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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/08 23:37:28 (permalink)
I got my 11th place back on the 3DMark Port Royal Hall of Fame
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1119823
https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/port+royal+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0
 
Its difficult because I have one 3090 that doesn't overclock well with the GPU, but the memory overclocks well.  The other 3090 has really awful memory that starts crashing and artifacting with a +900 MHz memory overlock with ambient cooling, but the GPU overclocks much higher than the card with good memory overclocks. I'm envious of all these people who I see getting +1400 MHz to +1600 MHz memory overclocks on Kingpin 3090s with ambient cooling.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/09 04:50:09 (permalink)
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I got my 11th place back on the 3DMark Port Royal Hall of Fame
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1119823
https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/port+royal+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0
 
Its difficult because I have one 3090 that doesn't overclock well with the GPU, but the memory overclocks well.  The other 3090 has really awful memory that starts crashing and artifacting with a +900 MHz memory overlock with ambient cooling, but the GPU overclocks much higher than the card with good memory overclocks. I'm envious of all these people who I see getting +1400 MHz to +1600 MHz memory overclocks on Kingpin 3090s with ambient cooling.


Great score ! Top 6 scores our LN2 !
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/09 10:15:11 (permalink)
I'm still using my hacked together cheap cooling method of submerging a 280mm radiator in a cooler with water and ice.  I'm thinking about trying dry ice or a glycol chiller next.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/09 10:22:44 (permalink)
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I'm still using my hacked together cheap cooling method of submerging a 280mm radiator in a cooler with water and ice.  I'm thinking about trying dry ice or a glycol chiller next.


Running  2 pumps with one regular water loop for cpu and other 280 mm rad in  water and ice for gpu's ?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/10 06:43:27 (permalink)
 105 F yesterday did this run at 74 f early am.  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1122618
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/10 16:36:40 (permalink)
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I'm still using my hacked together cheap cooling method of submerging a 280mm radiator in a cooler with water and ice.  I'm thinking about trying dry ice or a glycol chiller next.


I'am copy cat for now! used 360mm in cooler with ice. Its 102 f here.  http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1124179 
 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 00:00:24 (permalink)
to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 04:03:54 (permalink)
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to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^


Your Kingpin is running 6c higher temp over your ftw3. If ambient temp is the same for both ? could be thermal pads not in right place. 6c will make a big difference. HC waterblock  in a loop will make cooling better. I put all new thermal pads on mine and KPX paste, with 2 chunks of pads covering back plate with cut out for dip switches when I put HC block on. Also that cards memory overclocks great, but without cooling it will down clock the card. I would think if you slowed the memory down the heat would go down and your score will go up. The best OC is not alway make the best scores. I run XOC 1000 w rebar  vbios from Kingpin with classified tool. My  core clocks went up from 1200 + to 1500 + with new vbios .  You have to find the sweet spot for every card , they our all different. To get my card above 16000 in PR I slowed Dram timing down on motherboard from 4000 to 3200 and drop volts from 1.45 to 1.35 and drop the overclock on cpu from 5100 to 4800 and it ran faster PR scores.  
 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 04:30:56 (permalink)
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to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^


Your Kingpin is running 6c higher temp over your ftw3. If ambient temp is the same for both ? could be thermal pads not in right place. 6c will make a big difference. HC waterblock  in a loop will make cooling better. I put all new thermal pads on mine and KPX paste, with 2 chunks of pads covering back plate with cut out for dip switches when I put HC block on. Also that cards memory overclocks great, but without cooling it will down clock the card. I would think if you slowed the memory down the heat would go down and your score will go up. The best OC is not alway make the best scores. I run XOC 1000 w rebar  vbios from Kingpin with classified tool. My  core clocks went up from 1200 + to 1500 + with new vbios .  You have to find the sweet spot for every card , they our all different. To get my card above 16000 in PR I slowed Dram timing down on motherboard from 4000 to 3200 and drop volts from 1.45 to 1.35 and drop the overclock on cpu from 5100 to 4800 and it ran faster PR scores.  




That is an awesome answer, thanks mate.
The difference in temperature is easy to explain - my ftw3 is on my custom loop with active backplate cooling. I lowered the pump + rad fans to minimum, to simulate the bad thermals of the KPE ;-) In summer I have an ambient temp of ~ 25 degree celsius.
Might be interesting to see what my clocks look like when I set my mem to +0. And also I did not test the pre-installed LN2 bios.
 
I really feel the frustration of some KPE owner when they compare their cards to others - I mean, if my card struggles to hit 2130@1100v but others are able to safely drive with 2205@1.068v. I know golden sample exists but this gap is just a sign of bad binned chips
 
 
post edited by elbramso - 2021/07/12 04:32:18

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 05:29:14 (permalink)
What is the 1000 watt bios with rebar version numbers in GPU-Z ?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 07:42:50 (permalink)
It's not in gpuz.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 07:46:23 (permalink)
You got a good card with great memory .Temp come down and the core clock will go up.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 07:59:24 (permalink)
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It's not in gpuz.


Yes, the bios version should show the numbers xx.xx.xx.xx
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 09:48:56 (permalink)
Yes it shows in gpuz for Your pc. Gpuz does not have the file on line to down load.1000w vbios they have is not the rebar vbios.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 09:59:53 (permalink)
Yes could you screenshot or type in the bios VERSION name for me, anyone? Thanks I’m not talking about downloading
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 10:23:40 (permalink)
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to get you all back to earth, there are people (me) who received cards like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
Ofc that is without 1000w bios and classified tool. Just straight +90core and +1700mem.
Just adding + to core with X1 or AB doenst help the card. I did not tweak a custom curve by now. 
I'll hopefully get a HC kit soon, so I can test this card in my loop but for now the performance is kinda meh...
 
BTW. when I compare the result with my ftw3 I can see that the KPE had higher average core and mem but still has a 450 pts lower score:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
 
So, is my KPE just straight up bad or is it missing the 1000w bios + classified tool to hit clocks higher than 2130mhz??
 
Currently I'm loving everything about this card but it's performance^^


Your Kingpin is running 6c higher temp over your ftw3. If ambient temp is the same for both ? could be thermal pads not in right place. 6c will make a big difference. HC waterblock  in a loop will make cooling better. I put all new thermal pads on mine and KPX paste, with 2 chunks of pads covering back plate with cut out for dip switches when I put HC block on. Also that cards memory overclocks great, but without cooling it will down clock the card. I would think if you slowed the memory down the heat would go down and your score will go up. The best OC is not alway make the best scores. I run XOC 1000 w rebar  vbios from Kingpin with classified tool. My  core clocks went up from 1200 + to 1500 + with new vbios .  You have to find the sweet spot for every card , they our all different. To get my card above 16000 in PR I slowed Dram timing down on motherboard from 4000 to 3200 and drop volts from 1.45 to 1.35 and drop the overclock on cpu from 5100 to 4800 and it ran faster PR scores.  




The XOC rebar BIOS you're using that lets you OC your memory an extra +300. Do you see any artifacts running that high? The thing is my card I can bench +1300/+1350 but the moment I use +1400 it black screen and restart. I've never seen artifacts on my card. I think the moment it detects instability it restarts. This card can game at +1250 fine.
 
I have another KPE but Hydro copper version which doesn't have this symptom. It can bench +1600 and it occasionally shows artifacts. In the gaming side, anything above +1100 will show artifacts. (+1300, +1400, +1500 show artifacts in gaming, +1650 and beyond it's when it black screens and restarts). 
 
My theory is the new XOC rebar removes any restriction and lets you OC higher on the memory even though it could add artifacts. The card with this symptom is from 2nd batch of Kinpings (December 2020) and the KPE HC is from last month. 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 10:35:26 (permalink)
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I'm still using my hacked together cheap cooling method of submerging a 280mm radiator in a cooler with water and ice.  I'm thinking about trying dry ice or a glycol chiller next.


Running  2 pumps with one regular water loop for cpu and other 280 mm rad in  water and ice for gpu's ?



Yes, that's it.  Buildzoid featured it in his weekly HWBOT score roundup video yesterday.
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 10:58:50 (permalink)
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Yes could you screenshot or type in the bios VERSION name for me, anyone? Thanks I’m not talking about downloading



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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 11:16:38 (permalink)
Above + 1550 card will shut down or artifact then shut down. +1515 is about the sweet spot. Go above that the scores go down. When winter comes and I open garage door at  -10 f it will go up.
 
 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 11:22:37 (permalink)
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I'm still using my hacked together cheap cooling method of submerging a 280mm radiator in a cooler with water and ice.  I'm thinking about trying dry ice or a glycol chiller next.


Running  2 pumps with one regular water loop for cpu and other 280 mm rad in  water and ice for gpu's ?



Yes, that's it.  Buildzoid featured it in his weekly HWBOT score roundup video yesterday.


Thanks for your help bavor . You push my card over 16000 !
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 21:50:41 (permalink)
Does this mean I’m #1 in the world lolol. No ram tuning or overclock processor for me, just 1000 or so pages of amd white papers on bios settings and hacking them into bios screens to be able to change. Anyways:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1126137

I could get better if I could just push zen timings. To be continued
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/12 22:18:48 (permalink)
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Does this mean I’m #1 in the world lolol. No ram tuning or overclock processor for me, just 1000 or so pages of amd white papers on bios settings and hacking them into bios screens to be able to change. Anyways:
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1126137

I could get better if I could just push zen timings. To be continued

Show us what you got. The result is hidden ;)

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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/13 05:15:20 (permalink)
Weird it is 15223 I’ll figure out later how to unhide
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/13 06:43:27 (permalink)
Nice scores, but any 3090 Kingpin SLI score?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/13 12:23:45 (permalink)
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Weird it is 15223 I’ll figure out later how to unhide



A 15,223 score is very far from #1 in the world for single card score.  The top single card score is 19447.
https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/port+royal+3dmark+score+performance+preset/version+1.0/1+gp
 
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/13 13:25:14 (permalink)
*sarcasm, but I am the only idiot with my model of Epyc processor :p
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/13 13:55:14 (permalink)
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Ok, I’m done for tonight 15,943.

http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1115717



What settings did you use to get that score?
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/14 05:05:30 (permalink)
The entire port royal measurement is kind of dumb. The scores need to be bucketed in terms of real world computer usage vs test bench. If your score is the result of submerging your computer in ice and your dog on the treadmill powering a special AC unit that pumps liquid nitrogen into your brain etc , it really just isn’t relevant for high end computer score reference
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/14 12:57:33 (permalink)
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The entire port royal measurement is kind of dumb. The scores need to be bucketed in terms of real world computer usage vs test bench. If your score is the result of submerging your computer in ice and your dog on the treadmill powering a special AC unit that pumps liquid nitrogen into your brain etc , it really just isn’t relevant for high end computer score reference



Obviously someone never heard of competitive benchmarking.  
 
Maybe its just that you are trying to get to 100 posts by spamming the forum to gain elite status. lol
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Re: Okay lets hear it Highest Port Royal 3090 Kingpin Scores! 2021/07/14 13:19:25 (permalink)
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The entire port royal measurement is kind of dumb. The scores need to be bucketed in terms of real world computer usage vs test bench. If your score is the result of submerging your computer in ice and your dog on the treadmill powering a special AC unit that pumps liquid nitrogen into your brain etc , it really just isn’t relevant for high end computer score reference



Obviously someone never heard of competitive benchmarking.  
 
Maybe its just that you are trying to get to 100 posts by spamming the forum to gain elite status. lol
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