue?  I though Jacob implied he would some months ago.

Haven’t seen anything.



 
If I recall, he posted that there was information coming on the issue, then shortly thereafter deleted the tweet. Certainly opens the door for loads of conspiracy theories that management didn't want to let the cat out of the bag and cause a lawsuit or recall.
 
At any rate, the silence and modifications to RMA requirements (for example, no troubleshooting required when RLOD reported) is very telling. What its telling you, I leave up to your interpretation, but it isn't good at any level.

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:02:08 (permalink)
You can still play the game, but it is recommended that you 'TURN ON' v-sync.  Sure, it's not preferable, sure, it will limit your card, but it will allow you to play the game with some piece of mind knowing that your card isn't gonna go POP!
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:03:54 (permalink)
Theres no reason a game with unlocked fps should be able to kill any gpu of any kind... Theres more to it then we can see.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:06:58 (permalink)
I bet this has to do with the 3090 ftw3's garbage unbalance power rails. They designed it with subpar parts and is the reason why they'll send you a new one.

It enrages me that I spent so much wanting to stick with evga and all they do is deflect my email when I told them about the issue stating "there is no real wotld benefit to switch to a new card with the power delivery it should have had in the first place".... well what do we have here.

Rediculous and cheap.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:11:11 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
I will add some of my experiences.
 
My setup: Intel Core i9 10900K@5.1GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Master, G.Skill Trident Z 3600MHz, be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500W, EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra (PCB Rev. 1.0/BIOS 94.02.42.80.27) PL@119%/Core+100/Memory+200/Voltage+100, Framerate capped to 160FPS via PX1 all the time @1440p - These are my daily gaming settings
 
I played "New World" yesterday and today for a total of 8 hours and everything was normal for me. Some say it is the high utilization with the high fps that causes the death of the cards. But I don't know. I mean, I play Battlefield 4 with a average of 499 Watts and 100% GPU utilization without problems for hours. I only see maximum wattage in the menu of "New World". Ingame, "New World" could rarely use all the power of the card, so it is strange why this guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6sYOqPPTN0 GPU died ingame (with low fps like it seems).
 
It would be good to know if only the cards with the old PCB Rev. 0.1 have this problem.
 
Kind regards.
 
EDIT: Memory Junction never goes above 90s in "New World"
 
 




Thanks for posting your experiences, seems to be lining up with what people are saying over on Reddit, they were fine if they had a frame rate cap set.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:15:41 (permalink)
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Well, the vram does take power. It uses more power depending on what kind of load it is under and what kind of overclock it has.  Like most silicon it takes more power to do a task the hotter it gets.  24GB is alotta vram.  For it to get to 110C+ quickly it has to be drawing a ton of power under a high load.  Is a high framerate, chucking a bunch of data in and out of vram, something that could cause high power use?  Seems like a reasonable theory.

And that is the owner's fault?

Is that your opinion?

No, earlier it was yours.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:20:15 (permalink)
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TWO people have written me and told me their 6900xt blew up in the New World game... so that alone PROVES if's not isolated to a single card brand or type. Y'all need to chill until brands have a chance to investigate..

Based on that statement The game is killing the cards unbelievable..

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:22:33 (permalink)
Tried to run this game for 20 minutes, I have maxed out graphics settings on the main menu, turn off V-Sync, create new characters, then play around for about 10 minutes.
I tried both stock clock settings and my undervoting overclock settings, and using the 500w vBIOS all the time, Luckily my 3090 is still alive.
 
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5900X
3090 FTW3 Hybrid Ultra(stock settings with no FPS limit)
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BIOS: 94.02.42.C0.11
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OS: Windows 11 22000.71
 
Seems this game have some scenario cause GPU utilization from 0% to 100% in a second, also GPU is running 76C in New World, it's couple degrees hotter than other games. I think this is still totally fine for a game. I don't think a game was able to kill my graphics card, Only graphics cards can have design flaws.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:22:40 (permalink)
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Based on that statement The game is killing the cards unbelievable..

Not exactly. The cards could be using some of the same components.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:26:57 (permalink)
How many evga 3090 revisions are there and does this issue affect all revisions or just one in particular?
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:33:23 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:33:46 (permalink)
Here is the first report I've seen of a blown 3080:
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/newworldgame/comments/oobi56/did_the_new_world_beta_brick_your_gpu/h5zmx19/?context=3
 

I had the same problem with the same game and waiting in the menu.EVGA RTX 3080 FTW - I bought 9 months ago.i5 8600k32gb ram 3400mhzEnermax Revolution DF 850w Black Screen, fans spin to max, and no signal, gpu dead.I tried my old gtx 1080 and is working, and the internal gpu of the i5 8600k.I connected again the Rtx 3080 but no signal, seems like is dead... I just downloaded the latest drivers and was ready to play new world beta. 
 
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League of Legends had their FTW3s die also), pretty much means that every non PCB revision 1.0 FTW3 (the bad cards are revision 0.1 PCB, the fixed cards are revision 1.0 PCB) is a ticking time bomb. Suggest you guys contact EVGA for the digital VRM upgrade fix and 1.0 revision PCB.
Wow thanksI had the evga 3080 ftw ultra revision 0.1My GPU just died yesterday at the start menu on New World with a black screen and the fans started to run at 100%.I opened a support ticket on evga, I hope they answer soon. 
 
 
Looks like an earlier card.  Interesting to note the older 6/6 c/t CPU.  No word on settings or res/fps, but cited menu screen.
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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:38:55 (permalink)
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Tried to run this game for 20 minutes, I have maxed out graphics settings on the main menu, turn off V-Sync, create new characters, then play around for about 10 minutes.
I tried both stock clock settings and my undervoting overclock settings, Luckily my 3090 is still alive.
 
My spec:
5900X
3090 FTW3 Hybrid Ultra(stock settings with no FPS limit)
Revision: IDK
Driver: 471.41
BIOS: 94.02.42.C0.11
4K@144hz Display with HDR enabled
32G 3600mhz RAM
1000W Seasonic 80+Titanium PSU
OS: Windows 11 22000.71
 
Seems this game have some scenario cause GPU utilization from 0% to 100% in a second, also GPU is running 76C in New World, it's couple degrees hotter than other games. I think this is still totally fine for a game. I don't think a game was able to kill my graphics card, Only graphics cards can have design flaws.




if FPS is believed to be a factor in the death of these cards, you might have a better chance of killing your card if you drop the resolution to 1080/1440p and lower some detail settings to really crank up the FPS.
 
cranking the settings all the way up just results in lower FPS, although maybe more stressful for the GPU core itself.
 
I think it's some power delivery component that's failing though, not the GPU core. if a power stage fails, the card wont turn on and will appear "bricked", even if the GPU core itself is more or less functional, provided the stage failure didnt allow 12V to get into the GPU core.

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Re: EVGA 3090 owners - do NOT play New World game right now as it might kill the card 2021/07/21 18:45:19 (permalink)
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Eisai_Kurosawa
Tried to run this game for 20 minutes, I have maxed out graphics settings on the main menu, turn off V-Sync, create new characters, then play around for about 10 minutes.
I tried both stock clock settings and my undervoting overclock settings, Luckily my 3090 is still alive.
 
My spec:
5900X
3090 FTW3 Hybrid Ultra(stock settings with no FPS limit)
Revision: IDK
Driver: 471.41
BIOS: 94.02.42.C0.11
4K@144hz Display with HDR enabled
32G 3600mhz RAM
1000W Seasonic 80+Titanium PSU
OS: Windows 11 22000.71
 
Seems this game have some scenario cause GPU utilization from 0% to 100% in a second, also GPU is running 76C in New World, it's couple degrees hotter than other games. I think this is still totally fine for a game. I don't think a game was able to kill my graphics card, Only graphics cards can have design flaws.




if FPS is believed to be a factor in the death of these cards, you might have a better chance of killing your card if you drop the resolution to 1080/1440p and lower some detail settings to really crank up the FPS.
 
cranking the settings all the way up just results in lower FPS, although maybe more stressful for the GPU core itself.
 
I think it's some power delivery component that's failing though, not the GPU core. if a power stage fails, the card wont turn on and will appear "bricked", even if the GPU core itself is more or less functional, provided the stage failure didnt allow 12V to get into the GPU core.




I agree FPS is factor, seems many died 3090 was running with a 1440P display.
However I already refund the game on steam, I can't test it futher
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