Jsunn
@maxenko, have you done a Port Royal stress test? What is your average sustained clock over the run?

If you can, can you you make a run with only the temp and power sliders in px1? Want to get an idea of your average sustained clock.

The reason I ask is that my KP is on the way and I am worried that it won't be any better than my FTW3 UG.

That card stock with air cooling, with only the sliders, will have an average core clock of 1947.

Underwater, with the Optimus block, +120 core +200 me I can get a 14.9k in PR with an avg clock of 2110.

Best of luck to you!

Ok so +0 +0 LN2 All 4 NVVDD switches ON. Fans on 100% and ambient temp 30 (nothing I can do about ambient, window is open).
 
Port Royale: 13524
 
There is more. What I mentioned above as coil whine coming from my PSU after installing Kingpin, is actually pump noise coming from Kingpin water pump. I have confirmed this by placing a small magnet over the area of the card other owners have placed it and it completely stops the noise. The noise is always on regardless of the load. Reason I bring this up is that it may be the reason my temperatures are a bit higher than what everyone else is reporting - its a malfunctioning pump. I've already contacted support with a video of it. I hope there is a way to fix this without RMA. I've already shaken and tilted the card every which way... its not going away.
 
I wouldn't stress your potential performance... especially if you are going with waterblock, I am sure I could push mine past 15k with properly working water pump.
 
Edit:
I realize you wanted a stress test. Here is the result - same settings:
I can get more detail if needed.
 

maxenko

Jsunn
@maxenko, have you done a Port Royal stress test? What is your average sustained clock over the run?

If you can, can you you make a run with only the temp and power sliders in px1? Want to get an idea of your average sustained clock.

The reason I ask is that my KP is on the way and I am worried that it won't be any better than my FTW3 UG.

That card stock with air cooling, with only the sliders, will have an average core clock of 1947.

Underwater, with the Optimus block, +120 core +200 me I can get a 14.9k in PR with an avg clock of 2110.

Best of luck to you!

Ok so +0 +0 LN2 All 4 NVVDD switches ON. Fans on 100% and ambient temp 30 (nothing I can do about ambient, window is open).
 
Port Royale: 13524
 
There is more. What I mentioned above as coil whine coming from my PSU after installing Kingpin, is actually pump noise coming from Kingpin water pump. I have confirmed this by placing a small magnet over the area of the card other owners have placed it and it completely stops the noise. The noise is always on regardless of the load. Reason I bring this up is that it may be the reason my temperatures are a bit higher than what everyone else is reporting - its a malfunctioning pump. I've already contacted support with a video of it. I hope there is a way to fix this without RMA. I've already shaken and tilted the card every which way... its not going away.
 
I wouldn't stress your potential performance... especially if you are going with waterblock, I am sure I could push mine past 15k with properly working water pump.
 
Edit:
I realize you wanted a stress test. Here is the result - same settings:
I can get more detail if needed.
 

Thanks for the reply. 
It looks like you are getting some good sustained clocks stock and that is nice to see. With my FTW3 I saw how sensitive the performance was with temps, so that you can maintain above 1950 core clock on the stock cooler is a good sign of the efficiency of the chip. 
This is really kind of a perfect storm for me to pick up a KP card. I can at least break even on the KP purchase by selling my FTW3, and I just want to make sure that I am not downgrading my performance. 
I don't plan on using the 1000W BIOS and will stick with the switch in the LN2 position at the most. 
My clocks on the FTW3 for daily driving/gaming is +120 core +200 mem, this gives me a stable 2020 core. My high PR score of 15.2K was with an unstable clock of +200core +200mem when I had cold window air blowing on my PC.   
My Optimus block is on order, I am trying to get a sense of the performance I could see once I put everything under water. 
Thank you again and please keep us updated on how you continue to improve your scores and zero in your overclock!
-J

bavor

Jsunn
Are there any checks, or benches I should run that may give me a good indicator on how it will do when water cooled? 

 
Not really.  You can compare the GPU clocks witht he stock hybrid cooler to what your water cooled FTW3 gets with water cooling. 
 
What you have to remember is that the kingpin has the advantage of software voltage control through the classified tool.  Then the 3090 FTW3 hits its voltage limit and won't clock any higher, the KP 3090 can keep going if you use the classified tool.  In addition to that ther eis a 1000 watt ReBar BIOS for the 3090 Kingpin that removes the power limit.  Even with the hybrid cooler a 3090 KP can draw 550-600 watts during Port Royal.  With chilled water you can see 600-700 watts power draw on a water cooled KP 3090.  The FTW3 has a hard limit of 500 watts with the XOC BIOS.
 

Thanks, I know with the FTW3 I checked the power loading on the PCIE and the 8pin connectors to see if my cards had the load balancing issues, and unfortunately,  the first card I received did. EVGA made things right very quickly and without an fuss.  
Are there any gotchas on the KP card? Anything I can "quickly" check to let me know if I am going to have issues down the road? 
Thanks again for all of you help! I'm really looking forward to getting my card!
-J

So many people here keeping their load lines so high... Not worried about nuking the VRMs?

Fair enough, well, in that case idk if throwing your entire PC out the window constitutes "exotic cooling" but here's my PR with the stock cooler, no re-paste or anything. Temp outside was ~5 C based on my intake temp probe. 



 
Edit: lol nvm, cant post links due to low posts and cant embed an image either. imgur.com/a/Tlm9HfM you can punch it into your browser if interested... 

talon951

DemonHunter117
Fair enough, well, in that case idk if throwing your entire PC out the window constitutes "exotic cooling" but here's my PR with the stock cooler, no re-paste or anything. Temp outside was ~5 C based on my intake temp probe. 



 
Edit: lol nvm, cant post links due to low posts and cant embed an image either. imgur.com/a/Tlm9HfM you can punch it into your browser if interested... 

You're not alone. Not a KP, but note my average temp. Lol.

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1405132

If I tried that, my temps would go up.

Water temp was about 3 to 5C on that run if I remember correctly. It's a Zotac 3090 in a Heatkiller V block. KP 1kw bios. So it says EVGA at least. Lol

Finally got a notify on the KP 3090 after waiting since March. Decided to pass at this late stage though.

I don't get any cold days 2 quick runs last night , more just crashes 
 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71275001 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71670125
 

jedixjarf

johnksss

elbramso
to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
 
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
 
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^

Short answer....it's your OS. if you cant do 14100 to 14500 on stock no over clock...your OS has been hosed by Microsoft.

Agreed, even a 3080 ti can hit those numbers near stock.

So I'm back after weeks I feel the need to get some things straight.
After all it was the Card that was just a bad performer... I had to RMA the card due to firmware boot loop and I received a new card months ago (posted this in this thread already, I guess). 
Anyways with new card was able to hit 15300pts in PR with the Hybrid cooler and 520w BIOS! No changes to the OS or other parts of my RIG.... 
 
Some KPE cards just s*ck!
 
But as this is a show off thread, here is my PB:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1404875
 

johnksss

elbramso
to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
 
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
 
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^

Short answer....it's your OS. if you cant do 14100 to 14500 on stock no over clock...your OS has been hosed by Microsoft.

 
John, when you say the OS is hosing the card, are you saying higher overclock offsets can be achieved in W11 vs W10? Or are you saying that the PR score is higher with the same offsets in W11 v W10?  If its the latter, ehhhhhh
 
Edit: My KPE card definitely doesn’t break 14k with stock offsets and stock voltage/dip switches but then again my ambient is 27-28C even in winter.  Ambient to peak coolant is only +7C with a silent fan profile.
 
I have a lot of temperature headroom if I got the 1000w bios and upped voltage.. but +0 offset and no voltage changes at 27C room temp?  No way.  13,7k hah.  Am I doing it wrong??
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/71856909

redteamgo

elbramso
 
So I'm back after weeks I feel the need to get some things straight.
After all it was the Card that was just a bad performer... I had to RMA the card due to firmware boot loop and I received a new card months ago (posted this in this thread already, I guess). 
Anyways with new card was able to hit 15300pts in PR with the Hybrid cooler and 520w BIOS! No changes to the OS or other parts of my RIG.... 
 
Some KPE cards just s*ck!
 
But as this is a show off thread, here is my PB:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1404875
 

Wow great score holy cow, 16,5k!!
 
Your new card is the cream of the crop

I'm pretty sure I could hit 16,7k but I need to go 2c cooler. Unfortunately Winter is over and so is the benchmark season ;-)
I'll give it one more try this weekend but I doubt I can beat my PB

Hello All, 
 
Does anyone have a place to start with the Classified tool? 
I am just starting to look at what my card can do, but I am looking at a would be a good starting place with the values listed in the tool.
I'd like to avoid melting my card. :-p
I can get into the low 15,000s with a +110 core, +1200 mem, want to see if I can squeeze a little more power out of it. 
 
Thank you!
-J

Well I was almost able to score 16,7k last night. I had a hard time to cool down my loop enough in between the runs. But anyways I'm super happy with the result :
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1442140

_Gir_
Can someone remind me the nvidia control panel override setting for a couple hundred extra points?  BAR or DLSS maybe?  

you can check you rebar status in PX1 to see if it is enabled
DLSS is not used any 3dMark tests

Hit the button circled in blue, then scroll down to the "unknown" category and change the drop down of the three highlighted entries (BA, BB, and FF) to the only other profile you can (0x0000000040000000 for FF). Hit apply.
https://imgur.com/a/YfV0rXc