TacticalBeard
Seems like a vary knowledgeable thread. I have a 3090 hybrid XC3 at home in a box that just arrived but I literally just got the email to buy the FTW3 3090 hybrid. Anyone here able to break down how much better the FTW3 is vs the XC3 ?

Not sure if I should just save the 200$ difference and use the XC3 hybrid or return it and buy the FTW hybrid

Xc3 18 power stages 366w powerlimit
Ftw3 23 power stages 450w powerlimit

If you're going to oc go ftw3, if you're going to plug and play stick with xc3.

Dabadger84
I'm going to test out the undervolt I had on earlier at some point, it was something like 2040MHz @ 981mV, tested through Port Royal just fine, and gave me a higher score than a +105 offset, while running 3-5C cooler throughout the test.
 
I'm definitely happy with the performance of the cooler so far, that's for sure.  I want to set it up in push/pull, but with my current mounting situation, that will be "fun", and not the good kind. lol

I think these clocks are dependent on workload. I can run higher clocks on PR as well, but significantly lower in a game like RDR2.
 
Yeah push/pull can get tricky. I had to sit my pull fans on the top of my case :p

glocked89

TacticalBeard
Seems like a vary knowledgeable thread. I have a 3090 hybrid XC3 at home in a box that just arrived but I literally just got the email to buy the FTW3 3090 hybrid. Anyone here able to break down how much better the FTW3 is vs the XC3 ?

Not sure if I should just save the 200$ difference and use the XC3 hybrid or return it and buy the FTW hybrid

Xc3 18 power stages 366w powerlimit
Ftw3 23 power stages 450w powerlimit

If you're going to oc go ftw3, if you're going to plug and play stick with xc3.

Thanks for the info. I like to chase game frames Not much into benchmark high scores

pellaaa
ok thanks mate for undervolting i have to edit the whole curve? i mean edit voltage for each frequencies range or i can just apply a global undervolt offset?

I do undervolting in Afterburner.  It's a lot simpler there.  What I do is apply a -290 clock (so that every part of the curve is underclocked), apply that.  Then hit Control+F, then you pick the box for the voltage you want to use (i.e. 950mV or whichever), drag it up to the speed you want, and click apply.  Save it to a profile once you're sure it's stable, and you can use it whenever you like.
 

oletorius
@Dabadger84 you have a really nice rig!

She's a purdy monstrosity that's for sure.

Today I think I'm gonna remount the radiator with push-pull, because it sure as heck, as expected, does put out serious heat under load even with a 240mm radiator.  I think Push/Pull will further help temps.

Didn't happen to get a length on those hoses did you? It's going to be quite a reach in my case. 

Dabadger84
 
 
 at idle it only runs ~1390RPM, at which it makes no noticeable "noise"... at full speed, there's definitely a bit of pump whine - But I'm fairly certain the Gen2 Thermaltake Floe like what I have is a Gen5 Acetek pump, so that's sort of to be expected.
 

 
Yeah Gen5 is what I have in my AIO, have it set to max speed in Bios, cant hear it at all even with my ear as close as I can listen to it.   Gen6 seems to be the villain for a few, that's the one I'm worried about but based on yours it seems to be okay?

Heres how I did push/pull on my case. I also have a pcie slot fan array of three 90mm fans blowing onto the backplate since it gets so hot with the memory and all.
 
Looks like I got lucky with the Lian Li riser cable, I ran the pcie express test on 3dmark and my gpu has almost the exact same bandwidth it would if it was plugged directly into the mobo. 
 
https://imgur.com/2sbXhNe
https://imgur.com/toLykqq
 

shoumpavlis
Got the hybrid ftw3 ultra today. Performance is great but the noise coming from the AIO is very noticeable during idle/surfing the net. I will be calling support in the morning.

3080 or 3090?  Sorry to hear you're having pump noise issues, hopefully support will get you taken care of, especially if it's actually abnormal sounds that indicate a serious problem - out of curiosity, you do have the GPU radiator mounted above the GPU as the guide included with the card indicated right?  Having the radiator below the GPU will result in a lot of pump noise as that makes any air in the system get "stuck" near the pump a lot of the time.
 
Also, as a suggestion, try removing the card (but leaving the radiator mounted, assuming it's at the top of your case) and give it a light shake back & forth a few times to dislodge any bubbles that might be stuck in the pump area - that could be a simple fix that may solve your noise issue.

Thought I'd copy pasta this to this thread so people can have a giggle at something that happened to a reviewer happening to a normal consumer as well:
 
SOoooooooooooooooooo
 
Apparently either a firmware or some other form of update is definitely needed here, outside of the fact that it won't hit the "500W" power limit:
I noticed during testing, both with OC Scan, and with Port Royal, that occasionally in GPUz, something would pop up, for just one sliver of the graph, that I've never seen before on PerfCap: Red.  Red means Thermal (for those like me that have never seen it).  I immediately went "That is literally impossible, Hybrid card, highest temps iCX is seeing are in the low 60s on some Mem & VRM areas".  I figured it had to be an erroneous reading of some sort, and sure enough, after gaming for a bit just now, HWInfo just so happened to pick "it" up - I'm not sure if this is something that can be "fixed" or not, but if so, it definitely should be lol:
 

 
To borrow a GN line: "To my knowledge, the inside of my GPU did not exceed the temperature of the Sun during testing." 
 
Edit: this has happened twice now that HWInfo has picked up - if it continues I may contact support just to see if they think I should RMA it or if it's anything to actually worry about.   This time it was a reading of over 100C on a memory iCX sensor for a split second - obviously it didn't actually hit that or the card would've throttled itself to prevent damage.

Dabadger84

shoumpavlis
Got the hybrid ftw3 ultra today. Performance is great but the noise coming from the AIO is very noticeable during idle/surfing the net. I will be calling support in the morning.

3080 or 3090?  Sorry to hear you're having pump noise issues, hopefully support will get you taken care of, especially if it's actually abnormal sounds that indicate a serious problem - out of curiosity, you do have the GPU radiator mounted above the GPU as the guide included with the card indicated right?  Having the radiator below the GPU will result in a lot of pump noise as that makes any air in the system get "stuck" near the pump a lot of the time.
 
Also, as a suggestion, try removing the card (but leaving the radiator mounted, assuming it's at the top of your case) and give it a light shake back & forth a few times to dislodge any bubbles that might be stuck in the pump area - that could be a simple fix that may solve your noise issue.

3090 version. Yes, mounted on the top. The noise is def coming from the gpu/pump. I will do that now. Leave the radiator connected and shake the card a bit and re-insert. 

Do you mean the hybrid bios won't reach 500W...?
 
Do You have metro exodus?, you can try this

Dabadger84
Thought I'd copy pasta this to this thread so people can have a giggle at something that happened to a reviewer happening to a normal consumer as well:
 
SOoooooooooooooooooo
 
Apparently either a firmware or some other form of update is definitely needed here, outside of the fact that it won't hit the "500W" power limit:
I noticed during testing, both with OC Scan, and with Port Royal, that occasionally in GPUz, something would pop up, for just one sliver of the graph, that I've never seen before on PerfCap: Red.  Red means Thermal (for those like me that have never seen it).  I immediately went "That is literally impossible, Hybrid card, highest temps iCX is seeing are in the low 60s on some Mem & VRM areas".  I figured it had to be an erroneous reading of some sort, and sure enough, after gaming for a bit just now, HWInfo just so happened to pick "it" up - I'm not sure if this is something that can be "fixed" or not, but if so, it definitely should be lol:
 

 
To borrow a GN line: "To my knowledge, the inside of my GPU did not exceed the temperature of the Sun during testing." 
 
Edit: this has happened twice now that HWInfo has picked up - if it continues I may contact support just to see if they think I should RMA it or if it's anything to actually worry about.   This time it was a reading of over 100C on a memory iCX sensor for a split second - obviously it didn't actually hit that or the card would've throttled itself to prevent damage.

Gereon83
Nice rig and thaks for the pictures 
 
Got mine today, i just have to finish the working day first before i can start swapping out my 1080Ti.
 

 
Nice.  I think you'll be very happy with it, I am with mine so far.
 
Took this shot just a bit ago because someone asked for the airflow profile/whether or not my GPU radiator is setup as top exhaust:
 

Phatrabbit12
The pump noise thing is really scaring me away from this card. 

It shouldn't the vast majority don't have problems.
 
3DMark Time Spy Extreme @ completely stock on the GPU: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54968818 9108 - that takes down my previous best of 8932 (which was heavily OCed on the 3080) easily, but not by a lot.  Interesting.
 
Even more interesting:
 

 
489W maximum power draw  While I'm happy to see it at least near the advertised 500, I am disappointed it's that close, at STOCK, granted the voltage is way higher than it needs to be for that given frequency, but it seems the headroom even with the higher BIOS stuff, isn't really there.
 
I'll continue this testing after some sleep, been up for 29 hours & I'm officially exhausted.

Dabadger84

Phatrabbit12
The pump noise thing is really scaring me away from this card. 

It shouldn't the vast majority don't have problems.
 
3DMark Time Spy Extreme @ completely stock on the GPU: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54968818 9108 - that takes down my previous best of 8932 (which was heavily OCed on the 3080) easily, but not by a lot.  Interesting.
 
Even more interesting:
 

 
489W maximum power draw  While I'm happy to see it at least near the advertised 500, I am disappointed it's that close, at STOCK, granted the voltage is way higher than it needs to be for that given frequency, but it seems the headroom even with the higher BIOS stuff, isn't really there.
 
I'll continue this testing after some sleep, been up for 29 hours & I'm officially exhausted.

Hey there. Can you check the average board power draw during a run? High power spike readings are very common and does not mean the xoc bios is working. I've had spikes over 500w but never close to 500 on average. For those that have the bios working, they will draw about 500 watts average, not max.