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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 12:43:35
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What I did notice though I can still maintain a score between 15500-15600 when my average temps was in the mid 30's with staying below the 1.2 NVDD range. the lower my volt range for NVDD with lower temps the more I stayed between 1500-15600 mark.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 12:50:43
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@kooncey
This is really helpful and very interesting. Thanks for all of these details! I have seen your runs on the 3D mark search page — really impressive — I didn’t realize that was you. I’ve just started messing with Port Royal on the LN2 BIOS and my highest PR score in a closed case and relatively warm ambient room is 14844 with a core clock of 2160 at 55C (yeah that’s pretty warm but it will likely be my gaming and daily driver temperature).
I do plan to start cooling it down and opening the case just to see how far I can push it on LN2 BIOS only using PX1. After that I’ll start raising the dip switch voltages to see if I can gain any benefits there, but I’ll probably be temperature limited unless I open a window and let some of that -11C outside air into the room. Thanks again and good luck with that card! It looks like you’ve got yourself a beast.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 12:57:54
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I can't post any links yet, but I have a 9900k. I had it clocked at 5.1 all the way to 5.3. I can boot up to 5.4 but the voltage that it's requiring may not be worth the test run. When testing for the first time under ln2 setting i scored a 15167, with my cpu at 5.1 with tweaking to the tool and settings I was at a 15300, again also with cpu at 5.1 This was all in my bedroom with no window or any help with my card in my case and no open side panels with a room temp around 67f-69f I believe my overall average temp run from the card was showing 46C\48C on both of those runs. I can test out stock settings in a minute or two.
Nice score. What was your GPU and MEM OC? I have a 9900KS and am looking for some comparisons. Thanks!
You can find a lot of my recent testing at higher scores on the 3d mark search page just type in the info and look for the username ToastyPeppers. My highest score currently is 15802 but in order for me to even get that I had to get my temps low starting the test. for the different kinds of comparison on what core and mem clocks I used. I kept my mem between 1400-1500. I notice with my memory, the cooler it is the more I can run it at 18000 but I have to increase mem volt for a stable run. At one point I had it at 20000 mem but I was getting heavy flickering and my pc shutdown on me. Core clock has been all over with different testing. on xoc bios I kept it around 200 up to 265 so far. With a normal run on ln2 bios with my score reaching 15300, I believe my mem was set to 1250-1275 but I do not remember my core clock settings personally maybe my other comparisons could give a little insight on what I used, as I said I went all over different settings trying to figure out what went with what. I plan on cooling it with liquid nitrogen soon not sure when though.
Thank you for the good information i have a request for you , for the sake of science can you make a comparison between : 1: Stock CPU and ram 2: Max overclocked CPU and ram on the same GPU settings and temps ?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:07:42
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@kooncey
This is really helpful and very interesting. Thanks for all of these details! I have seen your runs on the 3D mark search page — really impressive — I didn’t realize that was you. I’ve just started messing with Port Royal on the LN2 BIOS and my highest PR score in a closed case and relatively warm ambient room is 14844 with a core clock of 2160 at 55C (yeah that’s pretty warm but it will likely be my gaming and daily driver temperature).
I do plan to start cooling it down and opening the case just to see how far I can push it on LN2 BIOS only using PX1. After that I’ll start raising the dip switch voltages to see if I can gain any benefits there, but I’ll probably be temperature limited unless I open a window and let some of that -11C outside air into the room. Thanks again and good luck with that card! It looks like you’ve got yourself a beast.
Yeah, I stayed away from benchmarking the 20's series cards. my last bench testing was with the 1080 ti kingpin card. I’m pretty much doing same kind of tests I did back then, expect new this time will be liquid nitrogen coming up as soon as I talk to the local dealer here. I did find my best run at 15300 I was telling you about on the search page. As I mention this run was done in my bedroom with room temps ranging from 67F-69F with my cpu under a custom watercooled loop. Average gpu temp of 51 for this run, with no ticks no helping aid just my card in my case with my side panels still on with my cpu at 5.1 vs having it at 5.3 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-9900K Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS XI FORMULA (3dmark.com) on a sidenote, this person also has a i9900k and had close to my marks but with a very low temp and at 5.3cpu and their scores are way better then mine on paper it seems. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9-9900K Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING (3dmark.com)
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:11:02
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I can't post any links yet, but I have a 9900k. I had it clocked at 5.1 all the way to 5.3. I can boot up to 5.4 but the voltage that it's requiring may not be worth the test run. When testing for the first time under ln2 setting i scored a 15167, with my cpu at 5.1 with tweaking to the tool and settings I was at a 15300, again also with cpu at 5.1 This was all in my bedroom with no window or any help with my card in my case and no open side panels with a room temp around 67f-69f I believe my overall average temp run from the card was showing 46C\48C on both of those runs. I can test out stock settings in a minute or two.
Nice score. What was your GPU and MEM OC? I have a 9900KS and am looking for some comparisons. Thanks!
You can find a lot of my recent testing at higher scores on the 3d mark search page just type in the info and look for the username ToastyPeppers. My highest score currently is 15802 but in order for me to even get that I had to get my temps low starting the test. for the different kinds of comparison on what core and mem clocks I used. I kept my mem between 1400-1500. I notice with my memory, the cooler it is the more I can run it at 18000 but I have to increase mem volt for a stable run. At one point I had it at 20000 mem but I was getting heavy flickering and my pc shutdown on me. Core clock has been all over with different testing. on xoc bios I kept it around 200 up to 265 so far. With a normal run on ln2 bios with my score reaching 15300, I believe my mem was set to 1250-1275 but I do not remember my core clock settings personally maybe my other comparisons could give a little insight on what I used, as I said I went all over different settings trying to figure out what went with what. I plan on cooling it with liquid nitrogen soon not sure when though.
Thank you for the good information i have a request for you ,
for the sake of science can you make a comparison between :
1: Stock CPU and ram
2: Max overclocked CPU and ram on the same GPU settings and temps ?
Yes, and Yes I can do that. I plan on doing a lot of testing starting in the next 2-3 days from now I will keep you posted on that. I am after all doing this for the sake of science when comparing different range of numbers.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:44:42
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Is that 86 maxed out @ 5.1?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:51:24
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Yep, download nvidia inspector and make two batch files...
Mem OFF:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\nvidiainspector\nvidiaInspector.exe" -setpstatelimit:0,8
Mem ON:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\nvidiainspector\nvidiaInspector.exe" -setpstatelimit:0,0
Click mem off to stop the issue. Click mem on when ready to use any graphics accelerated apps. 
On stock LN2 BIOS, I'm also seeing 120-130 w idle. I think a recent driver update also caused this, I saw in the patch notes from NVIDIA that this is known. Is this also a fix for any high power draw at idle with the 3090 series?
It could certainly be used to fix high power draw as well.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:52:05
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If you guys are getting low Port Royal scores, even though the clocks are high, you need to tweak NVVDD/MSVDD in order to get better scores. Finding the perfect combination isn't easy but can boost score a lot.
Undervolt 0.950v 2130MHz without NVVDD/MSVDD tweaks - 14,624 - Max power draw: 407W
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/696258
Undervolt 0.950v 2130MHz NVVDD/MSVDD tweaked - 15,012 - Max power draw: 432W
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/696376
Proof:
https://i.imgur.com/2jmki37.jpg
That is what I had a feeling it what was going on when I was doing my testing anyways. Trying to find the perfect combination for your card with those tweak settings. We could compare numbers all day but each card chip is different and someone running the same settings as the other person could get a completely different score.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 13:52:32
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it does 5.2 but it isn't completely stable.
gonna load it up and compare the scores.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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@chester_306 It doesn't really need to be that stable for PR. Feel free to take it to 1.4xxv for a little run or so. Yes you would gain some pts upgrading.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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I have my 10900k at 1.4v LLC4 on a Z490 godlike for daily use. 1.4v is nothing at idle for 14nm Intel chips if you allow enough VDroop—by the time a heavy load hits, you’ll be under 1.2v. Remember—high droop and high idle voltage is safer then low droop at lower idle voltage because you won’t see 1.5-1.6v spikes that may be undetectable but will quickly degrade your chip (a flat load line curve is rarely a good idea, especially for daily use!). Also, Max out your VRM switching frequency so the VRM can respond quicker to changes in load.
Buildzoid has used an oscilloscope to measure transients on a number of different boards across brands to find sweet spots for LLC values (balance of spike/droop, load/idle voltages, and stability), worth watching some to get an idea of these trends.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 14:32:47
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That is what I had a feeling it what was going on when I was doing my testing anyways. Trying to find the perfect combination for your card with those tweak settings. We could compare numbers all day but each card chip is different and someone running the same settings as the other person could get a completely different score.
Yeah, the KPE just needs the proper combination to get good scores. PR runs with 2200MHz avg but getting below 14.6k is because they haven't applied the tweaks needed. Every voltage point in the curve uses different NVVDD/MSSVD combinations and sometimes too much/low won't work.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 14:45:24
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That is what I had a feeling it what was going on when I was doing my testing anyways. Trying to find the perfect combination for your card with those tweak settings. We could compare numbers all day but each card chip is different and someone running the same settings as the other person could get a completely different score.
Yeah, the KPE just needs the proper combination to get good scores. PR runs with 2200MHz avg but getting below 14.6k is because they haven't applied the tweaks needed. Every voltage point in the curve uses different NVVDD/MSSVD combinations and sometimes too much/low won't work.
I just found my profile for the classy tool I used to get a score of 15756. I used 1.23750 on NVVDD it's most likely what I used to get 15802 nevertheless. However checking out different profile settings I was all over with different high numbers and low from NVVDD, numbers still got me at 15600 and up.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 14:54:12
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Voltages definitely help when they are right, but having a good chip is how you get the good scores.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 15:24:57
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Voltages definitely help when they are right, but having a good chip is how you get the good scores.
very true, that is what I was trying to say to you when it comes with temps in a different post. I felt like having a lower temp to play with on my card and the possibility of having a good chip helped with those voltages. If so, I thought maybe yours could have been the same if temps were lower, but who knows you could be right about your card. I for one know for a fact if I plug those numbers in and have my pc in my bedroom for the test with no help and all side panels on with my room temp around 68F, it will crash before it even loads port royal. (that is the 15756-score classy tool setting) This is also why I've been doing all sorts of different types of testing. I could care less about my high score means nothing to me when playing games, I'll never reach those marks. I'm just glad I know it's possible for me to hit 17000 and up on liquid nitrogen with this chip I have.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
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2020/12/26 15:45:39
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
I've seen others on overclock.net with the same complaints. Which sucks because my 5950x is supposed to ship soon and I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice my PR scores for it. Might have to switch some stuff around to keep Intel on my kingpin rig. I'm assuming you guys are using the fastest ram possible and manual timings? Tried different cpu overclocks?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 15:56:35
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My ram is only running at 3400 cl14.
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
I've seen others on overclock.net with the same complaints. Which sucks because my 5950x is supposed to ship soon and I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice my PR scores for it. Might have to switch some stuff around to keep Intel on my kingpin rig. I'm assuming you guys are using the fastest ram possible and manual timings? Tried different cpu overclocks?
I'm using CL15 ram at 4000
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
I wish I knew what the intel chip does faster or more efficient because the using the single thread test in CPUZ the 5950 default configuration (up to 4.8 or so) still beats out my 9900k at 5.3 to 5.4 it's so frustrating, LOL oh well. sigh... initially I thought it might have something to do with PCIE 4.0 VS 3.0 since my apex for intel only does 3.0 but that went nowhere.
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2020/12/26 16:31:37
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
I've seen others on overclock.net with the same complaints. Which sucks because my 5950x is supposed to ship soon and I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice my PR scores for it. Might have to switch some stuff around to keep Intel on my kingpin rig. I'm assuming you guys are using the fastest ram possible and manual timings? Tried different cpu overclocks?
I'm using CL15 ram at 4000
That's pretty awesome but have you tried using the dram calculator? I've seen some pretty crazy gains on Zen 2 in gaming. Don't know how that'll translate to PR and Zen 3.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 16:35:50
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at pure stock on the kingpin I am getting 250-300 points LESS just by using my ryzen 5950 instead of my intel 9900k
is there any way to regain the points on the ryzen? or thats just how it is? If so i may have to bail on porte royal test
as I am getting tired of moving the card around, and would rather use the ryzen system.
Lol. Thanks for the confirmation. People been saying CPU’s don’t matter on port royal. Looks like they were wrong.
I've seen others on overclock.net with the same complaints. Which sucks because my 5950x is supposed to ship soon and I'm not sure if I'm willing to sacrifice my PR scores for it. Might have to switch some stuff around to keep Intel on my kingpin rig. I'm assuming you guys are using the fastest ram possible and manual timings? Tried different cpu overclocks?
I'm using CL15 ram at 4000
That's pretty awesome but have you tried using the dram calculator? I've seen some pretty crazy gains on Zen 2 in gaming. Don't know how that'll translate to PR and Zen 3.
I'm on intel with a 9900k @5.3 it took a lot of trial and error just to get CL15 @ 4000 just to work on my motherboard max this board can do is 4400. It's to late in the game now to buy a different one I am waiting for 11th gen to come out in March to make my decision for my new build to see if I go AMD this time around or Intel.
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ran it under normal bios at 5.2 and got a score of 14066 with average temp at 43C, again although I do have a push\pull config on the rad. this was also with no core clock, no mem clock or any tool tweaking just plan stock run in push/pull.
Nice. My temperatures are more in 50s (Florida). Going to see how I do with my CPU not overclocked. I've got the Lian Li Dynamic XL coming this week, which should help, my current case (Fractal Design S2 Vision) has pretty poor airflow to the GPU. For those with the Dynamic XL, should I set the Kingpin radiator as the side intake, or top exhaust? I also have a 360mm EKBW AIO cooling my 9900k.
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kooncey
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 17:59:31
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Carmen813
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ran it under normal bios at 5.2 and got a score of 14066 with average temp at 43C, again although I do have a push\pull config on the rad. this was also with no core clock, no mem clock or any tool tweaking just plan stock run in push/pull.
Nice. My temperatures are more in 50s (Florida). Going to see how I do with my CPU not overclocked. I've got the Lian Li Dynamic XL coming this week, which should help, my current case (Fractal Design S2 Vision) has pretty poor airflow to the GPU. For those with the Dynamic XL, should I set the Kingpin radiator as the side intake, or top exhaust? I also have a 360mm EKBW AIO cooling my 9900k.
I have mine at the bottom. https://imgur.com/rVXCBaB
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Carmen813
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2020/12/26 18:59:29
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kooncey
Carmen813
kooncey
ran it under normal bios at 5.2 and got a score of 14066 with average temp at 43C, again although I do have a push\pull config on the rad. this was also with no core clock, no mem clock or any tool tweaking just plan stock run in push/pull.
Nice. My temperatures are more in 50s (Florida). Going to see how I do with my CPU not overclocked. I've got the Lian Li Dynamic XL coming this week, which should help, my current case (Fractal Design S2 Vision) has pretty poor airflow to the GPU. For those with the Dynamic XL, should I set the Kingpin radiator as the side intake, or top exhaust? I also have a 360mm EKBW AIO cooling my 9900k.
I have mine at the bottom.
https://imgur.com/rVXCBaB
Interesting. I get about 14500 at 150/750. 175 crashed. Wouldn't radiator at bottom run risk of air in pump?
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