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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/10 07:40:01
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Why am I purposefully brought look at a dudes rear end?
Love this thread. brought EVERYONE out of the wood works :)
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/10 08:55:34
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Until now every card I have ever owned from EVGA was a classified or kingpin. I have a couple of their many variants they offer acx2.0 AC w backplate (that's a mouthful).... As much as I like EVGA and their customer service is top notch I might have to try out a couple other manufacturers at this point that are offering higher end cards.. I like the Refrence acx2.0 sc with backplate and I'm glad I didn't waste more money on the classified or kingpin cards...
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/10 09:47:17
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You will see ASUS GTX980Ti Matrix Gold. 1250-1300MHz Base Clock. She will be direct competitor to EVGA 980Ti K|NGP|N under LN2 but for gamers faster and better than anything on ambient temps(air and water cooling). Looks like ASUS decide to dominate in GPU world same as in motherboard section. They have money to pay binned chips to NVIDIA if need and we know NVIDIA politic and relationship with money, that's specific relationship. NVIDIA and money. But my advice for all GTX980Ti owners no matter on model is to sell their cards and to buy TITAN X SC and install Hybrid cooler. I like more TITAN X SC with 5-6% lower score than overclocked GTX980Ti only because full chip and when cards with 8GB show up in mid range class for 12-18 months people will rather to buy card with 12GB than with 6GB. Same as 780Ti now worth under 300e and nobody want them but for TITAN Black owners could get 500e.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/10 12:53:51
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I sent the following email to Chris B at EVGA and he replied that he forwarded it to the product management team. I hope they at the very least do something for those of us that water cooled our 980 KPE & could not get 1 additional mhz out of them.
If you get a chance please take a look at the thread in the link below on the EVGA forum. We all knew there was an issue but to finally hear it from the co-designer of the card cements the fact. It was very frustrating not being able to achieve any higher clocks on water with these cards to say the least.
Is anything at all going to be done for current 980 kpe card owners? As Vince stated the TI KPE will have a fix for this issue but we 980 kpe owners are still going to be stuck with a high end unlocked gpu that does not scale with voltage.
Thanks for your time,
Sincerely,
Anthony
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/10 18:25:01
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Fix for what... for low OC on AIR and water? I know fix...you send one bag like this...  ...to NVIDIA and they send you nice chips and no problems. Without nice silicon fix not exist. But because now is 20th Anniversary of ASUS and they could buy all binned chips if they want I afraid that you will find worse and worse samples in your cards and more and more excuse. I only don't like because EVGA and with series GTX780Ti didn't behave like customer deserve, they had some number of very good chips, but they decide to sell maybe 20% more cards, and they are not capable to work in any class except maybe for Superclocked as very bad chips for overclocking. And on that way they show that customers can't be sure any more with any model, no matter how more money they pay over reference cards that's not enough for them to properly test cards. ... Maybe they forgot to enable Demo during testings...  Because I strongly believe that Futuremark tests was capable to drop number of K|NGP|N cards for 20%. Nothing else, only one amateur to sit and to install one buy one one board and to run Futuremark tests...
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/19 17:39:38
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I bought a 980 Ti HydroCopper with 61.1% ASIC. After reading this thread, this card won't be great at overclocking? I plan on overlocking it too.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 03:23:50
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You can't be sure before you try.
No one will go over 1200-1300MHz base clock for gaming, that's sure.
Only is question how much 1210 or 1290MHz.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 05:43:21
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Vlada011
You can't be sure before you try.
No one will go over 1200-1300MHz base clock for gaming, that's sure.
Only is question how much 1210 or 1290MHz.
I game at 1506 and 8000 on my SLI 980 KP's. SS
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 06:14:16
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980s seem to clock higher. I could do near 1600 on air with my old 980s. Generally, 1450Mhz is about average for 980 ti cards. 1450-1550+Mhz on water. This is stable too. Not just 1 run through firestrike or a few hours of valley like most do. This is 6 months gaming on 980s and about a month on 980tis with no driver crashes.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 07:50:21
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From that statement, can we assume that all EVGA Classified and KingPin cards arrive with an ASIC value (75% and up) ? And can that value be changed within a single card or is the ASIC value forged in um... silicon?  Wish EVGA would simply tell us how they bin the GPUs for the upper tier cards. Seems to be a semi-secret. 
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 08:50:23
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No, it doesn't because my Classified came with a 67% ASIC and other guys got a 61% or 63% ASIC. These chips are not binned, or if they are, they are not binned by ASIC alone.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 09:02:46
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I don't k ow that I believe in a real binning process by any manufacturer. I've seen way to many variances in top tie cards. If your buying the top of the line card from ANYONE on a custom pcb and some comes with a score in the 60's, some 70's and 80's I would say they have a. Real binning process. Or they just say screw it lets make more money and ignore the process. Saying though I have seen cards in the 60's OC higher than cards in the higher 70's low 80's.... So it's a crap shoot no matter how you look at it.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 09:41:05
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Ppl have got their 980 ti classified with asic less than 75 percent... someone on ocn had 66.7 percent. I'm sure the kingpins will be binned though but their main focus is on memory overclock... as kingpin said it's hard to push the core much with voltages.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 10:37:38
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jk0520
No, it doesn't because my Classified came with a 67% ASIC and other guys got a 61% or 63% ASIC. These chips are not binned, or if they are, they are not binned by ASIC alone.
I'm at PDX 26 Lan in Portland and I spoke with Joey from EVGA directly about the "binning" process and this is basically what he said.
" Like Kingpin has stated, Maxwell limits out via temperature or voltage. Because the reference PCBS's are hard locked voltage wise and at 84c temprature, we do "sort" the GPU cores for the superclocked versions of the GPU's and then the very best overclockable GPU's are "binned" to be the Classifieds and the Kingpins. Even though they may have lower ASIC scores, we sort them NOT by ASIC scores but what we are able to stabile overclock them too and then put them in the appropriate models. So essentially, unless you do water cooling or LN2, high or low ASIC scored card, your very rarely going to go past around 1550 mhz core speed, even the higher "binned" Classified cards cards. In the end, its a silicon lottery, ASIC score or not. :"
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 11:17:17
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Vlada011
You can't be sure before you try.
No one will go over 1200-1300MHz base clock for gaming, that's sure.
Only is question how much 1210 or 1290MHz.
I game at 1506 and 8000 on my SLI 980 KP's.
SS
I talk about base clock and GM200. Usually is that 1400-1500MHz Boost.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 11:25:41
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No, it doesn't because my Classified came with a 67% ASIC and other guys got a 61% or 63% ASIC. These chips are not binned, or if they are, they are not binned by ASIC alone.
I'm at PDX 26 Lan in Portland and I spoke with Joey from EVGA directly about the "binning" process and this is basically what he said.
" Like Kingpin has stated, Maxwell limits out via temperature or voltage. Because the reference PCBS's are hard locked voltage wise and at 84c temprature, we do "sort" the GPU cores for the superclocked versions of the GPU's and then the very best overclockable GPU's are "binned" to be the Classifieds and the Kingpins. Even though they may have lower ASIC scores, we sort them NOT by ASIC scores but what we are able to stabile overclock them too and then put them in the appropriate models. So essentially, unless you do water cooling or LN2, high or low ASIC scored card, your very rarely going to go past around 1550 mhz core speed, even the higher "binned" Classified cards cards. In the end, its a silicon lottery, ASIC score or not. :"
I can attest to this as my 980 KPE's will run 1530-1535 game stable with 1.212v. Once my temps hit 50c or better I start to see "flashing" artifacts in FS at clocks over 1530 regardless of voltage. I'm trying to find a chiller that will help drop the temps on them and my cpu so I can see if 1600+ is obtainable. Mine will both do 1506 at 1.20 no matter what with Kimir's bios. SS
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 11:26:53
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Vlada011
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Vlada011
You can't be sure before you try.
No one will go over 1200-1300MHz base clock for gaming, that's sure.
Only is question how much 1210 or 1290MHz.
I game at 1506 and 8000 on my SLI 980 KP's.
SS
I talk about base clock and GM200.
Usually is that 1400-1500MHz Boost.
I lock boost and disable voltage in X16. SS
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 11:29:44
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You want to say that you play with unofficial BIOS and disabled Boost with 1500MHz clock...
Did you compare result with cards on 1500MHz boost, it's similar...???
Maybe if you have some nice chip and unofficial BIOS, I think that guys with 250W power consumption chips shouldn't expect same just like that.
I mean people talk about 1500MHz BIOS for TITAN X but very small number of people could use such BIOS everyday without crash.
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/20 12:03:20
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Vlada011
You want to say that you play with unofficial BIOS and disabled Boost with 1500MHz clock...
Did you compare result with cards on 1500MHz boost, it's similar...???
Maybe if you have some nice chip and unofficial BIOS, I think that guys with 250W power consumption chips shouldn't expect same just like that.
I mean people talk about 1500MHz BIOS for TITAN X but very small number of people could use such BIOS everyday without crash.
It's a modded ln2 bios which already has power limits disabled. The boost can be locked in the latest version of X16 by cntrl/shift/click mouse wheel which also disables X16 voltage control. ;) I don't consider my chips to be special .... maybe they are COLD but I've yet to test that. They will NOT do 1550 with any bios or amount of voltage. SS
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2015/07/21 10:24:25
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Cant wait to see if the highly binned chips of 80 plus actually make this issue go away or if it is all a big scam.........
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Re: STATEMENT BY KINGPIN THAT PROVES 900 SERIES DOES NOT SCALE WITH VOLTAGE NO MATTER BRAN
2016/08/02 16:52:42
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THAAAAAANKS Wow, i wish i knew this earlier. I was trying at least 5 different Bios on my 980 classy, cause i didnt want to accept that it doesnt offer more than 1530mhz. At least for 24/7 stable. It did confuse me that i didnt get even 15 mhz more clock, even with up to 1,4V with the classy controller. Well, besides the good build quality theres still a good reason to go for the classy, you can push the VRAM pretty high, with a little overvoltage to 1,7 you can achieve 4050-4100 easy and even more for benchmarks, up to 1,8 Volt. I dont think EVGA SC offer that option. And memory OC brings huge performance gains in games, for sure more than the difference from 1530-1600mhz core would bring. However i dont think im ever going with a classy again...now that Overclocking is not a big deal anymore, at least not for the average gaming guy, im gonna stick with an FTW at max. Not gonnay pay big extra money anymore. The prices are just pathetic. Guess ill stay at least 2 more years with my 980.
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