ShawnB420
What promises did they break and what consequences do you think they will face?

 
When Optimus originally opened preorders, they gave buyers the impression that the block design was finalized, when in reality its obvious that it wasn't because they have delayed the shipping date several times due to changes in the block design according to their responses on twitter.  SO they lied about the completion of the block design.  They probably didn't even have a prototype block built whent hey opened preorders.
 
The consequences they face is not only cancelled orders, but how it hurts their reputation.  Word gets around how bad they are with preorders and missing delivery dates.  That behavior started long before the pandemic and has only been getting worse.  There are other computer hardware message boards, facebook groups, and discord servers where people who have never even purchased an Optimus product make the joke/sarcastic comment about how you will be lucky to see their products within a year of ordering it when the company's products are brought up.  That's how much their reputation has been tarnished.  Other people have said they would never buy Optimus products no matter how good they are because of their inability to ship things on time and misleading customers about in stock status.
 

ShawnB420
Do you say the same thing about Heatkiller who took over a year to release a FTW3 block with multiple delays?

 
Heatkiller didn't take preorders and tell customers that the design is finalized and the blocks will ship in 5 to 6 weeks.
 

ShawnB420
Do you say the sane about Noctua and the black line of the A12’s taking how ever long that took?

 
Noctua didn't take preorders and tell customers that the design is finalized and the fans will ship in 5 to 6 weeks.
 

ShawnB420
A deadline is not a promise

 
Telling customers that the design is finalized and the items will ship in 5-6 weeks, then delaying the shipment multiple times due to design revisions sounds like they are lying(or being severely misleading) to me.
 

ShawnB420
Did you forget there’s a pandemic on and parts and shipping is scarce?

 
The difference with Optimus is Optimus had this behavior longebfore the pandemic.  Have you asked the 2080 ti FTW3 block pre order customers what their experience was like?  Have you asked their Threadripper CPU block customers what their preorder experience was like?  Have you asked their customs who ordered in stock and ready to ship items off of Optimus' web site before the pandemic then have to wait 3 months for shipment notification while Optimus ignore their emails what their experience was like?
 

ShawnB420
There is only ONE reason to hate on Optimus and it’s their lack of any CS of any kind. They deserve all the hate in the world for that.

I disagree, but its OK to have differences of opinion.  Optimus had several years before the pandemic to fix their issue of constantly missing deadlines, listing product in stock and ready to ship when they aren't, and misleading customers about the design completion and ship dates of preorder items.  

Clovis,
After I found my pressure leak I traced to the cold plate I do like the block.  The only thing I didn't care about was how the terminal mounts to the rear block.  The mounting screws for the rear block to the terminal are offset so the pressure it provides between the two could be a point of weakness in the long run.  I'm not an engineer, but how terminal connects is just a concern for me.  I think it will be fine, but it's not like a "male to female" joint supported by orings to ensure the seal.  It's just two flat surfaces with one side having an area cut out so the oring fits in it while slightly protruding from the flat surface. 
 
To me, I'd would have preferred a male to female joint supported by the oring on the rear of the block and secure the terminal to that first and then start to apply tension to the blocks to bring them together to the front since the front block have the screws centered along the terminals for that side.  It's hard for me to explain it, but if you look at the pictures of the block and see it in person it might be easier to understand.  I don't think it's a bad design, just one that could have been a bit better though I'm not sure how much it would have increased cost of manufacture.  
 
The other thing is that the new cerakote process is matte in texture and color.  So silver I choose wasn't as nice as the black and I'm not sure how the white is going to stay clean with the texture of the finish.  It has a really light texture to it, so I'd have to say either go black or white.  I'm going to be doing my son's pc with the FTW3 block in the white cerakote when time permits. I got the block in, but all my tools and stuff I need to prep and bend tubes are in storage right now due to renovations as my house.  I had to dig for the basic tools and things I needed to work on the changing over from the Hybrid to the block, but I really don't have a clean area to work in large enough to work on my pc and bending the tubes right now.  I'm hoping to get this in mid to late January but because my son got covid the contractors couldn't come to our house while he was in isolation so we are now another 2 weeks behind schedule.  
 
Overall, the block looks to be good but it is very heavy.  I actually ordered some gpu support posts from amazon I plan on using to support the block in my vertical mount setup. I do think that vertical mounts are the way to go for this as I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable mounting this directly to my mobo.  The block is really that heavy and I don't see any way anyone should mount this block horizontal without multiple support options.  For those who want the gpu horizontal, if your mobo and setups allow for the use of the Lian Li anti sag bracket I would run that to support the weight closest to the mobo and then a post to help support the weight of the front furthest from the PCI slot.  
 
As soon as I'm able to get my gpu into my system I will share how it goes.  I ordered new faster Gen 4 NVME drives and new faster RAM so we'll see how everything goes together once I'm able to work on my system.  

before the kingpin blocks i never had any issues ordering and receiving, returning, or exchanging optimus store items via email. longest they ever took to reply to email was 18 hours and that was when i requested to cancel my kingpin block orders. agreed they were using the preorder cash to fund the r&d, which is unacceptable but not that surprising for a company of that size. i think their blocks looks nice but i'm not interested in waiting an extended period for a water block going forward. i'll be ready to replace the entire gpu before i've seen the money's worth of value for a block that costs that much vs something i can buy the same week i get the gpu
 
GL to all who will be trying to grab a Ti KPE

zippytek
before the kingpin blocks i never had any issues ordering and receiving, returning, or exchanging optimus store items via email. longest they ever took to reply to email was 18 hours and that was when i requested to cancel my kingpin block orders.

 
I've seen varying experiences with Optimus and their customers and communication.  Maybe its certain times of the year are worse than others?  Most of my previous orders were during spring and summer.  The other people I know who bought parts that were supposedly in stock and took forever for them to arrive with no communication from Optimus after multiple contact attempts were also during spring and summer.
 

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One thing I'm hopeful for is much better GPU temperatures not only to due to a better block design than the Hydro Copper, but also due to the active backplate cooling.  I bought the active backplate cooling for my 3090 Gaming X Trio(with 450W Suprim BIOS) and even in a smaller loop than it was in before, the GPU temps are 3-5C lower under sustained load.  Taking heat away from both sides of the block helps GPU temps.
 
EDIT: by smaller loop I mean fewer radiators

I'm sure we will see the VRM temps drop on the Kingpin once this is installed.  The combination of the entire rear pcb covered in thermal pads with direct contact to the rear plate, the size of the rear plate, and the path of the coolant running through the rear block would suggest that it should have a positive impact on temps.  On my aida 64 panel I have the VRM temps monitored so once I get mines in I will be able to run test and actively monitor the temps as the test progress.  
 
Optimus could have added some cooling fins like the cold plates in the areas directly over the VRMS to aide in transferring heat to the coolant, but I'm no engineer so I'm not sure how much of an impact it would have made while adding cost to the block.  
 
I am itching to get this into my system though to be honest.  

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ShawnB420
Did you forget there’s a pandemic on and parts and shipping is scarce?

 
The difference with Optimus is Optimus had this behavior longebfore the pandemic.  Have you asked the 2080 ti FTW3 block pre order customers what their experience was like? 
 
They never took a pre-order on the 2080 TI FTW3’s but nice try.

Can’t ask people their experience on something that never happened

ShawnB420
They never took a pre-order on the 2080 TI FTW3’s but nice try.
Can’t ask people their experience on something that never happened

 
You are correct.  I misread something on another forum and twitter
 
My question should have been, "Have you asked the 2080 ti Founders Edition block pre order customers what their experience was like?"
 
Their blocks didn't ship until several months after the RTX 3000 series was launched and available for purchase.

Has anyone seen a copper cold plate ship out yet? I just got my 3080ti ftw3 hydrocopper queue spot for a pc I already finished. Can’t decide if it’s worth continuing to wait at order #527x or if I spend the extra $900 and either sell my kingpin or try xoc myself. The sad part is I have an above average kingpin, it would probably do well with the optimus block

I waited 2 days after launch and it put me back 142 places, probably wont ever see it, but I do have the HC kit in the closet 

I'm hoping that they will get faster getting these out.  I think they have the design locked down and their manufacturing/assembly processes to be more effective with experience from the initial batches so now it is to catch up with all the orders and get them out of there.  The FTW3 block was similar from my experience so the initial purchases were quite delayed and then I got in right after they caught up.  It took them about 7 weeks to get my block to me which was reasonable knowing how long it takes them to get stuff made.  If your order is 5270 then you are not really in too bad a spot imo.  I was 5211 and I ordered the day before the release.  There was a glitch in their website that someone else found and linked here the night before it was supposed to go live.  I followed that link the on the 28th and got my order in.  The other thing to keep in mind is that the order numbers while issued in sequence of purchases also include other products people ordered as well such as pumps/res combos, fittings, and other blocks.  So there will be a few of those numbers between your number and what mines was that were occupied by products other than blocks for the KP.  
 
It would be nice if people who ordered the block posted here their order numbers, when they got their shipping notice, and the block make up(Colors and cold plate choices) so that other can get an idea of the movement.  This is why I shared my info to others and to ask that others do the same for those still waiting in line.  We do the same thing with the queues here and it helped keep my frustrations in check as I got closer to the front of the line.  The reason for the color and cold plate choices is to see if there are any patterns that we can track.  Early on, it seemed like only blacks were being sent out.  My order was one of the first I believe but those who ordered black blocks after me got their shipping notifications before I did.  
 
While I have yet to install my KP with the Optimus block on it, I have no doubt that it will perform very well in keeping temperatures closer to ambient in my build.  To me, if you are keeping your KP, then this block is your only real option to try and keep the VRM temps lower.  The HC block has nothing on the rear plate to help you with that.  If the HC kit even included a larger/thicker rear plate with thermal pads like the foundation block from optimus for the FTW3 then it would be so much better.  Maybe if someone was to come out with a rear plate it would make the HC block more effective thus giving users another option to consider.  

Gotspeed_2000
Maybe if someone was to come out with a rear plate it would make the HC block more effective thus giving users another option to consider.  

Someone on the forums had a new rear plate machined(or did it themself) and attached a universal cooling block to it.  I saw it posted here in another thread a few months ago.

Do they ship to Europe? Does anyone know here?

zippytek

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Gotspeed_2000
Maybe if someone was to come out with a rear plate it would make the HC block more effective thus giving users another option to consider.  

Someone on the forums had a new rear plate machined(or did it themself) and attached a universal cooling block to it.  I saw it posted here in another thread a few months ago.

you talking about the mp5works active backplates? have a couple in the closet but never bothered to plumb them in as i heard they didn't help much at high oc

i sold an mp5works active backplate (from my sparetimepc stash) and the guy that bought it was very happy with its performance on a 3090 backplate.  he said 15C drop.  

parallel.  It had the tiniest tubes (cause parallel i suppose) and I didn't think much of it. but the mounting system was pretty slick and looked like a low effort part to plum in tbh.   If you want zippy I can get you in touch with him.  He is a Marine stationed in Okinawa.  I told him I was surprised a crayon eater could build such a rig.  
 
 
just reread his message in ebay.  he said "Worked great, brought my temps down roughly 20°c!"
 
I should have used it on my kingpin.  damn. 
 
 

yea the mp5 works videos have them installing the backplate with the GPU already in the system.  it just kind of bungie clips on and your done.