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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/10 22:32:57
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Card must have had the 1000W BIOS installed on it. Don't think you could draw that much power otherwise.
Is this something that happens a lot when buying a GPU directly from EVGA? (Did I get someones RMA?)
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/10 22:35:37
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Card must have had the 1000W BIOS installed on it. Don't think you could draw that much power otherwise.
Is this something that happens a lot when buying a GPU directly from EVGA? (Did I get someones RMA?)
If you got it BNIB and sealed, it'd be odd if it was someone else's RMA. If you go to the Advanced tab in GPUZ, and choose NVIDIA BIOS from the dropdown, what is your power limit?
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2022/01/10 22:42:02
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NIB and sealed, it'd be odd if it was someone else's RMA. If you go to the Advanced tab in GPUZ, and choose NVIDIA BIOS from the dropdown, what is your power limit?
 Seems reasonable... Should the on-card display be accurate? It never went that high.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/10 22:47:06
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NIB and sealed, it'd be odd if it was someone else's RMA. If you go to the Advanced tab in GPUZ, and choose NVIDIA BIOS from the dropdown, what is your power limit?
Seems reasonable... Should the on-card display be accurate? It never went that high.
Looks stock. If it were the 1000W BIOS, it'd say 1000W, no percentages. The OLED on the card and PX1 should be in the ballpark. Is that 700W something GPUZ reported as sustained? Maybe it's just a peak in the data and doesn't mean it drew that much for long. What was your PerfCap Reason during the 3DMark run? Or did you happen to be in the menu for New World ;)
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2022/01/10 23:00:32
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Looks stock. If it were the 1000W BIOS, it'd say 1000W, no percentages. The OLED on the card and PX1 should be in the ballpark. Is that 700W something GPUZ reported as sustained? Maybe it's just a peak in the data and doesn't mean it drew that much for long.
What was your PerfCap Reason during the 3DMark run?
Or did you happen to be in the menu for New World ;)
Yeah must be a fluke. Perfcap says Idle -> Pwr -> Pwr. Thrm No New World, I don't play anything that intensive (aside from Control and only to test gpu stability). Going to keep playing with numbers. I am hoping this thing is worth keeping over other 3090 I have. Thank you guys for help so far. Just got 13677 with NVVDD 1.168 1300mem 165 clock. Doesn't look promising.
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2022/01/10 23:04:34
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Looks stock. If it were the 1000W BIOS, it'd say 1000W, no percentages. The OLED on the card and PX1 should be in the ballpark. Is that 700W something GPUZ reported as sustained? Maybe it's just a peak in the data and doesn't mean it drew that much for long.
What was your PerfCap Reason during the 3DMark run?
Or did you happen to be in the menu for New World ;)
Yeah must be a fluke. Perfcap says Idle -> Pwr -> Pwr. Thrm
No New World, I don't play anything that intensive (aside from Control and only to test gpu stability).
Going to keep playing with numbers. I am hoping this thing is worth keeping over other 3090 I have.
Thank you guys for help so far.
Just got 13677 with NVVDD 1.168 1300mem 165 clock. Doesn't look promising.
So looks like you're power and thermal limited. Not much you can do about the power limit unless you install the 1000W, but then need to be careful with the stock cooling solution on. For thermals, open a window, get the ambient temp down. Turn the radiator fans on full blast when you're running a test.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 00:30:37
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So looks like you're power and thermal limited. Not much you can do about the power limit unless you install the 1000W, but then need to be careful with the stock cooling solution on. For thermals, open a window, get the ambient temp down. Turn the radiator fans on full blast when you're running a test.
Thank you! I was doing a lot wrong. Will see if I can push it to ~14500 during the week. Then its a keeper. My fans were on Auto, now the temps are much more manageable. Also it appears that card throttles itself and really slows down during some parts of Port Royale - bringing average FPS down by a lot. Didn't know it gives status code timeline in GPU-Z - nice to learn. New result: 14151   
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 03:23:14
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That 700w+ reading has to be erroneous unless voltages have been changed. Normally a 3090 will only hit 550-600w in PR.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 04:49:00
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@maxenko, have you done a Port Royal stress test? What is your average sustained clock over the run? If you can, can you you make a run with only the temp and power sliders in px1? Want to get an idea of your average sustained clock. The reason I ask is that my KP is on the way and I am worried that it won't be any better than my FTW3 UG. That card stock with air cooling, with only the sliders, will have an average core clock of 1947. Underwater, with the Optimus block, +120 core +200 me I can get a 14.9k in PR with an avg clock of 2110. Best of luck to you!
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 04:53:45
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to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now.
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^
Short answer....it's your OS. if you cant do 14100 to 14500 on stock no over clock...your OS has been hosed by Microsoft.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 08:59:29
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elbramso
to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now.
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^
Short answer....it's your OS. if you cant do 14100 to 14500 on stock no over clock...your OS has been hosed by Microsoft.
That's another good point. Other software can hurt you. Close everything you don't need during 3Dmark. Kill anything open in the taskbar and go through your open processes and see if anything is sucking up resources and close it. Open software can really put a dent in your score. I also would say DDU the current drivers and do a clean install of the current nvidia drivers. Drivers can get mucked up.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 09:37:01
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@maxenko, have you done a Port Royal stress test? What is your average sustained clock over the run?
If you can, can you you make a run with only the temp and power sliders in px1? Want to get an idea of your average sustained clock.
The reason I ask is that my KP is on the way and I am worried that it won't be any better than my FTW3 UG.
That card stock with air cooling, with only the sliders, will have an average core clock of 1947.
Underwater, with the Optimus block, +120 core +200 me I can get a 14.9k in PR with an avg clock of 2110.
Best of luck to you!
I will test this out once I hit my max. Yesterday after hitting that score - I did my usualy 20 min of Control (ray tracing game, very good for crashing GPUs). It was stable and ran at highest frames yet. Today I found that my ram has been reset to 2666 from 4000MHz which its supposed to run at. I don't know when this happened. But now with just that set back to 4000 the score is:  I've also learned that Normal, OC and LN2 have different power limits - something nowhere to be found in documentation. Normal: 450W OC: 480W LN2: 520W So I was hard limited to 480 in OC. Will try LN2 now and play with dip switches - which are documented . Will report back.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 09:45:20
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Jsunn
@maxenko, have you done a Port Royal stress test? What is your average sustained clock over the run?
If you can, can you you make a run with only the temp and power sliders in px1? Want to get an idea of your average sustained clock.
The reason I ask is that my KP is on the way and I am worried that it won't be any better than my FTW3 UG.
That card stock with air cooling, with only the sliders, will have an average core clock of 1947.
Underwater, with the Optimus block, +120 core +200 me I can get a 14.9k in PR with an avg clock of 2110.
Best of luck to you!
I will test this out once I hit my max. Yesterday after hitting that score - I did my usualy 20 min of Control (ray tracing game, very good for crashing GPUs). It was stable and ran at highest frames yet.
Today I found that my ram has been reset to 2666 from 4000MHz which its supposed to run at. I don't know when this happened. But now with just that set back to 4000 the score is:
I've also learned that Normal, OC and LN2 have different power limits - something nowhere to be found in documentation.
Normal: 450W
OC: 480W
LN2: 520W
So I was hard limited to 480 in OC. Will try LN2 now and play with dip switches - which are documented . Will report back.
Also each bios will have different boosts, so when someones like +90, you wanna know what bios they’re on. +90 on LN2 is way higher clock then +90 on the 1000w bios. I never used the OC or normal bios so npt sure what they look like! Nice scores to start!
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 09:46:57
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So I was hard limited to 480 in OC. Will try LN2 now and play with dip switches - which are documented . Will report back.
Don't think you need to play with the dip switches too much. Think they're a fine tuning of voltage which you can already do in the Classified tool. I wouldn't mess with them.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
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2022/01/11 10:16:28
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15 919 is the best I could do with the new Optimus block without really pushing voltages: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1379861Not going to be able to push it too much higher without getting ambient down. Hard thing to do passively in SoCal. "Winter" may be over.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 10:24:51
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15 919 is the best I could do with the new Optimus block without really pushing voltages:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1379861
Not going to be able to push it too much higher without getting ambient down. Hard thing to do passively in SoCal. "Winter" may be over.
Ok, that is great! Thanks for the post, been waiting to see of someone had the Optimus block. Do you mind posting your settings, BIOS, Dip Switch positions, Mem and Core offsets? How do you like the block? Any issues installing. (I don't want to hijack the thread, but looking for first hand experience with the KP Optimus block. Mine is on order. Thank you! J
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 12:34:35
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fragility_V1
15 919 is the best I could do with the new Optimus block without really pushing voltages:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1379861
Not going to be able to push it too much higher without getting ambient down. Hard thing to do passively in SoCal. "Winter" may be over.
Ok, that is great! Thanks for the post, been waiting to see of someone had the Optimus block.
Do you mind posting your settings, BIOS, Dip Switch positions, Mem and Core offsets?
How do you like the block? Any issues installing. (I don't want to hijack the thread, but looking for first hand experience with the KP Optimus block. Mine is on order.
Thank you!
J
1000W bios, don't mess with the dip switches (didn't think they did anything that the classy tool couldn't), +240 on the GPU, +1400 on Mem, Classy settings below.  Running mid-to-high 20s at idle, and as you can see in the run, was only getting to high 30s during the run, may get into the 40s if the room is warmer. But great performance. Only issue installing was a that the cold plate wasn't properly seated and was leaking during an air pressure test. Basically loosened, reseated, and tightened everything at least once (sometimes more) before it could hold air. So I'd suggest going over every screw before installation and make sure to pressure test before filling. There's another user who had a similar issue, so I'd check everything to be safe. Oh, and I was missing a screw. Had the same size in my bin-o-screws, but would have been a pain otherwise. So check to make sure you received everything. Overall I like the block. A little disappointed in a few things: 1) I ordered the statin nickel finish and was under the impression it would match their signature block finish (I think they may have said the finishes would match at the early stages of KPE development). That's not so much the case. They're both silver, but my signature block is the silver they had before they started using the cerakote finish (you could only get it in silver), so they are two entirely different silvers. If I knew this was going to be the case I would have probably went with black. 2) The finish isn't perfect. There are drip marks here and there in the corners that are noticeable, but when the block is installed horizontally you don't see them anyway. Vertical mount you may notice them up close. One thing of note, I'm a little concerned when I try to pull of the back plate eventually I'm going to rip something off. The full size thermal pad is nice in that you don't have to worry about anything, but with the mounting pressure required everything on the backplate is going to be smooshed into the thermal pad. Going to be some stickage, so just going to have to be careful.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/11 12:40:27
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15 919 is the best I could do with the new Optimus block without really pushing voltages:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1379861
Not going to be able to push it too much higher without getting ambient down. Hard thing to do passively in SoCal. "Winter" may be over.
LOL. I had my machine sitting next to a window here in KS a while ago and had to keep closing the window more to keep the water above 0C! (distilled plus additive). Broke 16k with my turd 2x8pin Zotac. (1kw bios of course)
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Then that makes it not a turd. LOL
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A bit more playing around. My idle is about 29 with fans full blast. So probably not the best environment for 15k. New top: 14784 LN2. NVVDD sweet spot is 1.15. Anything below is a crash and anything above reduces the score. Memory +1400. CORE +145. Temps max at 62C.  This is a kick ass GPU. Def a keeper. Now to figure out why PSU is whining so much (7yr old 1300 EVGA XR). @fragility_V1 , yeah dip switches seem to not do anything classified doesn't already do. Aside from surviving reboots. I have all 4 core flipped to ON.
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Maxenko, I would not use the dip switches and the classified tool together, asking for trouble imho What is your base stock run? mine is 14180 on z390 with 3.0 rider cable. @420W Pull off the side panel for runs and maybe get a box fan to blow in the side and always blow the card down to close as you can to ambient room temp. If you are not blowing extra cooled air (winter or AC) I would not even play with the classified tool, It can boost power a degrade score greatly if the temps go above 45C. Look at everyone in the top 100 and you will see temps are way lower than any stock ambient run. I've pulled 590w and got a 13780 to show for it. Watts used does not produce any value in figuring out how to increase your score! repeat this to yourself as many times as necessary  Switch to LN2 (power off) boot up, first run try max sliders in afterburner or PX1+145 c and +1110 mem , this should get you in the 15k club easily . On a cold card you might overshoot and crash the first try like when the ship goes to overhead, sometimes the boost on the clock anything over +150c can get my card going over 2250mhz , like an engine that overrevs... Anyway , I hope this helps, the classified vid by Luumi is not much help unless you are ready to add extra cooling, imho Good Luck!
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Thank you for this post, this is the clearest guide to overclocking a stock card I've seen yet. My kingpin card gets here Monday
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2022/01/11 16:54:20
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Thank you for this post, this is the clearest guide to overclocking a stock card I've seen yet. My kingpin card gets here Monday
Congratulations, welcome to the club
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Maxenko, I would not use the dip switches and the classified tool together, asking for trouble imho
What is your base stock run? mine is 14180 on z390 with 3.0 rider cable. @420W
Pull off the side panel for runs and maybe get a box fan to blow in the side and always blow the card down to close as you can to ambient room temp.
If you are not blowing extra cooled air (winter or AC) I would not even play with the classified tool, It can boost power a degrade score greatly if the temps go above 45C. Look at everyone in the top 100 and you will see temps are way lower than any stock ambient run. I've pulled 590w and got a 13780 to show for it.
Watts used does not produce any value in figuring out how to increase your score! repeat this to yourself as many times as necessary
Switch to LN2 (power off) boot up, first run try max sliders in afterburner or PX1+145 c and +1110 mem , this should get you in the 15k club easily .
On a cold card you might overshoot and crash the first try like when the ship goes to overhead, sometimes the boost on the clock anything over +150c can get my card going over 2250mhz , like an engine that overrevs...
Anyway , I hope this helps, the classified vid by Luumi is not much help unless you are ready to add extra cooling, imho Good Luck!
Thank you. Yeah this got the highest score so far. So LN2, NVVDD switches ON. Reboot, no Classified.exe House fan pointed at open case (at kingpin radiator mostly). Starting temp 28c. +145 +1300 in AB Result 14818 With +145 +1110 its 14790 I think if I am a bit more creative with airflow it might hit 15k. Either way close enough.
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elbramso
to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now.
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^
Short answer....it's your OS. if you cant do 14100 to 14500 on stock no over clock...your OS has been hosed by Microsoft.
Agreed, even a 3080 ti can hit those numbers near stock.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/12 08:42:51
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Can't wait, mine's suppose to show up today but I believe UPS is a liar but this is a great thread, lots of good info in here.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores!
2022/01/12 12:25:43
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I am really excited about the KP card, but still nervous. I am going to try and compare to my FTW3 and see if I can beat it. My record on my FTW3 is 15.2k on Port Royal.
I don't have any good numbers on the stock performance of my FTW3, but I am hoping that my KP won't be a dud.
Are there any checks, or benches I should run that may give me a good indicator on how it will do when water cooled?
My FTW3 is installed in my system now, and I am hesitant about pulling it complete out if my KP doesn't perform.
I have an extra riser cable, so I am going to hook up the KP and do some tests before I commit to pulling the FTW3 out. So tedious draining the loop. :-P (first world problems)
Thanks,
Jason
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