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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/28 23:09:58
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The problem is, they have already said that the Hybrid will not be a 14+3 I believe in the stream they said it was a 10? Less power available and on water... I really don't get why they are not doing a block for this card. Makes absolutely 0 sense.
The hybrid isn't a hydrocopper, they are two completely different cards and pcbs
Also 10 phases doesn't change the power to the card at all. 5 phases, 10 phases, and 14 phases deliver the same exact amount of power. Phases only smooth out the power delivery, not deliver more.
On air/water, phases will make minimal differences. This has been shown hundreds of times as people complain that the extra phases don't help their card overclock because they can't get it cold enough. The extra memory phases will probably help get smoother memory operations though, having 2 compared to 1 on the reference cards.
Yeah it has the 8pin x2 on it is what I meant for the more power, but just saw the Hybrid does this time around I guess. I know they are two different cards, the hybrid is a closed loop water one though, so still watercooled. The phases should help either way, no? I have read articles that mention that, maybe I am being misled by articles and user reviews of some of the older cards? Anyways, point is they really should make a block for an enthusiast overclocking card.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/28 23:18:47
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Kingpincooling.com has lots of enthusiast cooling blocks. ;-)
All jokes aside, the vrm upgrade may help a little, especially having more than one vrm for the memory, but it doesn't change the fact that the core will be 100% the limiting factor whether it has 5 phases or 10/14. The core can not exceed it's own limits. If it is a bad overclocker, extra power pins, and extra vrm phases will do nothing. If it is a golden chip on a reference 5+1 board, it may be limited by the single 8 pin, but the vrm will not be to blame in that case. The lack of more power will be to blame.
Too many people assume that because there are more phases and the card is considered "enthusiast" that it is guaranteed to out perform a stock card. This is a falsity and a trap to some that are not aware. These cards have the potential, but not a guarantee, to outperform the reference series.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/28 23:22:25
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Kingpincooling.com has lots of enthusiast cooling blocks. ;-)
Haha, I'll just use LN2 on the 1080!
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/28 23:23:27
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DarthYodi
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Kingpincooling.com has lots of enthusiast cooling blocks. ;-)
Haha, I'll just use LN2 on the 1080!
I like the way you think.. I have a 50l dewar I have never been able to use... Want to borrow it? Lol.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 00:27:35
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EK_Derick
Just an FYI, Hydro Copper blocks aren't made by us this round. Not sure who EVGA has gone with, they haven't told us a thing.
There won't be any EK blocks for non-ref EVGA cards this round as of this post.
What a shame. So the 1080 Classified will not have a waterblock? That has scotched my plans.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 00:28:51
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 01:59:52
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Antykain
Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 02:04:55
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 02:52:29
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Hydro Copper look as dream, even nicer than Hybrid.
This big part with EVGA GeForce HydroCopper logo give so nice look to card... amazing.
I tried Classified, K|NGP|N Classified, and both look amazing in my case, I tried and one EVGA reference my next wish is HydroCopper one day.
This would be right time for Hydro Copper. Hydro Copper with 8+8 pin are big plus from my perspective.
This morning is so nice for me when I saw such good new EVGA series.
All of them are nice, even little ACX 3.0 will keep in shadow graphics with similar design from other brands.
If the Hydrocopper carries an FTW or Classified PCB, it is going to be an amazing buy! That would definitely be worth the price.
I know, Hydro Copper was definitely nicest card ever build. When I imagine graphic card that's EVGA Hydro Copper, but I didn't compare them with other cards. Except that new EVGA GTX1080 Hybrid is with GTX580 Classified for me one of nicest card ever made, it's nicer than previous Hybrid. I would like so much to build watercooling, that would be EKWB Predator + EVGA GTX1080 Hydro Copper. But problem is because for same price I could buy EVGA GTX1080Ti Hybrid. There are many nice choices really. I only know I don't want reference version card with 8 pin after I read more about temps, power, etc... GTX1080 cry for 8+8 pin, nothing less. You connect nicely two separate 8pin VGA, no free 2pin connectors and that's it. Clean and nice cable management and enough power.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 04:44:44
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DarthYodi
So, they said no plans in the stream but then there's this: https://forums.overclocke...556138&postcount=7
This post, this is the one I'm liking and choose to believe! Alright so no EK blocks (which is a shame, I've always like theirs) but some sort of EVGA blocks for Classy? I'm game!
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 04:51:24
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Yes, waterblock is waterblock, only should be made... I think performance difference between different brands are very small.
Only is problem because no one made blocks for custom cards except EKWB, and because of that people use on them.
Other company only should be forced to made and 10 companies could finish job easy only if EVGA design them that would be best.
This water block from picture Hydro Copper is best for now, every year they build nicer and nicer stuff.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 05:10:06
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
1. All Hydro Copper blocks we made had the Terminal pushed further back on the card so it would in theory be compatible with the new HB bridge if we released it. 2. We didn't make HC blocks for the 700 series. First one was Titan-Z. 3. All delays in production were on EVGA. We had Hydro Copper drawings and designs and were ready to start production weeks in advance of each respective GPU launch but received no confirmation from EVGA until way late to start. 4. We were ready at all times to make more blocks. We can fulfill an order of 500 in less than a week if necessary. They simply didn't order proper quantities to maintain stock levels.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 06:34:05
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
1. All Hydro Copper blocks we made had the Terminal pushed further back on the card so it would in theory be compatible with the new HB bridge if we released it.
2. We didn't make HC blocks for the 700 series. First one was Titan-Z.
3. All delays in production were on EVGA. We had Hydro Copper drawings and designs and were ready to start production weeks in advance of each respective GPU launch but received no confirmation from EVGA until way late to start.
4. We were ready at all times to make more blocks. We can fulfill an order of 500 in less than a week if necessary. They simply didn't order proper quantities to maintain stock levels.
Wow. Shots fired.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 07:29:17
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Wow. Shots fired.
Just to reiterate a little more. Evga sent over a 980 Kingpin PCB for EK to make a block. When it came out, we bought blocks and there was pins that kept the block from fitting. The original PCB didn't have the pins, and it caused a huge backlash against EK. The PCB shown in the original pictures even showed that there were no pins in the firmware port when it was made. EK allowed us to take a dremel to the plexi/acetal so that it would fit properly and evga later gave users permission to trim the firmware port pins down as well. It's little things like that, that kill partnerships. Thankfully, ek continued to make blocks for evga and even made the 980 ti KPE Block. It sounds like that contract is fulfilled and wasn't renewed though.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 07:56:01
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
1. All Hydro Copper blocks we made had the Terminal pushed further back on the card so it would in theory be compatible with the new HB bridge if we released it.
2. We didn't make HC blocks for the 700 series. First one was Titan-Z.
3. All delays in production were on EVGA. We had Hydro Copper drawings and designs and were ready to start production weeks in advance of each respective GPU launch but received no confirmation from EVGA until way late to start.
4. We were ready at all times to make more blocks. We can fulfill an order of 500 in less than a week if necessary. They simply didn't order proper quantities to maintain stock levels.
I stand corrected. The perceptions that I think many had was evga had the cards ready and waterblocks weren't ready, as I knew a person that had a RMA and was awaiting waterblocks and so did a few others on the forum. I apologize. Concerning item 1, so was EK previous statement that the bridge not being compatible incorrect? Also what about OC.uk where it states that you would be making classy blocks.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 09:52:10
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
1. All Hydro Copper blocks we made had the Terminal pushed further back on the card so it would in theory be compatible with the new HB bridge if we released it.
2. We didn't make HC blocks for the 700 series. First one was Titan-Z.
3. All delays in production were on EVGA. We had Hydro Copper drawings and designs and were ready to start production weeks in advance of each respective GPU launch but received no confirmation from EVGA until way late to start.
4. We were ready at all times to make more blocks. We can fulfill an order of 500 in less than a week if necessary. They simply didn't order proper quantities to maintain stock levels.
I guess the writing has been on the wall for a while now. No matter whose fault it is, we (the enthusiasts) lose.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 10:45:12
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AMP_USI guess the writing has been on the wall for a while now. No matter whose fault it is, we (the enthusiasts) lose. Yeah, indeed. Was counting on a 1080 FTW + EKWB... not this time.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 11:11:02
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This whole things puts me in a pickle. I always buy eVGA cards, have so for many generations of my cards now. But I also only buy EK water cooling products (so far). Now it seems that's no longer a possible combination for anything but the basic stuff. I DO NOT want to end up in the situation I am with my current card where I was promised by the EK rep that yes, there was a block for the one I considered buying. Bought it only to find out that no, sorry, our block doesn't ACTUALLY fit and we won't make any (revisions). This time I WILL water cool whatever card I get so now I guess I have to chose what brand to stay loyal to, get an eVGA and get a block from whoever make it, or stay with EK and get whatever card they chose to support.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 11:14:34
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 11:17:17
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AnderssT
This whole things puts me in a pickle. I always buy eVGA cards, have so for many generations of my cards now. But I also only buy EK water cooling products (so far). Now it seems that's no longer a possible combination for anything but the basic stuff. I DO NOT want to end up in the situation I am with my current card where I was promised by the EK rep that yes, there was a block for the one I considered buying. Bought it only to find out that no, sorry, our block doesn't ACTUALLY fit and we won't make any (revisions). This time I WILL water cool whatever card I get so now I guess I have to chose what brand to stay loyal to, get an eVGA and get a block from whoever make it, or stay with EK and get whatever card they chose to support.
I'm in a similar position. I've invested in watercooling and don't intend to go back to air. Unless Bitspower does something with EVGA, I can't imagine going with EVGA for my next GPU (assuming no EK support). I guess I could have a custom waterblock made, but that is a lot of work and $. This is indeed a crappy situation. Hopefully things are sorted out between the two by the time the 1080 Ti rolls out.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 11:32:55
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 12:03:36
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Still hoping for EK to have a waterblock available for the 1080 Classy shortly after it launches... as I definitely plan on putting it under water asap. Had a hell of a time getting as block for my 780 Classy when it was released.. mainly due them being sold out almost as soon as they came in stock. I'm sure it'll be the same this time around. So, not holding my breath.
Why? so you cant use the new bridge? Find a company that supports the bridge and the block. Remember 700 series and 900 series both were handled by ek and both had delays for the hydrocopper. EK didnt even makes a 980ti classy specific waterblock last time. Hopefully this new company can handle the order better.
1. All Hydro Copper blocks we made had the Terminal pushed further back on the card so it would in theory be compatible with the new HB bridge if we released it.
2. We didn't make HC blocks for the 700 series. First one was Titan-Z.
3. All delays in production were on EVGA. We had Hydro Copper drawings and designs and were ready to start production weeks in advance of each respective GPU launch but received no confirmation from EVGA until way late to start.
4. We were ready at all times to make more blocks. We can fulfill an order of 500 in less than a week if necessary. They simply didn't order proper quantities to maintain stock levels.
I seriously hope you know what your doing making a company disagreement public like that. You are burning the bridges of a mutually beneficial partnership here. It is a shame you both cannot agree to continue working on the 10 series as I like both EVGA and EK.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 12:09:00
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There is 0 1080 evga blocks. The bridges are already burnt. It's not a small hiccup where they say they will release them slightly late or something.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 14:46:52
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EK has 1080 blocks on their site....
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 14:57:45
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WIdiot
EK has 1080 blocks on their site....
Those are Founders Edition blocks that work with all manufacturers' FE cards. Everyone here is talking about custom PCBs.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 15:00:04
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EVGA will offer a waterblock setup for their cards themself.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/29 15:04:16
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Dschijn
EVGA will offer a waterblock setup for their cards themself.
They have said both no and yes. In the live stream yesterday they said "no plans", but in the link from earlier in the thread there is a rep saying there will be one for the FTW and Classified cards. Just waiting on an official statement from them about this to clarify...hopefully at Computex? Also, the question is who is the manufacturer if not EK, Swiftech?
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/30 07:47:33
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I think EKWB will still make waterblock for EVGA best card, because they know what we want.
Most of people will want to buy EVGA just because it has great warranty and we can water cool it without voiding warranty.
So it would be only logical that EKWB will make block for those card and sell it on their own, without have any partnership with EVGA.
It would be very sad not to have EKWB waterblock for EVGA top tier card :\
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/30 07:58:57
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I think EKWB will still make waterblock for EVGA best card, because they know what we want.
Most of people will want to buy EVGA just because it has great warranty and we can water cool it without voiding warranty.
So it would be only logical that EKWB will make block for those card and sell it on their own, without have any partnership with EVGA.
It would be very sad not to have EKWB waterblock for EVGA top tier card :\
What don't you understand in: There won't be any EK blocks for non-ref EVGA cards this round as of this post. ( http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2485798) EKWB does not really need any partnership to design a block compatible with EVGA's cards I guess. They would need one to be the designers of the hydro copper card, but that's already decided it's not. It's been confirmed multiple times here and on reddit by EK representatives. There will be no other block than the reference one for any 1070/80 EVGA cards. Maybe they'll do something for the 1080ti, but in the meantime, if you want to watercool an EVGA, you either go reference, hydro copper, or you wait to see if swiftech and the likes do blocks.
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Re: Waterblock for 1080 Classified
2016/05/30 07:59:36
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Simon771I think EKWB will still make waterblock for EVGA best card, because they know what we want. EK made it pretty clear, that there will be no blocks! EVGA will release their own waterblocks.
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