glocked89

Dabadger84

glocked89

That card is a beast!
Hey quick question, i saw that you run 3440x1440p. Does port royal scale with that resolution? Or does it look stretched or do you have empty gaps on the width? (I believe port royal is 2560x1440p)

It runs in 2560x1440, my screen does not stretch images unless I set Nvidia control panel to do that. I haven't ran Port Royal at 3440 x 1440. That would actually be an interesting test to see how much performace I lose.

Thanks for answering that. Yeah i can't for the life of me figure out why i can't pull more than 420watts in port royal. I pull 450 easy in timespy extreme. I get its because its 1440p vs 4k, but i want to know how you're pulling 450+!

I'm on the further end of that, I cannot get Port Royal to pull past 450W hardly at all, highest I've seen is a brief 457W peak while running +195/+1100 - whereas in the Time Spy Extreme run I did at a conservative OC, I saw 480W draw, might've only been a peak, but it happened.
 
I am on the XOC "normal" BIOS, so it's "limited" to "500W" - I will continue to air-quote the "500W" until I actually SEE my card it 500 in actual draw. lol

Dabadger84

glocked89

Dabadger84

glocked89

That card is a beast!
Hey quick question, i saw that you run 3440x1440p. Does port royal scale with that resolution? Or does it look stretched or do you have empty gaps on the width? (I believe port royal is 2560x1440p)

It runs in 2560x1440, my screen does not stretch images unless I set Nvidia control panel to do that. I haven't ran Port Royal at 3440 x 1440. That would actually be an interesting test to see how much performace I lose.

Thanks for answering that. Yeah i can't for the life of me figure out why i can't pull more than 420watts in port royal. I pull 450 easy in timespy extreme. I get its because its 1440p vs 4k, but i want to know how you're pulling 450+!

I'm on the further end of that, I cannot get Port Royal to pull past 450W hardly at all, highest I've seen is a brief 457W peak while running +195/+1100 - whereas in the Time Spy Extreme run I did at a conservative OC, I saw 480W draw, might've only been a peak, but it happened.
 
I am on the XOC "normal" BIOS, so it's "limited" to "500W" - I will continue to air-quote the "500W" until I actually SEE my card it 500 in actual draw. lol

Oh my no wonder. Although you're not seeing the full 500w draw, I would have to say you are one of the lucky few that has a card that the bios is working to some degree in my opinion. For those of us that don't have the bios working at all, we are hard-locked to 450-460watts. That could explain why you pull 450 in PR and 480 in TSE, while I can only pull 420 PR and 450 TSE. Again, thanks for the info  

Curious how your temps look under a Timespy extreme stress test (multiple runs). Im seeing 65c on gpu (used kyronaut extreme). However gpu2 is 83c, memory is 78, 74, 71, and vrm is 72,75,72,80,61.

This is with 500w bios, 100 voltage, 125/500, and my card draws close to 500w consistently, so it seems reasonable to me.

My cpu previously maxed at 79c in a single run, so this seems like a big improvement, its the gpu2 that seems hot to me.

PadinnPlays
 
Yeah I may rearrange it once my new EK AIO shows up. It's their 360mm elite, with 6 Vardar fans, so I can set that as the intake, and move the hybrid up top to exhaust. I should have hybrid kit tonight (though it looks like UPS is failing me) and the 360mm on Tuesday. I have the Fractal Design S2 RGB, so right now its 3x140mm front intake, 1x 140mm exhaust, 2x120mm intake (bottom), and I've got an H150i pro with 6x ML120 exhausting.


I am definitely tempted to get the Kingpin though and sell my 3090, though since I am pulling 500w in some benchmarks I think that may not be worth it. 

I'm honestly debating the same thing, as crazy as it may sound - I've always wanted to own a Kingpin card & this may be my chance.  Sounds like you have a solid layout plan after you receive the AIO for your CPU & the Hybrid cooler for the 3090 though.
 

nnarkis
Hey DaBadger84 - I’ve been reading here and in the notification thread about how you’re killing it with your 3090 FTW3 Hybrid. I’ve been running my 3090 FTW3 air cooled for a couple of months now with a stable over clock of +120 GPU and +200 memory, GPU temps around 76C under full load, closed case, and fans fairly quiet. I can get GPU temps down to about 64C with case open and 100% fans.
 
I decided to go with the hybrid kit to try and get those temps better and still keep the fan noise acceptable. You have been saying that CPU rad should go in front as intake and GPU rad up top as exhaust. I’m not sure I can fit my 360 CPU rad in the front, and even if I could, my i9-10900k can pull 350w overclocked under full load and hit 93-95C. Wouldn’t that dump a lot of hot air into my case as intake to the GPU rad?
 
Would it really be that bad to put the GPU rad in the front as intake? It seems that would optimize the cool air to the GPU rad. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to get cool air to everything and had a crazy idea. What about keeping 360 CPU rad up top as exhaust, put the 240 GPU rad up front as exhaust, and balance the whole thing out with intake fans on the back and bottom filling the case with cool air? Seems like this would be optimal from a cooling standpoint, although a bit unconventional.

If you don’t think that is practical solution, I’m just going to go with the GPU rad up front as this is the only configuration that works in my case and I’ll just have to make the best of it.
 
BTW, great Port Royal scores with your hybrid. Best I can do is 13,782 with my air cooled card. I guess I just didn’t hit the silicon lottery. Hopefully I can do better once I install the hybrid kit - that looks like fun. I hope I don’t break my expensive gizmo installing it!

So with your CPU putting out that much power/temp you're still going to have hotter air coming out of the GPU radiator, because it's smaller, and dealing with more wattage/heat.  I would say the best answer to your query is to experiment.  
I would try the best idea you had first, which is to setup both the CPU & GPU as exhaust, with all the other fans in the case as intake.  It won't be great dust filtering wise (rear case fans are never filtered so I don't guess yours is), but temps wise, it should definitely be the best solution.
But, even with your CPU pulling that much wattage, the air coming out of that 360mm on the CPU is still going to be cooler than what's coming out of the GPU's radiator, I would wager.  Remember it's not about what temperature the part being cooled is at, it's about how much wattage you're dealing with. The GPU will still be hitting 450-500W if you're under heavy GPU load, and you have to figure, how often are you going to have full CPU & GPU load at the same time - more often than not, the GPU will be the one being stressed fully in games, compared to the CPU.
 
That's my two cents.
 

glocked89
 
Oh my no wonder. Although you're not seeing the full 500w draw, I would have to say you are one of the lucky few that has a card that the bios is working to some degree in my opinion. For those of us that don't have the bios working at all, we are hard-locked to 450-460watts. That could explain why you pull 450 in PR and 480 in TSE, while I can only pull 420 PR and 450 TSE. Again, thanks for the info  

FYI, that 480W draw in Time Spy Extreme was at STOCK on the GPU. lol  I'm still not seeing the full draw in anything though - hopefully that is something eVGA will fix with an update to the XOC BIOSes, I have it on good authority they are working on a BIOS update that will fix the issues most people are having (including me) of only seeing 450-480W of usage instead of actually being able to peg it at 500W.
 

PadinnPlays
Curious how your temps look under a Timespy extreme stress test (multiple runs). Im seeing 65c on gpu (used kyronaut extreme). However gpu2 is 83c, memory is 78, 74, 71, and vrm is 72,75,72,80,61.

This is with 500w bios, 100 voltage, 125/500, and my card draws close to 500w consistently, so it seems reasonable to me.

My cpu previously maxed at 79c in a single run, so this seems like a big improvement, its the gpu2 that seems hot to me.

I'll run it today once I get my fan arrangement sorted from my system rearrange, right now I'm trying to figure out how to mount my RAM/VRM fan on my CPU area so that it will actually stay in place & blow air over the things, cuz the bracket I'm using now doesn't seem to be doing very well, VRM temps are already up to 28/31C (which for me is warm) & RAM is at 26C idle instead of the usual 23-24C.

very very very cool! I was going to hop onto the 3090 hybrid queue but now might wait to see if we're gonna get a 3080ti hybrid...
 
thanks for posting this whole shebang though, informative af and really cool :)

Dabadger84
 
So with your CPU putting out that much power/temp you're still going to have hotter air coming out of the GPU radiator, because it's smaller, and dealing with more wattage/heat.  I would say the best answer to your query is to experiment.  
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That's my two cents.
 

Thanks for the two cents DaBadger84, I really appreciate your insights.
 
I really like what you said about the best answer would be to experiment. I completely agree with this idea and I think that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I’ll try two or three different configurations and see which one gives he best numbers given the same test conditions, probably some kind of full load benchmark or stress test.
 
If it turns out to be rear and bottom intake, I will probably have to figure out some kind of filter for the rear fan, pretty sure the bottom has a filter already.

I also appreciate what you’re doing with those twisty ties. It’s given me some more ideas about how to arrange the rads in my case. Who knew they didn’t have to be bolted tightly to the case?
 
Good luck with that KPE if you decide to go that way. I’ll be checking the posts from time to time and see how it all turns out. I definitely like seeing what is possible, even if I can’t do it myself!

I need to see one of these things opened up as well as the IXC readout under a full XOC 500W load. I don't think there are any heatsinks at all on the mosfets or really anything besides the memory. Even with tons of airflow those things will get very warm without heatsinks under that kind of load.

Aurummorituri
 
Does the kit come with VRM heatsinks? I did not see any in the photos and even the 3090 Hybrid already put together does not advertise any. I suppose all that airflow would work okay, but I'm not buying this kit to run it at stock. 500W with the XOC BIOS is a lot and just airflow seems like a bad idea.

I have seen pictures & looked in the card myself, there is 100% a finned heatsink on both VRMs of the card.
Keep in mind the VRMs run cooler from the getgo with the Hybrid kit, because the PCB itself isn't heat-soaking as much heat from the GPU Core, because it is running cooler, which, combined with the design of the Hybrid kit's vRAM plate & VRM heatsinks, results in temps that are around 11% (according to eVGA) cooler - I personally can tell you my VRM/vRAM temps on my 3080 FTW3 Ultra non-Hybrid were higher than the highest I've seen from my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid by at least 6-10C across the board - and my 3080 FTW3 Ultra had good airflow around it so it didn't exactly "run hot".
 

Carmen813
It has vrm heatsinks. See video here

http://www.twitch.tv/padi...41067957?sr=a&t=2s

 
Why would anyone do an unboxing video etc NOT on full screen with the camera... at least that does show there's definitely heatsinks, as I already stated.  You can clearly see them if you look in the card either through the fan-area, or the back-exhaust bracket of the card.
They are there, but they're black - so they're not easy to see.

Dabadger84
 
Why would anyone do an unboxing video etc NOT on full screen with the camera... 

Haha I know right? I've never seen anything filmed with so much waste.  Still a cool video and good to see the heatsinks attached to the cover instead of something that could become warm and fall off.  (I'm looking at you little heavy VRM copper heatsinks)

Looks awesome, love that case. Do you find it better to run the tubes from the top right down instead of the top left?  From the top left they wouldn't be in the middle of the case but they do kind of sit in front the the rear exhaust fan.

kazosan
Looks awesome, love that case. Do you find it better to run the tubes from the top right down instead of the top left?  From the top left they wouldn't be in the middle of the case but they do kind of sit in front the the rear exhaust fan.

They would actually get in the way of the fan, I tried that - now that I have the radiator mounted properly, I could probably run them that way, but it's all still "temporary" right now anyway, until such time as I get the open loop kit on my CPU.
 
Also, this happened, again only running at 2070MHz @ 1V (overclock, undervolt) and look at that power draw:
 

 
Yet I still can't get more than a smidge past 450W on Port Royal because #Drivered or #BIOSed
 
Edit: Should also be noted the latest driver seem to have resulted in a decrease in performance in benchmarks, I can't get the exact same settings to hit 14.7k in Port Royal again, and I just tried to run for a new record because my ambient was 66F when I woke up (about 19C), only gave me 14.6 :(

I got mine 3090 FTW3 Kit installed but my temps seem high. 65 average in Port on stock settings. This is with Noctua F12 Fans pushing cool air in from outside the case on the default curve.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662885
 
 An OC I know works of +195 +1000 and I was up to 69C average and had lower score than on Air
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662848
 
 
Also how is your pump noise? Mine is really loud :( 

https://www.youtube.com/w...mp;feature=em-comments

Rbk_3
I got mine 3090 FTW3 Kit installed but my temps seem high. 65 average in Port on stock settings. This is with Noctua F12 Fans pushing cool air in from outside the case on the default curve.
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662885
 
 An OC I know works of +195 +1000 and I was up to 69C average and had lower score than on Air
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/662848
 
 
Also how is your pump noise? Mine is really loud :( 

https://www.youtube.com/w...mp;feature=em-comments

I would rate that pump noise as normalish but louder than normal.
 
There's no way in heck your temps should be that high unless your ambient is very warm or your airflow is utter garbageo, which it sounds like your airflow is fine.
 
For reference, at stock-stock my GPU core temp peaks at 52-55C in Port Royal depending on ambient temp & radiator fan speed, so 65-69C imo is way too warm.  Are you sure it's installed properly? Just a slightly lose mount could cause higher than normal temps without having a runaway-scenario in terms of how high they go.  Happened to me with a CPU AIO once, recently, because one of the screws going through the motherboard refused to tighten all the way down & I didn't notice.

I just received my Hybrid Kit and the VRM cooling seems pretty minimal compared to the previous Gen (2080/2080Ti Hybrid). I remember seeing a pretty massive heatsink my friends 2080 Hybrid for the VRM's. But on the 3080 ftw3 Kit there are very minimal fin stacks. 

Anyone check on the VRM temps yet?
 
 
EDIT- nvm. just read the last few posts. 

rrvaliente43
Nice setup! Are you able to control the GPU fans with MSI afterburner? Did you connect the AIO fans to the GPU splitter or straight to motherboard?

The fans on the GPU Radiator are connected to an EK splitter with PWM control outputted to a motherboard header while power is being drawn directly from a PSU plug, I have that PWM/RPM control controlled by a Thermocouple sensor that plugs in to my motherboard, that is tapped to the exhaust-side fans area of the GPU radiator, so the GPU radiator fans ramp up as the air exhausting from it gets warmer, so when it's not under load, they run quiet (currently at ~1000RPM which is completely silent), when I'm gaming & it gets up to 34-38C, they spin up to fairly high (but inaudible with my headphones on) ~2400RPM on the eVGA fans, and probably around 1700RPM on the EK Vardars that are setup as the "pull" fans on the radiator.
 
I didn't plug the GPU radiator fans in to the card at all since that would be pulling power from the card & thereby lessen the amount of power limit the card has to put towards the actual card's stuff instead of it's cooling.
 
As for the Afterburner control, not sure, I let Precision X1 handle the fan curve (or I just set the on board fan to 80% & close Precision if I'm running OC tests).
 

bloodhawk1989
I just received my Hybrid Kit and the VRM cooling seems pretty minimal compared to the previous Gen (2080/2080Ti Hybrid). I remember seeing a pretty massive heatsink my friends 2080 Hybrid for the VRM's. But on the 3080 ftw3 Kit there are very minimal fin stacks. 

Anyone check on the VRM temps yet?
 
 
EDIT- nvm. just read the last few posts. 

I actually forgot to load Precision X1 the last time I booted up (I don't have it set to load automatically for several reasons) and I started running a Folding at Home unit, VRMs only got in the mid 60s with the GPU fan at a measly 900RPM - so the cooling is adequate enough.  With the GPU's onboard fan at a more reasonable ~1500RPM, they stay in the high 40s to low 50s-C for the most part, with the warmest one (which I'm assuming is between the GPU die & the exhaust area of the card) getting in to the low 60s.
Could be better, could be worse.
I know Sajin has reported that VRM temps on the Kingpin 3090 are even lower, but the heatsinks on those things are way nicer as well, more fins, better density, and they're bare copper.