EVGA

The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come!

Page: << < ..67 Showing page 7 of 7
Author
Dabadger84
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3426
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/05/11 23:49:52
  • Location: de_Overpass, USA
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 10
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/24 16:57:51 (permalink)
No matter what I do, I can't replicate that score again.
 
Tried reverting to earlier drivers, other tweaks, got a run to actually stay above 2100MHz the whole run, still didn't beat the score, so somethin' funky was goin' on with that run I guess.
Ah well, I tried.  Got a very funky setup goin' on with the radiators, not gonna post a pick til it's finalized lol

ModRigs: https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=42891  
Specs:
5950x @ 4.7GHz 1.3V - Asus Crosshair VIII Hero - eVGA 1200W P2 - 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal Silver @ 3800 CL14
Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC w/ Core: 2850MHz @ 1000mV, Mem: +1500MHz - Samsung Odyssey G9 49" Super-Ultrawide 240Hz Monitor
 
osb40000
New Member
  • Total Posts : 37
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2011/02/22 17:45:02
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/28 18:45:13 (permalink)
I have a 3090 FTW3. After HWINFO's newest release and us seeing where 3080/3090 GDDR6X temps are, I'm considering buying the hybrid kit. Any ideas on what your max memory temps are with the hybrid? I'd like this card to run a bit cooler than it currently is so it's lasts. 

Win 7 X64
i7-3770k @ 4.4ghz 
8gigs Gskil @2133 
SLI GTX 780's
 
Stankia
New Member
  • Total Posts : 4
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2011/11/30 21:42:48
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/28 20:30:52 (permalink)
So I got my 3080 today, I played around with the fans and there doesn't seem to be a way to make them stop at certain temperatures. According to EVGA's software the lowest they can go is 40%. Is this a software issue or a fan issue? I really don't need them spinning at 40% when idling at 25C...
ArcticParadise
New Member
  • Total Posts : 5
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/12/23 10:44:03
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/28 20:44:40 (permalink)
Mem temps on my 3090 FTW3 after installing the Hybrid kit have all gone up. In my case, GPU2, MEM1, MEM2, MEM3 and PWR4 all increased in temperature versus running on air. The worst offender was MEM1 with a +5C increase under full load.
 
Would be curious to hear what others have experienced as comparison.
Dabadger84
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3426
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/05/11 23:49:52
  • Location: de_Overpass, USA
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 10
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/29 02:36:52 (permalink)
Stankia
So I got my 3080 today, I played around with the fans and there doesn't seem to be a way to make them stop at certain temperatures. According to EVGA's software the lowest they can go is 40%. Is this a software issue or a fan issue? I really don't need them spinning at 40% when idling at 25C...



You can control them & make them turn off at idle, you just have to have the right BIOS for it.  If it's a 3080 FTW3 Ultra or Hybrid, make sure you're using the REGULAR/NORMAL XOC BIOS, not the OC switch one... the OC-switch BIOS has a fan control profile that limits the lowest the fans can go - the Normal-BIOS switch position does not, it's designed for quiet mode when idle.  That's how I did mine, and I did the same thing on my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid, so the on board fan only turned on when I was gaming, on desktop it was always off, keeps the dust build up down on the internals of the card.
I did the same thing on my 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid before the 3080, had it about 2 years, never took it out to clean it, and it was not anywhere near as bad as I was expecting thanks to the fan stop setting.  The radiator on the other hand needed a good blow out. lol
 
ArcticParadise
Mem temps on my 3090 FTW3 after installing the Hybrid kit have all gone up. In my case, GPU2, MEM1, MEM2, MEM3 and PWR4 all increased in temperature versus running on air. The worst offender was MEM1 with a +5C increase under full load.
 
Would be curious to hear what others have experienced as comparison.


 
Every person I've seen that has higher temps was the result of a bad mount or the pump being defective on the Hybrid cards/Hybrid kit installs.  It doesn't take much to negatively effect load temps, and it wouldn't necessarily show up in idle temps.  Try remounting it - or just take it apart to the point where you would separate the PCB from everything else, then redo all the screws in the order it says to, making sure they're at proper tension.  
How are you running the Hybrid radiator, does your case have good airflow, positive pressure (more intake than exhaust)?  All of that is important... also, if you have the Hybrid radiator as INTAKE, that's why all of your temps are higher except GPU core (if that's lower), your intaking hot air from the GPU radiator which is then being fed through the GPU's shroud.  The air coming out of that radiator can get in the 34-41C range in my testing - not a good temp to be intaking in to your case.
post edited by Dabadger84 - 2021/01/29 02:40:13

ModRigs: https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=42891  
Specs:
5950x @ 4.7GHz 1.3V - Asus Crosshair VIII Hero - eVGA 1200W P2 - 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal Silver @ 3800 CL14
Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC w/ Core: 2850MHz @ 1000mV, Mem: +1500MHz - Samsung Odyssey G9 49" Super-Ultrawide 240Hz Monitor
 
ArcticParadise
New Member
  • Total Posts : 5
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/12/23 10:44:03
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/29 06:40:29 (permalink)
Dabadger84
 
ArcticParadise
Mem temps on my 3090 FTW3 after installing the Hybrid kit have all gone up. In my case, GPU2, MEM1, MEM2, MEM3 and PWR4 all increased in temperature versus running on air. The worst offender was MEM1 with a +5C increase under full load.
 
Would be curious to hear what others have experienced as comparison.


 
Every person I've seen that has higher temps was the result of a bad mount or the pump being defective on the Hybrid cards/Hybrid kit installs.  It doesn't take much to negatively effect load temps, and it wouldn't necessarily show up in idle temps.  Try remounting it - or just take it apart to the point where you would separate the PCB from everything else, then redo all the screws in the order it says to, making sure they're at proper tension.  
How are you running the Hybrid radiator, does your case have good airflow, positive pressure (more intake than exhaust)?  All of that is important... also, if you have the Hybrid radiator as INTAKE, that's why all of your temps are higher except GPU core (if that's lower), your intaking hot air from the GPU radiator which is then being fed through the GPU's shroud.  The air coming out of that radiator can get in the 34-41C range in my testing - not a good temp to be intaking in to your case.




You're 100% correct. It's airflow. I've had excellent airflow prior to the installing the rad, I had to stick it on the intake, in front of a pair of 200mm fans on a Coolermaster H500 case. Temps on Mem1 were up to 9C higher but after I shifted the rad upwards about an 40mm to open up more airflow past the bottom and increased the card blower fan speed to 90% from 75%. Bang, temps dropped about 3-4C under full load on everything except GPU1, but still sitting about +5C on Mem1 versus air cooled. Next is to try external mounting my radiator completely. You're totally right about the intake air getting too warm for everything else.
I'll try to remember to report back with results for those who are interested.
 
Dabadger84
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3426
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/05/11 23:49:52
  • Location: de_Overpass, USA
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 10
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/01/29 23:22:41 (permalink)
ArcticParadise
You're 100% correct. It's airflow. I've had excellent airflow prior to the installing the rad, I had to stick it on the intake, in front of a pair of 200mm fans on a Coolermaster H500 case. Temps on Mem1 were up to 9C higher but after I shifted the rad upwards about an 40mm to open up more airflow past the bottom and increased the card blower fan speed to 90% from 75%. Bang, temps dropped about 3-4C under full load on everything except GPU1, but still sitting about +5C on Mem1 versus air cooled. Next is to try external mounting my radiator completely. You're totally right about the intake air getting too warm for everything else.
I'll try to remember to report back with results for those who are interested.

 
Yeah we have a few folks that are going around telling people to mount their GPU radiator as intake when that's actually a horrible idea for the rest of your system, I try to keep an eye on threads, at least on this forums, to post factual evidence that having GPU radiator as intake instead of exhaust is actually a really bad idea for the rest of your internal components, but I missed some every now & then.  It's like "Yes, let's mount the GPU radiator as intake to get slightly cooler temps on our GPU die at the cost of making EVERYTHING ELSE in the system deal with air that's between 10-27C hotter that it would have to deal with with regular air being intake." Just makes me laugh.  People don't realize, the air a CPU radiator will be exhausting, unless you have a super-high core count HEDT or Threadripper CPU, is never going to be anywhere near as hot as what's coming from the GPU radiator.  My CPU in particular gets up in to the 170-190W draw range under full load.  Gaming, it's typically between 80-120W, that's nowhere even in the ballpark of what the GPU is going to be pumping in to that radiator - add to that the fact that most people's CPU radiators are as big or bigger than the regular Hybrid radiator (240mm), while it is dealing with 350-500W of heat vs the CPU's smaller amount... it just makes zero sense. 
Yeah, having the CPU radiator as intake will result in 1-3C higher temps inside the case and that air will be used as intake for the GPU radiator, but would you rather have a GPU core that's 1-3C warmer, or having your CPU VRMs, RAM, M.2s, hard drives, GPU VRMs, and all other internal components dealing with air that could be between 32-41C coming out of that GPU radiator under gaming loads.
To me it's a no brainer.  But for people who it's their first time building or they've never built with AIOs before, it's a real issue and concern, and it really irritates me that there's people spreading bad information and acting like it's actually the right thing to do.

ModRigs: https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=42891  
Specs:
5950x @ 4.7GHz 1.3V - Asus Crosshair VIII Hero - eVGA 1200W P2 - 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Royal Silver @ 3800 CL14
Gigabyte RTX 4090 Gaming OC w/ Core: 2850MHz @ 1000mV, Mem: +1500MHz - Samsung Odyssey G9 49" Super-Ultrawide 240Hz Monitor
 
undecided65
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 150
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/12/08 14:39:15
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/03 11:03:19 (permalink)
Stupid question guys, what kind of maintenance is needed for these hybrid gpus? Thx
rjbarker
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3214
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2008/03/20 10:07:05
  • Location: Vancouver Isle - Westcoast Canada
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 21
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/03 15:53:31 (permalink)
Dabadger84
ArcticParadise
You're 100% correct. It's airflow. I've had excellent airflow prior to the installing the rad, I had to stick it on the intake, in front of a pair of 200mm fans on a Coolermaster H500 case. Temps on Mem1 were up to 9C higher but after I shifted the rad upwards about an 40mm to open up more airflow past the bottom and increased the card blower fan speed to 90% from 75%. Bang, temps dropped about 3-4C under full load on everything except GPU1, but still sitting about +5C on Mem1 versus air cooled. Next is to try external mounting my radiator completely. You're totally right about the intake air getting too warm for everything else.
I'll try to remember to report back with results for those who are interested.

 
Yeah we have a few folks that are going around telling people to mount their GPU radiator as intake when that's actually a horrible idea for the rest of your system, I try to keep an eye on threads, at least on this forums, to post factual evidence that having GPU radiator as intake instead of exhaust is actually a really bad idea for the rest of your internal components, but I missed some every now & then.  It's like "Yes, let's mount the GPU radiator as intake to get slightly cooler temps on our GPU die at the cost of making EVERYTHING ELSE in the system deal with air that's between 10-27C hotter that it would have to deal with with regular air being intake." Just makes me laugh.  People don't realize, the air a CPU radiator will be exhausting, unless you have a super-high core count HEDT or Threadripper CPU, is never going to be anywhere near as hot as what's coming from the GPU radiator.  My CPU in particular gets up in to the 170-190W draw range under full load.  Gaming, it's typically between 80-120W, that's nowhere even in the ballpark of what the GPU is going to be pumping in to that radiator - add to that the fact that most people's CPU radiators are as big or bigger than the regular Hybrid radiator (240mm), while it is dealing with 350-500W of heat vs the CPU's smaller amount... it just makes zero sense. 
Yeah, having the CPU radiator as intake will result in 1-3C higher temps inside the case and that air will be used as intake for the GPU radiator, but would you rather have a GPU core that's 1-3C warmer, or having your CPU VRMs, RAM, M.2s, hard drives, GPU VRMs, and all other internal components dealing with air that could be between 32-41C coming out of that GPU radiator under gaming loads.
To me it's a no brainer.  But for people who it's their first time building or they've never built with AIOs before, it's a real issue and concern, and it really irritates me that there's people spreading bad information and acting like it's actually the right thing to do.




Been building custom loops for years....radiators should always be intakes period!! Not sure about some hybrid mish mash....but you ALWAYS want fresh room temp air pushing thru your fins...and for heavens sakes low density fins are the way to go !!!
My loop has 3 radiators....4*...3* and 2* all intakes ....the front of the case also has 3 dedicated intake fans (no radiator)....so thats a total of 12 fans all forcing nice cool air into the case creating "positive pressure" which is expelled out the top back thru a single 140mm exhaust fan.....with this type of set-up warm air in the case is a moot point.....
I would never recommend nor build a system using radiators as exhaust....defeats the purpose of a radiator running warm air thru em!!
Set up a proper dedicated exhaust fan or systems of a few exhaust fans, but always run the coolest air possible thru your rad!
my 9900k whether running 5 Ghz or benching at 5.1 - 5.3 Ghz stays cool....my 3080FTW3 running at 2100 Mhz sustained never goes above 42c ....my Board is cool as cucumber!
D5 Vario Pump set to run at 3200 RPM

I9 12900K EK Velocity2 / ROG Z690 Apex/ 32G Dominator DDR5 6000/ Evga RTX 3080Ti FTW3  EK Vector / 980 Pro 512G / 980 Pro 1TB/ Samsung 860 Pro 500G/ WD 4TB Red / AX 1600i /  Corsair 900D & XSPC 480 * 360 * 240 Rads   XSPC Photon 170 Rez-Vario Pump Combo - Alienware 3440*1440p 120Hz/ W11
 
undecided65
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 150
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/12/08 14:39:15
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/05 10:47:53 (permalink)
rjbarker
Dabadger84
ArcticParadise
You're 100% correct. It's airflow. I've had excellent airflow prior to the installing the rad, I had to stick it on the intake, in front of a pair of 200mm fans on a Coolermaster H500 case. Temps on Mem1 were up to 9C higher but after I shifted the rad upwards about an 40mm to open up more airflow past the bottom and increased the card blower fan speed to 90% from 75%. Bang, temps dropped about 3-4C under full load on everything except GPU1, but still sitting about +5C on Mem1 versus air cooled. Next is to try external mounting my radiator completely. You're totally right about the intake air getting too warm for everything else.
I'll try to remember to report back with results for those who are interested.

 
Yeah we have a few folks that are going around telling people to mount their GPU radiator as intake when that's actually a horrible idea for the rest of your system, I try to keep an eye on threads, at least on this forums, to post factual evidence that having GPU radiator as intake instead of exhaust is actually a really bad idea for the rest of your internal components, but I missed some every now & then.  It's like "Yes, let's mount the GPU radiator as intake to get slightly cooler temps on our GPU die at the cost of making EVERYTHING ELSE in the system deal with air that's between 10-27C hotter that it would have to deal with with regular air being intake." Just makes me laugh.  People don't realize, the air a CPU radiator will be exhausting, unless you have a super-high core count HEDT or Threadripper CPU, is never going to be anywhere near as hot as what's coming from the GPU radiator.  My CPU in particular gets up in to the 170-190W draw range under full load.  Gaming, it's typically between 80-120W, that's nowhere even in the ballpark of what the GPU is going to be pumping in to that radiator - add to that the fact that most people's CPU radiators are as big or bigger than the regular Hybrid radiator (240mm), while it is dealing with 350-500W of heat vs the CPU's smaller amount... it just makes zero sense. 
Yeah, having the CPU radiator as intake will result in 1-3C higher temps inside the case and that air will be used as intake for the GPU radiator, but would you rather have a GPU core that's 1-3C warmer, or having your CPU VRMs, RAM, M.2s, hard drives, GPU VRMs, and all other internal components dealing with air that could be between 32-41C coming out of that GPU radiator under gaming loads.
To me it's a no brainer.  But for people who it's their first time building or they've never built with AIOs before, it's a real issue and concern, and it really irritates me that there's people spreading bad information and acting like it's actually the right thing to do.




Been building custom loops for years....radiators should always be intakes period!! Not sure about some hybrid mish mash....but you ALWAYS want fresh room temp air pushing thru your fins...and for heavens sakes low density fins are the way to go !!!
My loop has 3 radiators....4*...3* and 2* all intakes ....the front of the case also has 3 dedicated intake fans (no radiator)....so thats a total of 12 fans all forcing nice cool air into the case creating "positive pressure" which is expelled out the top back thru a single 140mm exhaust fan.....with this type of set-up warm air in the case is a moot point.....
I would never recommend nor build a system using radiators as exhaust....defeats the purpose of a radiator running warm air thru em!!
Set up a proper dedicated exhaust fan or systems of a few exhaust fans, but always run the coolest air possible thru your rad!
my 9900k whether running 5 Ghz or benching at 5.1 - 5.3 Ghz stays cool....my 3080FTW3 running at 2100 Mhz sustained never goes above 42c ....my Board is cool as cucumber!
D5 Vario Pump set to run at 3200 RPM


What if the interior case air temp is not that high above ambient?
rjbarker
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3214
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2008/03/20 10:07:05
  • Location: Vancouver Isle - Westcoast Canada
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 21
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/05 13:19:12 (permalink)
Rads are heat exchangers.....moving the coolest air possible thru a heat exchanger is going to provide the best possible cooling to your liquid (working properly your liquid should be reflective of room ambient temp), therefor providing opimal cooling to your primary components (CPU n GPU with Water Block).
Any slight increase within the case is "exhausted" through your dedicated exhaust fan.
.
The temps on modern mobo in relation to Mosfets, Voltage Regulators and Northbridge are not extreme enough to cause issues (unlike the previous HEDT Boards whereby the Southbridge and Northbridge did get very hot and required some sort of active cooling or a mobo Block) besides they will also benefit by having the air movement over top of them as it moves thru the rad (the air moving from the rad isnt that warm at all).
 
But this seems to be an ongoing debate (not in the all WC'ing loop world though), seems it comes up more with the hybrid n aio coolers.
I do recommend setting it up your rad / fans as intake, just be sure you have at least 1 decent fan (140mm optimal and near the top) as an exhaust.
Also remember not a single case is "airtight"....there are generally a ton of cracks n crannies and vent grills to push out warm air when setting up a "positive pressure" case!
Just set it up however you like, in some situations the case size alone will restrict you to a certain orientation. I dont have this issue as my Corsair 900D Case is a monster ;)
post edited by rjbarker - 2021/04/05 13:27:34

I9 12900K EK Velocity2 / ROG Z690 Apex/ 32G Dominator DDR5 6000/ Evga RTX 3080Ti FTW3  EK Vector / 980 Pro 512G / 980 Pro 1TB/ Samsung 860 Pro 500G/ WD 4TB Red / AX 1600i /  Corsair 900D & XSPC 480 * 360 * 240 Rads   XSPC Photon 170 Rez-Vario Pump Combo - Alienware 3440*1440p 120Hz/ W11
 
undecided65
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 150
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/12/08 14:39:15
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/05 13:36:41 (permalink)
rjbarker
Rads are heat exchangers.....moving the coolest air possible thru a heat exchanger is going to provide the best possible cooling to your liquid (working properly your liquid should be reflective of room ambient temp), therefor providing opimal cooling to your primary components (CPU n GPU with Water Block).
Any slight increase within the case is "exhausted" through your dedicated exhaust fan.
.
The temps on modern mobo in relation to Mosfets, Voltage Regulators and Northbridge are not extreme enough to cause issues (unlike the previous HEDT Boards whereby the Southbridge and Northbridge did get very hot and required some sort of active cooling or a mobo Block) besides they will also benefit by having the air movement over top of them as it moves thru the rad (the air moving from the rad isnt that warm at all).
 
But this seems to be an ongoing debate (not in the all WC'ing loop world though), seems it comes up more with the hybrid n aio coolers.
I do recommend setting it up your rad / fans as intake, just be sure you have at least 1 decent fan (140mm optimal and near the top) as an exhaust.
Also remember not a single case is "airtight"....there are generally a ton of cracks n crannies and vent grills to push out warm air when setting up a "positive pressure" case!
Just set it up however you like, in some situations the case size alone will restrict you to a certain orientation. I dont have this issue as my Corsair 900D Case is a monster ;)


Thanks, I appreciate the reply, my case is HUGE and has tons of fans all around. Like you said, whether I use it as intake or exhaust will depend on placement and how far the hoses can reach. Do you know what the default orientation of the EVGA hybrid kits are? Exhaust or Intake?
rjbarker
CLASSIFIED Member
  • Total Posts : 3214
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2008/03/20 10:07:05
  • Location: Vancouver Isle - Westcoast Canada
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 21
Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2021/04/05 13:59:02 (permalink)
No idea as I dont buy hybrids or aio's.....but they are equipped with little rads (heat exchangers) the principle is the same.

I9 12900K EK Velocity2 / ROG Z690 Apex/ 32G Dominator DDR5 6000/ Evga RTX 3080Ti FTW3  EK Vector / 980 Pro 512G / 980 Pro 1TB/ Samsung 860 Pro 500G/ WD 4TB Red / AX 1600i /  Corsair 900D & XSPC 480 * 360 * 240 Rads   XSPC Photon 170 Rez-Vario Pump Combo - Alienware 3440*1440p 120Hz/ W11
 
Page: << < ..67 Showing page 7 of 7
Jump to:
  • Back to Mobile