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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 03:54:34 (permalink)
Yeah please give increased power limit to xc3, that was the only card i could find :(
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 04:24:46 (permalink)
What’s the advantage of a higher power limit?
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 04:51:49 (permalink)
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What’s the advantage of a higher power limit?


Well, simply put, it allows for higher and more stable clock speeds, especially when the card is put under water and temperature isn't a concern any longer. With the default 366W vBIOS, you're super limited in that regards, even with undervolting to something lik 0.800V or even lower than that since you're constantly hitting the cards power limit.
post edited by Rainer_Stahl - 2020/10/24 04:53:54
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 10:44:08 (permalink)
Mine also can't seem to go past 340w even with increased power limit in X1 or AB...
 
Why is that?  
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 13:11:31 (permalink)
Asus is apparently releasing a tuf bios, cmon evga tuf has 2x8pin aswell, show xc3 some love.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 16:12:00 (permalink)
Come on guys at EVGA this is such a dissapointment!!
 
The power slide at 108% is only for looks???
 
Both bios from xc3 & xc3 ultra are stated 340 to 366w but won't go past 340w.
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/225578/evga-rtx3080-10240-200902-1
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/225499/evga-rtx3080-10240-200902
 
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 16:26:51 (permalink)
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Come on guys at EVGA this is such a dissapointment!!
 
The power slide at 108% is only for looks???
 
Both bios from xc3 & xc3 ultra are stated 340 to 366w but won't go past 340w.
 

 

 


Not sure whats going on there, but my 3090 XC3 Ultra is definitly going up to 366W max (before clocks start fluctuating cause it's actually hitting power limit). Afterburner says 104% power, which should be 105% (EVGA program says 105%).
 
Anyway, even 366W is not nearly enough for a 3090 to achieve decent stable clocks. 400W would be sufficient I guess, with some undervolting applied.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 16:27:23 (permalink)
yeah mine is stuck at 340w max aswell **** evga
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 17:16:36 (permalink)
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Not sure whats going on there, but my 3090 XC3 Ultra is definitly going up to 366W max (before clocks start fluctuating cause it's actually hitting power limit). Afterburner says 104% power, which should be 105% (EVGA program says 105%).
 
Anyway, even 366W is not nearly enough for a 3090 to achieve decent stable clocks. 400W would be sufficient I guess, with some undervolting applied.


They will be hitting the GPU Chip power limit. Which is 200W on 3080 XC3 and 250W on 3090 XC3.
On high leakage chips you wont even hit the board power limit because of the chip power limit being hit first.aa

You can look back to page 1 for the scaling my card had with power.
Nearly 1000 points in port royal going from 366W to 390W.
Then another 700 point going from 390W to 450W.

We wont ever get a bios over 375W since thats the max spec of the slot and 2X 8 pins.
But there are some issues they need to fix up with the bios.
Losen up the chip power draw on the 3080 xc3 so every one can use the full board power.
Release a 375W bios for the 3090 XC3, A power slider up to 400W would be nice but doubt it would happen.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 21:34:10 (permalink)
This is what my power draw looks like.  3840x1600 resolution, everything maxed out in Control.  The power just sits around 300-310W and the boost fluctuates about 1740-1755.
 
Is that expected/normal?
 
 
 
Not sure why the picture won't show up ... but this is the URL: <a href="https://ibb.co/nj5Y0NJ"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/CQTYt3G/GPU-Z-Control.gif" alt="GPU-Z-Control" border="0"></a>
 
post edited by Drek82 - 2020/10/24 21:39:17
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/24 23:17:29 (permalink)
Uh, 375W is a strong “recommendation”. The FE card can draw up to 400W with two 8-pins hooked up to the adapter. You can absolutely draw 400W through two 8-pins safely on a decent PSU, but that also depends on how confident the AIB is on the board quality and how close that would bring it to their fancy flagship model with three 8-pins.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/25 05:54:02 (permalink)
Yeah the thing is i would get the fancy flagship model if i could ever find one. This is the one i got and this is the one i want decent performance from.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/25 20:14:48 (permalink)
https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/1320443820681482240
 
Not happening for the time being for the reason others have pointed out about the 2 - 8pin connectors. 

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/10/26 01:33:49 (permalink)
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Not happening for the time being for the reason others have pointed out about the 2 - 8pin connectors. 


Bummer... well, Gigabyte BIOS it is then...
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 10:04:24 (permalink)
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rain2_usa
 
 
Not happening for the time being for the reason others have pointed out about the 2 - 8pin connectors. 


Bummer... well, Gigabyte BIOS it is then...


 
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So you did flash the Gigabyte Gaming OC BIOS to the XC3 card? Did you notice any difference regarding video-ports or anything else behaving differently?

I might just do the same once I get my water block... unless, of course, there'll be an official EVGA vBIOS update :)
 
Thanks!



All work on mine,
Other have reported the middle one being disabled while on that bios.
The Aorus master bios tho I only have HDMI and DP1 that work, Thats another 390W bios.







Any luck with the Gigabyte Bios? Any suggestion or things to report? No issue? No fan problem? Using X1 or Afterburner or both? Sorry to shout but I'm really trying to get some more idea with this XC3 black I got. The power limit appears very strict and the slider do nothing.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 16:10:46 (permalink)
I just flash the FTW3 bios onto my XC3 works fine gives you around a 400w power limit.

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 16:28:51 (permalink)
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I just flash the FTW3 bios onto my XC3 works fine gives you around a 400w power limit.



Which one specifically? 
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 16:48:55 (permalink)
I used the FTW3 Ultra bios, force flashed the default bios off TPU then just updated using the exe from the forum, its been running sweet for 3 days zero issues.

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 16:51:27 (permalink)
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I used the FTW3 Ultra bios, force flashed the default bios off TPU then just updated using the exe from the forum, its been running sweet for 3 days zero issues.



Oh. Interesting. I only tried doing the 94.02.26.48.88 directly, didn't do the one with an extra update and it yielded no performance improvement. Can you tell me what your current bios are in GPU-Z if you have the time? 
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 17:01:42 (permalink)
Use this bios instead of the gigabyte one.
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/226727/226727

That card has same power stage layout.
default power limit 350W, Slider goes up to 111.6% which is 390W.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 17:54:26 (permalink)
Will have to check when I get home, the FTW3 is just a XC3 with a extra 8pin and extra VRMs for power delivery apart from that its a reference board with extra temp sensors, pretty sad to tell the truth.

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/26 18:55:42 (permalink)
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we tested the 450W FTW bios in the XC3, and it takes the power consumption that is taking from the first 8pin connector as it was the same on that virtual 3rd 8pin connector, so you end having a real lower power limit.
 
We measured it with an AX1200i, and we have a higher power limit with the default XC3 Bios which is around 340W
 
Can we please get at least a 375 or 400 W VBIOS for this card? It would be great for those who intend watercooling it



Not sure about you but mine pulls more with the FTW3 i can push my card to 200+ on the core.

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/27 04:47:50 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/551361
On the bios I posted above.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/27 06:44:46 (permalink)
we need to find a bios for the 3080 with does 390w

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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/27 12:01:26 (permalink)
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we need to find a bios for the 3080 with does 390w




Any luck on the bios version that you are using? Just wanted quick confirmation before I jump to do the same thing. Since I'm not sure I already tried that bios.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/30 17:54:02 (permalink)
I tried to get in touch with Jacob on Twitter today and he actually confirmed that there's no plan to increase power limit on the XC3 due to cooling and VRM solutions.
It sucks because I have great temps on my 3080 XC3 Ultra but the card just can't sustain 2.0Ghz under heavy load (sometimes not even 1900), and it's all because of the power limit. 320w is extremely restrictive, i feel like even a small bump into the 350-360 could be great for us.
I really hope they'll reconsider, I don't think an extra 40w would set my card on fire.
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/30 17:56:02 (permalink)
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I tried to get in touch with Jacob on Twitter today and he actually confirmed that there's no plan to increase power limit on the XC3 due to cooling and VRM solutions.
It sucks because I have great temps on my 3080 XC3 Ultra but the card just can't sustain 2.0Ghz under heavy load (sometimes not even 1900), and it's all because of the power limit. 320w is extremely restrictive, i feel like even a small bump into the 350-360 could be great for us.
I really hope they'll reconsider, I don't think an extra 40w would set my card on fire.


Yeah. Even if the power slider works as advertised it would be great. 330 * 1.08 would still be 356. Which is more than enough to at least perform similarly to other AIBs. I don't need anything else. Just get that slider actually working would be wonderful even if we don't get the full 366w as stated in the bios.
 
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/11/30 19:50:06 (permalink)
Thats a real cop out of a excuse 3080 xc3 has 16 stage vrm 2 less then the 3090 xc3 and the same cooler.
The VRM will do 600W no worries.
The XC3 cooler isnt bad it handled 450W fine on my 3090 in a well ventalated case.

You could speculate that keeping the XC3 gimped would help FTW sales.


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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/12/04 08:42:35 (permalink)
Just found this thread after a little reading, I'll be replacing my 3080 FE with the 3080 xc3 ultra hybrid.  Kind of was wondering if there would ever be a bios update to increase the power limit now that we have these hybrid cards?  

3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 
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Re: XC3 bios update? Show the same love you gave to FTW3 2020/12/04 09:16:23 (permalink)
Doubt it for now, but I hope they are gonna release at least one that allows to get to 360W
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