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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/16 10:18:37 (permalink)
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3090 version. Yes, mounted on the top. The noise is def coming from the gpu/pump. I will do that now. Leave the radiator connected and shake the card a bit and re-insert. 



Secondary question: are you traditionally mounted, or vertically mounted (showing off the card)?  I've heard a lot of people have noticably worse pump noise when vertically mounting, but I'd assume from the sound of it that's not the case for you.


I have it mounted standard. I did face the pc on its side to see if it helps with the noise but not really. 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/16 14:57:36 (permalink)
how is the 3090 thus far? decent? 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/16 15:06:04 (permalink)
An awesome unboxing. 

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/16 15:17:07 (permalink)
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ok thanks mate for undervolting i have to edit the whole curve? i mean edit voltage for each frequencies range or i can just apply a global undervolt offset?



I do undervolting in Afterburner.  It's a lot simpler there.  What I do is apply a -290 clock (so that every part of the curve is underclocked), apply that.  Then hit Control+F, then you pick the box for the voltage you want to use (i.e. 950mV or whichever), drag it up to the speed you want, and click apply.  Save it to a profile once you're sure it's stable, and you can use it whenever you like.
 
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In order to undervolt, shouldn't you do the opposite and apply a + clock and then cap the top end?
 
You undervolt by using the lowest voltage possible at a certain clock (in other words, you use the highest clock for a certain voltage point). But you cap the top end. So instead of letting the card boost up to 1.05 volts, you cap it to 0.99 volts and use the highest clocks possible at that voltage point.
 
What you are doing is not optimal if you are using a negative core offset. You are reducing the clocks at each voltage point, which is fine, but that is not optimal undervolting. Because by underclocking, you might be running 0.99 volts for 1900 clock when you could be running 1900 clock at 0.98 volts. You get the latter by increasing the core offset.
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/16 16:19:04 (permalink)
Hey Badger, about what are the dimensions of the radiator? in x in?
 
Currently pondering how the hell I'm going to fit this in my Meshify C with a Noctua cpu cooler lmao
 
edit: never mind! just read you noted 55-56mm. Thanks!
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 00:26:19 (permalink)
Imma cookin' up some spicy meatballs!
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55003017 14404 Port Royal:
 

 
We're gettin' up there in terms of hitting the limits, I think this is roughly an equivalent to a +180 GPU clock setting, almost - it varies a lot during the test as you can see on the GPU-clock line chart in the result.
 
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Hey Badger, about what are the dimensions of the radiator? in x in?

Currently pondering how the hell I'm going to fit this in my Meshify C with a Noctua cpu cooler lmao
 
edit: never mind! just read you noted 55-56mm. Thanks!




Thickness is 55-56mm, length & width are the same as the CLC 240, so 276mm x 122mm
 
 

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 00:28:04 (permalink)
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In order to undervolt, shouldn't you do the opposite and apply a + clock and then cap the top end?
 
You undervolt by using the lowest voltage possible at a certain clock (in other words, you use the highest clock for a certain voltage point). But you cap the top end. So instead of letting the card boost up to 1.05 volts, you cap it to 0.99 volts and use the highest clocks possible at that voltage point.
 
What you are doing is not optimal if you are using a negative core offset. You are reducing the clocks at each voltage point, which is fine, but that is not optimal undervolting. Because by underclocking, you might be running 0.99 volts for 1900 clock when you could be running 1900 clock at 0.98 volts. You get the latter by increasing the core offset.



You start with a negative offset so that the higher end voltage numbers are not too high, that's the logic of setting it like that.

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 01:57:15 (permalink)
Did you gave 1.087 or 1.081mV for 2100 if yes thats too much just for 2100mhz.
 
Try 1.062 and 1.068v and max 1.075mV thats why u hit vperf and thats not proper OC. You should not hit PT 

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 02:25:37 (permalink)
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The pump noise thing is really scaring me away from this card. 



It shouldn't the vast majority don't have problems.
 
3DMark Time Spy Extreme @ completely stock on the GPU: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54968818 9108 - that takes down my previous best of 8932 (which was heavily OCed on the 3080) easily, but not by a lot.  Interesting.
 
Even more interesting:
 

 
489W maximum power draw  While I'm happy to see it at least near the advertised 500, I am disappointed it's that close, at STOCK, granted the voltage is way higher than it needs to be for that given frequency, but it seems the headroom even with the higher BIOS stuff, isn't really there.
 
I'll continue this testing after some sleep, been up for 29 hours & I'm officially exhausted.


I would expect a bit more here...OK it's stock, but 489W are a lot of power. I'm evaluating the purchase of an EVGA Hybrid card but I need to understand if it's worth it. Actually I have another branded 3090, a 2x8pin, limited to 390W, and I got 10.769 Graphics score in Time Spy Extreme (total score 10.823). Can you try pushing up your card a bit and see what you get?
 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 02:37:44 (permalink)
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I would expect a bit more here...OK it's stock, but 489W are a lot of power. I'm evaluating the purchase of an EVGA Hybrid card but I need to understand if it's worth it. Actually I have another branded 3090, a 2x8pin, limited to 390W, and I got 10.769 Graphics score in Time Spy Extreme (total score 10.823). Can you try pushing up your card a bit and see what you get?
 
Thanks :)



What is your setup? You have to keep in mind, Time Spy & Time Spy Extreme scores are effected by CPU differences.  I have a 9900K, if you have a higher core count CPU, that will net you a better score - that's part of why my score isn't that high relatively speaking.
 
I did some custom voltage curve stuff & got 9681 score with a 11206 graphics score.  The highest score on a 9900K with a 3090 on 3DMark's website is 10318, and that's with a 9900K running 5.4GHz.  I'm already Top 40 with a 9900K/single 3090 setup on their HoF.
 
Time Spy Extreme scores don't translate well between systems if you're just comparing GPUs, have to look at the whole picture, it's not like Port Royal where it's 90+% all about the GPU (with CPU & RAM settings having smol effects only).
 
Also, on the 2nd Graphics Test, on the 9681 score, GPU clocks went all over the place, so even that graphics test isn't as high as I can get, if I figure that bit out.
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 02:43:56 (permalink)
Oh I should mention: I actually swapped the eVGA fans that came with the radiator back in, those things get LOUD at maximum speed, but boy do they push some serious air.  Have them setup on a curve that's based on the exhaust temperature from the GPU's Radiator via thermocouple now.
 
For those asking about temps & the pros/cons of GPU radiator exhausting out of the case vs intaking in to it: Radiator exhaust peaked at 38C - I don't think anyone wants their intake air for their case to be that warm.  That was with a GPU undervolt/OC of 2040MHz @ 994mV, maximum GPU temperature seen was 53C.

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 03:23:22 (permalink)
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 05:20:56 (permalink)
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I would expect a bit more here...OK it's stock, but 489W are a lot of power. I'm evaluating the purchase of an EVGA Hybrid card but I need to understand if it's worth it. Actually I have another branded 3090, a 2x8pin, limited to 390W, and I got 10.769 Graphics score in Time Spy Extreme (total score 10.823). Can you try pushing up your card a bit and see what you get?
 
Thanks :)



What is your setup? You have to keep in mind, Time Spy & Time Spy Extreme scores are effected by CPU differences.  I have a 9900K, if you have a higher core count CPU, that will net you a better score - that's part of why my score isn't that high relatively speaking.
 
I did some custom voltage curve stuff & got 9681 score with a 11206 graphics score.  The highest score on a 9900K with a 3090 on 3DMark's website is 10318, and that's with a 9900K running 5.4GHz.  I'm already Top 40 with a 9900K/single 3090 setup on their HoF.
 
Time Spy Extreme scores don't translate well between systems if you're just comparing GPUs, have to look at the whole picture, it's not like Port Royal where it's 90+% all about the GPU (with CPU & RAM settings having smol effects only).
 
Also, on the 2nd Graphics Test, on the 9681 score, GPU clocks went all over the place, so even that graphics test isn't as high as I can get, if I figure that bit out.


Yes, you are totally right! I believed that obviously a better CPU makes a better score (expecially physics one), but I realized that it affects graphic score a lot! Actually I own an AMD Ryzen 9 5950x, so I have twice the cores you have. In fact what I forgot to mention is that on Port Royal my scores are lower than yours (as expected) as I score "only" 13.586 at most. Of course the other difference is the temperature: 62° (me) 48° (you). I owned an EVGA 1080ti Hybrid, it was great!

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 06:32:49 (permalink)
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Oh I should mention: I actually swapped the eVGA fans that came with the radiator back in, those things get LOUD at maximum speed, but boy do they push some serious air.  Have them setup on a curve that's based on the exhaust temperature from the GPU's Radiator via thermocouple now.
 
For those asking about temps & the pros/cons of GPU radiator exhausting out of the case vs intaking in to it: Radiator exhaust peaked at 38C - I don't think anyone wants their intake air for their case to be that warm.  That was with a GPU undervolt/OC of 2040MHz @ 994mV, maximum GPU temperature seen was 53C.


Oh wow that is a bit warm. I was going to do as intake because I have my cpu 360mm on top as exhaust. Guess I have to decide which will be intake vs out. I would prefer cooler gpu so I think intake still, and maybe I'll swap when my ek aio 360 shows up.
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 06:39:09 (permalink)
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 06:55:52 (permalink)
Managed to get my Hybrid installed, did some quick benchmarks with everything on stock settings and fans in quiet/balanced mode.
 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 07:55:06 (permalink)
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Oh I should mention: I actually swapped the eVGA fans that came with the radiator back in, those things get LOUD at maximum speed, but boy do they push some serious air.  Have them setup on a curve that's based on the exhaust temperature from the GPU's Radiator via thermocouple now.
 
For those asking about temps & the pros/cons of GPU radiator exhausting out of the case vs intaking in to it: Radiator exhaust peaked at 38C - I don't think anyone wants their intake air for their case to be that warm.  That was with a GPU undervolt/OC of 2040MHz @ 994mV, maximum GPU temperature seen was 53C.


Oh wow that is a bit warm. I was going to do as intake because I have my cpu 360mm on top as exhaust. Guess I have to decide which will be intake vs out. I would prefer cooler gpu so I think intake still, and maybe I'll swap when my ek aio 360 shows up.



The thing is, your GPU is not going to run THAT much warmer from being setup as Exhaust on top & intaking system air.  Ambient system air is rarely "hot" unless you don't have any active cooling over your motherboard VRMs or something crazy like not enough airflow.  If you setup a 360mm AIO for the CPU as intake & the GPU as exhaust up top, your temps should be completely fine.  2-4C really isn't going to effect GPU clocks by more than, at the very most, one step in the GPU clock table.  IMO that is not at all worth having your GPU radiator's heat all exhausting in to your system & heating everything else up.

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:29:49 (permalink)
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:34:11 (permalink)
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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55030204
 

 
 
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Was this was undervolting? Is there performance to be gained by undervolting or just heatloss? I am thinking about trying this but really have not tried before.

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:36:21 (permalink)
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how is the 3090 thus far? decent? 



I am enjoying it so far, she's clockin' likea champ!
 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:38:08 (permalink)
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Was this was undervolting? Is there performance to be gained by undervolting or just heatloss? I am thinking about trying this but really have not tried before.



That result specifically is me pushing the card full boar, so not undervolted.  I'm trying to see just how high it'll go before I start getting artifacts or before the score starts going back down because the clocks aren't actually stable.
 
I've managed to hit 14.2-14.3k while undervolted/overclocked to 2040MHz @ 994mV, with the vRAM OCed to +500, and I only hit around 438W draw with those settings. 

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:40:40 (permalink)
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Was this was undervolting? Is there performance to be gained by undervolting or just heatloss? I am thinking about trying this but really have not tried before.



That result specifically is me pushing the card full boar, so not undervolted.  I'm trying to see just how high it'll go before I start getting artifacts or before the score starts going back down because the clocks aren't actually stable.
 
I've managed to hit 14.2-14.3k while undervolted/overclocked to 2040MHz @ 994mV, with the vRAM OCed to +500, and I only hit around 438W draw with those settings. 


Thank you! Your high score is precisely my highest score as well lol. This was before i redid my rad to push/pull though. 
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 10:59:32 (permalink)
#Bruh
 
How is it not crashing or giving me artifacts/errors that would result in a lower score, this is crazy!  Did I actually win the silicone lottery for once?
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/651735  
 

 
 
Edit: RIP finally got a 3DMark crash, the next step up on the GPU Core is where the fun ended :(
 
Still, even if that's SEMI stable, for benchmarking, +210 is pretty sick.  I'm done fiddling with clocks for now, that was an adrenaline rush!
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 11:14:39 (permalink)
All background apps closed, same settings as previous result posted, +210/+1100 - I did noticed with Afterburner open that the clocks are pretty all over the place, ranging from 2040 up to 2115 or thereabouts, with those settings...
 

 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55032536 14728 YEEEEEEEEEET That's good for 30th on the 9900K/single 3090 leaderboard!
 
K NOW the party is over time to chill lol
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 13:06:44 (permalink)
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All background apps closed, same settings as previous result posted, +210/+1100 - I did noticed with Afterburner open that the clocks are pretty all over the place, ranging from 2040 up to 2115 or thereabouts, with those settings...
 

 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55032536 14728 YEEEEEEEEEET That's good for 30th on the 9900K/single 3090 leaderboard!
 
K NOW the party is over time to chill lol

That card is a beast!
Hey quick question, i saw that you run 3440x1440p. Does port royal scale with that resolution? Or does it look stretched or do you have empty gaps on the width? (I believe port royal is 2560x1440p)
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 13:27:43 (permalink)
Guess what I just found in a box lying around



Anyone have any idea if these things actually work with newer cards? This is from the P67 P55*** Classified era of evbot/pre-Kingpin cards being called Kingpin.
 
Edited to correct my generation mistake on what motherboard I had this for.
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 13:29:27 (permalink)
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That card is a beast!
Hey quick question, i saw that you run 3440x1440p. Does port royal scale with that resolution? Or does it look stretched or do you have empty gaps on the width? (I believe port royal is 2560x1440p)


It runs in 2560x1440, my screen does not stretch images unless I set Nvidia control panel to do that. I haven't ran Port Royal at 3440 x 1440. That would actually be an interesting test to see how much performace I lose.

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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 13:35:45 (permalink)
So you actually have GPU AIO as exhaust and CPU AIO as intake?
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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 13:45:38 (permalink)
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So you actually have GPU AIO as exhaust and CPU AIO as intake?



Me personally? No, they both fit at the top of my case because my case is the size of a person:
 


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Re: The Arrival - RTX 3090 FTW3 Hybrid Unboxing, installation & review to come! 2020/12/17 14:21:10 (permalink)
Couple of review notes I will be adding to the first post:
 
The included eVGA fans move a lot of air, RGB on them is actually nice, not too bright, good accenting, the RGB cables are compatible with other 5V aRGB header cords (connected to my Vardars no problem) - but they are L O U D at anything over about 60%.  They are LOUDER than my Vardars at 100% vs 100%.
The card performs exceptionally well at Folding at Home so far, one type of WU only saw 51C, the other only got up to 44-45C, looking like it will average between 6.5M-7M PPD if I actually folded on it full time. 
The air coming out of the GPU's exhaust area (at the back of the case, from the actual card itself) actually does it get fairly warm too, saw it get up to 32C on the thermocouple I have there during some gaming sessions - proof there are heatsinks in the card that are helping cool the VRMs & Memory - apparently the heatsinks inside the Kingpin card are, unsurprisingly, better & have slightly better temperatures.

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