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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/21 22:15:34
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I have version 4, does that make a difference?
Okay, just tested it and it is working. :)
Edit: So, it says my checksum is incorrect.... Yet it still flashed and no black screen.
004 doesnt work with this new bios (Im just in process of adding support for it now to version 005 as well as a lot more 3 plug card stuff.) 004 has some odditys with some 3 plug bioses since its intended for my 2 plug card (thats where the 1000W bios came from a few days ago lol). Still have a lot of work until its fully functional for all people. But in its current state its useful as a information tool for people.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/21 22:20:31
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johnksss
I have version 4, does that make a difference?
Okay, just tested it and it is working. :)
Edit: So, it says my checksum is incorrect.... Yet it still flashed and no black screen.
004 doesnt work with this new bios (Im just in process of adding support for it now to version 005 as well as a lot more 3 plug card stuff.) 004 has some odditys with some 3 plug bioses since its intended for my 2 plug card (thats where the 1000W bios came from a few days ago lol).
Still have a lot of work until its fully functional for all people.
But in its current state its useful as a information tool for people.
Hummmm, so can I get version 5? Also a side project.....2080 MXM bios...Will this work? I quit working on it as I could not get past the black screen after flashing with correct check sums in multiple locations.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/21 22:24:59
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MX25U8033E on EVGA cards.
Wasnt planning on releasing another version to public until it was finished. I only released 004 since I was getting begged for it from people wanted to look at bios on there card to figure out what power limit they were hitting to stop them reaching total board power limit.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/21 22:32:26
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MX25U8033E on EVGA cards.
Wasnt planning on releasing another version to public until it was finished. I only released 004 since I was getting begged for it from people wanted to look at bios on there card to figure out what power limit they were hitting to stop them reaching total board power limit.
Any time frame on that as V4 can't read this 1K watt bios like V5. So that makes me wonder if it can edit the 2080 MXM and flash with out cert error normally.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 00:44:29
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I've got my RMA K|NGP|N coming tomorrow, so fingers crossed the pump buzz is gone and something is better on the card regarding this whole situation.
My buzzing did not go away. I got my RMA today. Maybe *slightly* less prevalent if not placebo, but still the same exact buzzing under load and SIGNIFICANTLY worse silicon. Like down to my FTW's level. I can't even get up to a friend's FTW3 score with this thing it's so bad or to my old card's score when it wasn't crashing all the time.
Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 00:59:11
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:  This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 01:07:44
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:
This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
Yeah, you'll have to keep us posted with what EVGA Support says if you're looking at a second RMA in less than a week. Maybe they'll look into the manufacturing or design if enough keep submitting an RMA.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 01:13:32
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Yeah, you'll have to keep us posted with what EVGA Support says if you're looking at a second RMA in less than a week. Maybe they'll look into the manufacturing or design if enough keep submitting an RMA.
Honestly just trying to get a working card that doesn't buzz my ear off and crash/blank the screen. The first one had the loud buzzing like this one, but also crashed all the time when my FTW and FE did not with the same exact machine. Now this one is buzzing and artifacting and blanking the screen during Port Royal runs/heavy load while showing pink artifacting on the monitors not running PR. No other card did that. RMA #2 is getting put in later today. Unacceptable for a two-thousand dollar card. (Or any dollar card for that matter) Not to mention -- the performance on this RMA card is horrendous and a card 200$ less could and will easily perform better.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 06:14:11
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Just got my card yesterday and I’ve done just a little bit of testing. With OC bios, max power slider, +90 core - fans, voltage, and memory are untouched.
1. Time Spy Extreme: PCIe power draw is 64w with 494w total power
2. Port Royal: PCIe power draw is 58w with 455w total power. Score is 14277
With both my old FTW3 hybrid and air cards my PCIe slot power draw was 75 - 81w. I’ve also not used PX1 - strictly Afterburner. so far no coil whine.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 06:19:12
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i dont know why Asus doesnt release the WC version, the strix clearly seems to be a winner this year, when you put it on water it does wonders
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 06:37:47
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i dont know why Asus doesnt release the WC version, the strix clearly seems to be a winner this year, when you put it on water it does wonders
Because they market the cooler. I am sure they could do a hybrid. The strix 90 I have isn't very good, it's all lottery. My buddy's strix 90 isn 't too good either. I got a suprim 90 yesterday, flashed the ln2 KPE bios onto it and it is 10mhz less stable lol.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 06:45:24
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i dont know why Asus doesnt release the WC version, the strix clearly seems to be a winner this year, when you put it on water it does wonders
Because they market the cooler. I am sure they could do a hybrid. The strix 90 I have isn't very good, it's all lottery. My buddy's strix 90 isn 't too good either. I got a suprim 90 yesterday, flashed the ln2 KPE bios onto it and it is 10mhz less stable lol.
yea its all lottery indeed, my strix with the KPE bios on air did 14 646 on port royal with a 9900k, if id slap the evga hybrid kit maybe i could touch the 15k
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 06:59:56
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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/672176 strix + ek block & kingpin xoc 1000W bios 
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 07:04:13
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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/672176 strix + ek block & kingpin xoc 1000W bios 
yea, im just not that of an enthusiast to buy a full loop etc etc and scratch my head when it come to resell a card with a block or putting back the air cooler and loosing the cost of the block etc. but i do enjoy seeing people pushing the limits of these cards :)
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 08:40:43
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15,100 http://www.3dmark.com/pr/671431ln2 bios, msi afterburner +115 core (with small adjustments on the curve), +1198 Mem. Runs starting at ~10C. ~500W on the run was peak power draw. Did some cleanup and found that the unpredictability was most likely caused by PX1. I'm no expert on boost, but I can certainly say it was not behaving correctly before. I've watched enough Port Royal to know what to expect. Starting the run at 2130 or 2115, and then the card attempting 2190 60 seconds into the run is not expected. Started over and found my clocks again, and then adjusted curve. Noticed the locking into 950MHZ and other issues went away. Was getting the "full" 1.1mv cap that most see. Tweaked curve and RAM a bit to hit my best score. Now I'll tone it down for a daily OC. Anecdote: My card downclocks 15mhz at the 43C mark. My FE never went down until 50C. Not sure if anyone else sees the same behavior.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 08:46:55
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Is there an expected/typical delta between GPU and GPU2 temperatures?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 08:51:00
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Is there an expected/typical delta between GPU and GPU2 temperatures?
GPU2 is the back of the card, behind the GPU die - right? If it's too high for your liking, put a fan back there. Without one on my card, it gets up to 78C. I forgot to put one back there again after I installed my FTW3 hybrid kit. My card runs at 64C GPU1 temperature with that GPU2 temp, pulling 500W or so.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 09:05:09
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Is there an expected/typical delta between GPU and GPU2 temperatures?
GPU2 is the back of the card, behind the GPU die - right? If it's too high for your liking, put a fan back there.
Without one on my card, it gets up to 78C. I forgot to put one back there again after I installed my FTW3 hybrid kit. My card runs at 64C GPU1 temperature with that GPU2 temp, pulling 500W or so.
Really? Can someone confirm? I always wondered what my rear temps were. Felt really hot so I also stuck fans back there
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 11:53:32
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Got the RMA card in and honestly performance wise it's slightly better than my previous as far as binning goes (stock AIO with stock fan curve, ambient is about 20C but average run temp was 53C - peaked at 60C). PR run was 14,620 out of the box on LN2 BIOS.
Biggest problem? Buzz is still there on the pump whenever the GPU hits above 45C or so. My hybrid 3090 FTW3 doesn't make a peep at high loads so this is super frustrating. This specific card could easily clear 15K on stock AIO/stock fans/stock fan curve but the pump buzz is super obnoxious.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 11:58:50
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DarthYodi
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:
This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
Now I am even worried even more that my second card is going to do worse....
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 12:00:08
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:
This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
Now I am even worried even more that my second card is going to do worse....
If it makes you feel any better, my second card is doing better under worse conditions (3 stock fans, no push/pull setup). Only problem is the stupid pump buzzing like a mad man.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 12:23:50
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Is there an expected/typical delta between GPU and GPU2 temperatures?
GPU2 is the back of the card, behind the GPU die - right? If it's too high for your liking, put a fan back there.
Without one on my card, it gets up to 78C. I forgot to put one back there again after I installed my FTW3 hybrid kit. My card runs at 64C GPU1 temperature with that GPU2 temp, pulling 500W or so.
Really? Can someone confirm? I always wondered what my rear temps were. Felt really hot so I also stuck fans back there
I'm pretty sure gpu 2 temp is from a thermistor on the pcb behind the die. Its mainly for monitoring temps while doing ln2 if you have issues with the temp readings being off while sub zero. Last night when I was messing with it I was having about a 5c Delta with gpu 1 being lower
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 12:34:37
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DarthYodi
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:
This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
Now I am even worried even more that my second card is going to do worse....
If it makes you feel any better, my second card is doing better under worse conditions (3 stock fans, no push/pull setup). Only problem is the stupid pump buzzing like a mad man.
Its a little reassuring. Whats your max temp on load. Also where do you have you rad mounted and how?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 12:35:19
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If it makes you feel any better, my second card is doing better under worse conditions (3 stock fans, no push/pull setup). Only problem is the stupid pump buzzing like a mad man.
Where is your rad located? I never hear my pump.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 12:52:53
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I've had it mounted both at the front with the tubes on the bottom of the rad and the RMA I tried both that way and rad on the top.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 13:03:52
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Well that's slightly concerning. Here's hoping for the best when I pop it in tomorrow I suppose. Not sure what good it'll do getting a worse card through RMA. :/
Yeah this card is WAY worse. I just scored my best PR run with it yet:
This is with the same settings as someone who scored a 15k+ on their KPE in another thread. Also this card is artifacting while running PR with a core and mem offset and blanking out the screen repeatedly. So that's a plus. RMA #2.
Now I am even worried even more that my second card is going to do worse....
If it makes you feel any better, my second card is doing better under worse conditions (3 stock fans, no push/pull setup). Only problem is the stupid pump buzzing like a mad man.
I just realized what you meant. So your second card is performing better than your first.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 13:30:34
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markuaw1
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/672176 strix + ek block & kingpin xoc 1000W bios
Interesting result. I'm ~100 points under you with a warmer card, lower clock speeds, and the standard LN2 520W BIOS on the KP. That's a lot more power and mods you have going on there and cooler temps to not make much of a gain  I wonder why that is?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 13:32:19
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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/672176 strix + ek block & kingpin xoc 1000W bios
Interesting result. I'm ~100 points under you with a warmer card, lower clock speeds, and the standard LN2 520W BIOS on the KP. That's a lot more power and mods you have going on there and cooler temps to not make much of a gain
I wonder why that is?
Driver version used, background programs running (non-clean boot), not setting high performance shaders in NVCP, etc.
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 13:37:17
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Driver version used, background programs running (non-clean boot), not setting high performance shaders in NVCP, etc.
Crap I need to do those things too then lol. But I think I have the latest drivers. Is that what is recommended?
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Re: RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Power Draw Issues
2020/12/22 13:48:40
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arestavo
Driver version used, background programs running (non-clean boot), not setting high performance shaders in NVCP, etc.
Crap I need to do those things too then lol. But I think I have the latest drivers. Is that what is recommended?
Other folks will need to weigh in as I'm still on 360.79 due to issues with the latest two.
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