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I don't mean this to be a rant or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious why hasn't the Earth's collective space program done more than it has. I understand that money is a huge issue but when I think about all the different things that get packed into a space launch package; I find myself wondering why there aren't a hundred Mars Pathfinder's on Mars. Or why not send a hundred Voyager type probes out to inspect the solar system. Cassini probes, Hubble Space Telescopes or whatever you can think of. It just seems a little lame to me that Space hasn't been better explored either through remote means or through manned space travel.
The Voyager probes had less than a contemporary calculator's worth of data processing. Why not send hundreds into Space? To create a sense of scale, if the Earth was the size of an orange then the ISS would be about 1/8 of an inch above the surface. That ain't jack, bro. Do you know what I'm saying?
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 14:54:38
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most of the crap that gets launched in to space are satellites. but there are a bunch of probes like you are talking about that were already launched that just haven't made it to where they're going yet. we still get info from the Voyager spacecrafts that were launched in 1977 and they're way out in the heliosphere by now and are almost in interstellar space.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 15:07:17
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The space program was eliminated from the National Budget because americans dont care about education anymore.
Stupify the nation, call it a free country, enslave the people to a flasehood of lies and religious domination.
Theres only one problem with that, there will still be intellectuals who choose to learn.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 15:10:01
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The space program was eliminated from the National Budget because americans dont care about education anymore.
Stupify the nation, call it a free country, enslave the people to a flasehood of lies and religious domination.
Theres only one problem with that, there will still be intellectuals who choose to learn.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 15:53:57
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I'm not sure how your getting religion into this but I would like it to not get the thread locked.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 15:56:11
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I hope the space program gets back into gear soon...
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 15:59:08
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Well, I am an authority on the subject. EVGA started their own space program, using EGC members. Initial results have been less than ideal, however EVGA remains committed to reaching "final frontier". Here is some recently declassified footage of EVGA's attempts:
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:00:25
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franbunnyffxii
The space program was eliminated from the National Budget because americans dont care about education anymore.
Stupify the nation, call it a free country, enslave the people to a flasehood of lies and religious domination.
Theres only one problem with that, there will still be intellectuals who choose to learn.
Seriously? The reason behind the declining governmental NASA budget is due to economic factors, not those of religious or educational reasons. Typically when you have a starving family at home, you tend not to invest in the stock market in order to hopefully get monetary gains "sometime" down the road. While I agree that we should increase funding for agencies like NASA, the reality of the matter is that until the national/global economy recovers, there will be little to no political or popular support for agencies and expenditures seen as "superfluous".
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:01:46
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I hope the space program gets back into gear soon...
given that nasa's budget has been cut so many times its unlikely that we should expect to see much if anything from them for years. problem is we dont have a goal for space anymore. there isnt a 1st man on the moon type of driving force to push us ever forward anymore. just more of the "oh look another mission to the ISS.. yea..  i doubt that man's return to the moon or manned flights to Mars will do much to stir public interest in the now dead space program. sad really..
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:06:57
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Don't fight over nasa or US government. He asked why we as a people, as in the people of earth not just the US, haven't done more than we have. I don't know if any other countries have done anything past the moon race, other than Mexico's whale to the moon launch recently documented on south park.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:06:58
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I hope the space program gets back into gear soon...
Not without government funding. And if they desided to cancel it and put all those rocket scientists and physicists out on their butts... I dont think that's going to happen anytime soon. Space travel will be Privetized now... What a shame. :< I know i saw a picture of the space shuttle adorned with Mcdonalds, Coke and Hershys branding on it. I think I died a little when I saw that SETI was being shutdown... What are they going to do with those radio telescope arrays now?
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:15:42
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I would like to know exactly what is wrong with privatizing the space program.
If you look throughout history since the beginning of the industrial revolution, privatized companies, economies, and agencies have made leaps and bounds in terms of progress and innovation. If anything the stagnant state in which government agencies such as NASA lend credence to the push towards the privatization of space exploration and research.
For those of you who doubt this, how many of you think that we would be using better equipment right now if only the government was in charge of developing and implementing new computer technology?
Exactly.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:22:53
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NASA is not the only one that took financial cuts, our schools did too, which directly effects future of our nation and it sure isn't getting smarter that way.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:23:41
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It would be really slow I'd imagine, like Gm vehicles.
My personal opinion, master our planet before we master the universe (or travelling I should say). I'd rather have billions spent on something related to energy production from solar or other beneficial means, then lets say something scouting the universe for some amount of time and finding what, the asteroid to end life as we know it?
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:29:20
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I'd rather have billions spent on something related to energy production from solar or other beneficial means, then lets say something scouting the universe for some amount of time and finding what, the asteroid to end life as we know it?
Actually, Id think that finding a "doomsday" asteroid would be rather beneficial use of said resources... but to each his own?
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:39:34
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It would be really slow I'd imagine, like Gm vehicles.
My personal opinion, master our planet before we master the universe (or travelling I should say). I'd rather have billions spent on something related to energy production from solar or other beneficial means, then lets say something scouting the universe for some amount of time and finding what, the asteroid to end life as we know it?
The race to space, hope it wasn't a waste.
Uhm, GM and Mercedes Benz lead the industry in numerous advances in automobiles and spends tons of money on R&D. Now I do think we could do better on planet, but as long as the current energy and fuel giants have control it isn't going to happen. Our own greed is holding us back from greater things.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:40:56
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shogon
I'd rather have billions spent on something related to energy production from solar or other beneficial means, then lets say something scouting the universe for some amount of time and finding what, the asteroid to end life as we know it?
Actually, Id think that finding a "doomsday" asteroid would be rather beneficial use of said resources... but to each his own?
and what do we do when they do find one? do you think we actually have the capability of doing anything to prevent the global destruction when it hits? short answer: no.. all we can do as a people is band together and attempt to survive the aftermath. so throwing billions at looking for objects that will hit the earth is a complete waste of capitol in my book.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 16:43:47
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No, the true reason behind the decline of the space program is that it's tied to Congressional spending and budgets. That is why Orbital Sciences and SpaceX are a good thing and will be showing some major things in the next next year. SpaceX will be demoing their ability to support the international space station in November and Orbital Sciences will follow up with theirs early next year. The best thing that could happen to spaceflight is to get it out of politicians hands. Politicians are poison for progress. The socialist minority of the population are always up in arms about NASA eating into their entitlement money. This is one way to marginalize NASA spending yet see decent progress into new spaceflight development. Boeing also has a private spaceflight option on the table for roughly 2015 time frame. In the next 5 years should be some really interesting progress through new sources. My statements are not differentiating between manned and unmanned but private industry is exploring both capabilities at the moment.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:14:01
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so throwing billions at looking for objects that will hit the earth is a complete waste of capitol in my book.
Given that this is a drop in the bucket compared to our annual defense spending (and I would consider this "defense"), no it is not a waste of money. Even if there was nothing we could do to avert the impact, we could at least ensure that proper measures are taken to protect genetic samples, databases, select individuals, etc (read: a real "Noah's Ark", or "Fallout Vault" if you will). At the very least this was help to ensure that our species (as well as a lot of life as we know it) has a fighting chance to reestablish itself in the aftermath. IMO this is the most important thing we could ever do for ourselves as a species (on this planet).
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:37:26
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Porpoise Hork
so throwing billions at looking for objects that will hit the earth is a complete waste of capitol in my book.
Given that this is a drop in the bucket compared to our annual defense spending (and I would consider this "defense"), no it is not a waste of money. Even if there was nothing we could do to avert the impact, we could at least ensure that proper measures are taken to protect genetic samples, databases, select individuals, etc (read: a real "Noah's Ark", or "Fallout Vault" if you will).
At the very least this was help to ensure that our species (as well as a lot of life as we know it) has a fighting chance to reestablish itself in the aftermath.
IMO this is the most important thing we could ever do for ourselves as a species (on this planet).
i can pretty much guarantee you that this plan is already in place should the need to protect human race from being obliterated should arise.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:37:34
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The US is supposidly building a new shuttle. One that will allow us to go further into space. I remember reading an article somewhere that NASA has constructed an engine that will allow us to go to Mars. What would originally take 6 Months with our current shuttle, will take us 39 days with this new engine. It may not be Star Trek technology, but we are getting there. Putting 6 months into 39 days, is amazing in my book.
Remember, space exploration was originally a race between USA & Russia. Russia got into space 1st with probes, USA got into space and on the Moon 1st and is the only one to have done so.
It will be interesting to see the space program start again at some point. It blows that missions like the Moon base got scrapped for 2015. That would have been pretty cool.
As of now its all about Russia, and small private companies investing into ideas for space. One company is creating a space hotel that can fit 6 people.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:40:10
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No, the true reason behind the decline of the space program is that it's tied to Congressional spending and budgets. That is why Orbital Sciences and SpaceX are a good thing and will be showing some major things in the next next year. SpaceX will be demoing their ability to support the international space station in November and Orbital Sciences will follow up with theirs early next year. The best thing that could happen to spaceflight is to get it out of politicians hands. Politicians are poison for progress. The socialist minority of the population are always up in arms about NASA eating into their entitlement money. This is one way to marginalize NASA spending yet see decent progress into new spaceflight development. Boeing also has a private spaceflight option on the table for roughly 2015 time frame. In the next 5 years should be some really interesting progress through new sources.
My statements are not differentiating between manned and unmanned but private industry is exploring both capabilities at the moment.
You got this part correct, allow the government to control anything and progress will slow to a halt. The private industry is far more efficient because of competitive forces.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:43:07
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i can pretty much guarantee you that this plan is already in place should the need to protect human race from being obliterated should arise.
Your faith in out government(s) is astounding.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:48:56
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You got this part correct, allow the government to control anything and progress will slow to a halt. The private industry is far more efficient because of competitive forces.
It's also why I feel like rolling over in my grave whenever I hear politicians expound upon job creation. Government can do nothing but regulate and legislate jobs away. There is no permanent job creation through government manipulation. It's squarely on the shoulders of private industry to create those jobs and on the shoulders of government not to regulate and tax those jobs away from the US. Most of the general population is too ignorant to work through that line of logic though. This is part of why NASA is so bogged down and took so long to progress past a 40 year old super complex space glider program and the infrastructure that came with it. The government is not an efficient and permanent employer for people in the work force.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:51:03
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Uhm, GM and Mercedes Benz lead the industry in numerous advances in automobiles and spends tons of money on R&D.
Where'd Mercedes Benz come from? And I would figure that they would be towards the top in automobiles, Germany has proved that with their machinery since WWII. GM needed a bailout, with that I suppose they lead the industry.
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:51:37
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I don't mean this to be a rant or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious why hasn't the Earth's collective space program done more than it has. I understand that money is a huge issue but when I think about all the different things that get packed into a space launch package; I find myself wondering why there aren't a hundred Mars Pathfinder's on Mars. Or why not send a hundred Voyager type probes out to inspect the solar system. Cassini probes, Hubble Space Telescopes or whatever you can think of. It just seems a little lame to me that Space hasn't been better explored either through remote means or through manned space travel.
The Voyager probes had less than a contemporary calculator's worth of data processing. Why not send hundreds into Space? To create a sense of scale, if the Earth was the size of an orange then the ISS would be about 1/8 of an inch above the surface. That ain't jack, bro. Do you know what I'm saying?
The space program is a joke Just a big waste of money I don't know about anyone else but I could get rat's butt about what's in space and how it was moved if we can't get to it
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:52:38
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:53:38
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The space program is a joke
Just a big waste of money
I don't know about anyone else but I could get rat's butt about what's in space and how it was moved if we can't get to it
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Re:What ever happened to the Space Program?
2011/08/30 17:54:59
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GM needed wanted and got a bailout.
There, I fixed it for you. What GM needed, is to die or get it's act together on it's own. The bailout was criminal.
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