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Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD

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2018/06/13 17:52:15 (permalink)
I just bought an HP laptop, and it came with a generic 5700 RPM 2TB HDD.  I want to install a 500GB SSD.  I tried cloning the drive but when I put it in, the laptop wouldn't boot.  I know the data is there, I can see it on my standard win7 desktop.
 
I read I am supposed to click sector by sector write, but since the drives are different size, that doesn't work.
 
How do I make this cloned drive bootable.  Explain it like I am 5 since I have never done this.  I have both drives in external enclosures to make the transfer of info easier.  Much thanks for the help!  
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 17:57:28 (permalink)
    How much data is on the drive already?
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 17:57:30 (permalink)
    what boot setting you using in the bios? i found that uefi can be quite picky. 

                                   
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:10:36 (permalink)
    Sector by sector only occurs when the original drive has errors. Sector by sector will take the source drive and attempt to clone to the same size on the target. I don't recommend it, and it wouldn't work because your drives aren't the same size (as you noticed).

    I'd scan the drive for errors using Windows' tools. If that still won't fix it so you could clone to a different target size, I'd perform a clean install and transfer the data over. Make sure to use Teracopy (it's free) to avoid copying and halting on files with errors.
    post edited by NazcaC2 - 2018/06/13 18:13:18
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:12:56 (permalink)
    Hoggle
    How much data is on the drive already?

    32.59GB 
     
    quadlatte
    what boot setting you using in the bios? i found that uefi can be quite picky. 


    no idea.  Clarify?  
     
    NazcaC2
    Sector by sector only occurs when the original drive has errors. Sector by sector will take the source drive and attempt to clone to the same size on the target. I don't recommend it, and it wouldn't work because your drives aren't the same size.

    I'd scan the drive for errors using Windows' tools. If that still won't fix it so you could clone to a different target size, I'd perform a clean install and transfer the data over. Make sure to use Teracopy (it's free) to avoid copying and halting on files with errors.

    I dont have a boot disk or anything.  This laptop haz zero software it, so my only option (that I am aware of) is to clone the disk.
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:13:42 (permalink)
    resize the mechanical boot drive partition to the same size as the SSD (make a backup first)
     
    You will need to do this FIRST: How to: Create a Recovery Drive for reinstalling Windows 10
     
     new size of C:\ 500 Gig then your D:\ would be the remainder of the HD, I'd bet there is a hidden restore partition on your drive
     
    Did you install the SSD and then clone the drives - make the stock drive external if need be
     
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:16:30 (permalink)
    You don't have access to another computer to download and make the ISO?

    What brand SSD? If it's a Samsung, you can download and install the Data Migration Tool and attempt to clone the drive live.

    Edit: As Cool said, yes, you can resize the drive and that'll work too. And, just keep the remainder of the HDD unallocated.

    Cool, both drives are in external enclosures.
    post edited by NazcaC2 - 2018/06/13 18:20:45
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:22:01 (permalink)
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    I just bought an HP laptop, and it came with a generic 5700 RPM 2TB HDD.  I want to install a 500GB SSD.  I tried cloning the drive but when I put it in, the laptop wouldn't boot.  I know the data is there, I can see it on my standard win7 desktop.
     
    I read I am supposed to click sector by sector write, but since the drives are different size, that doesn't work.
     
    How do I make this cloned drive bootable.  Explain it like I am 5 since I have never done this.  I have both drives in external enclosures to make the transfer of info easier.  Much thanks for the help!  


    Check the disk settings in the bios of the laptop: is it set as a IDE or ACH? FAT32 or NTFS? keep in mind most SDD is set by default as ACH not IDE.
     
    let me know how it works. From my personal experience, i just clone when hardware are the same specs with different brand or same. It seems to be more effective.
     
    P.S.:  Resizing the drive might help
    post edited by atfrico - 2018/06/13 18:23:38

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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:28:06 (permalink)
    Atfrico: That won't change unless the BIOS was reset. Changing it without using the OS and going into Safe Mode (Windows 10), and it won't boot anyways. It's a separate issue.

    ACH should be AHCI but I know what you meant. There's also RAID and RST.
    post edited by NazcaC2 - 2018/06/13 18:29:30
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:42:45 (permalink)
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    Atfrico: That won't change unless the BIOS was reset. Changing it without using the OS and going into Safe Mode (Windows 10), and it won't boot anyways. It's a separate issue.

    ACH should be AHCI but I know what you meant. There's also RAID and RST.

    The BIOS should be reset specially when putting a SDD from a Generic 2TB HDD. Most laptops are configured differently, probably the 2TB was set as RAID partition or differently. and thank you for correcting me, I meant AHCI.  
     
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    I would suggest to start as a fresh install. you will have less headaches.

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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 18:56:35 (permalink)
    No offense, but it shouldn't be changed from drive to drive. It depends on the OS and what mode it was in during the Windows install. AHCI, RST and RAID are preferred over IDE. If the OS was installed using IDE, changing it to AHCI (no matter the interface and style of drive, it won't boot). You'll get an infinite boot loop. Though afterwards, you can boot to Safe Mode (Windows 10), during the reboot - go to the BIOS change it to AHCI, save and exit and go to Safe Mode, reboot and the settings will stick. Rebooting and going to do a regular start up will boot into Windows without issues. I've done this countless times in the computer business I work for.
    post edited by NazcaC2 - 2018/06/13 18:59:52
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 19:04:47 (permalink)
    Have you tried MiniTool Partition Wizard? Follow this, but use the copy disk option instead of migrate os. I've used it several times to clone a HDD to a SSD for laptops.
     
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 20:19:52 (permalink)
    I got it to work.  That dialogue that pops up when you plug in a drive that says "repair" and what not.. well I ran that.
     
    Next I installed the software itself on the laptop HDD, and then attached the SSD to that machine and cloned it that way.  Same software I was using on my desktop.  It went faster on the laptop (USB 3.0 > 1.0) and perhaps the repair of the main drive helped.  Either way problem solved.  MUCH better performance then that 5200 RPM SATA drive.  Yea I lost a crap-ton of space but whatever.  I will convert that 2TB HDD into an external drive.  
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 20:44:14 (permalink)
    Great to hear that the repair worked and you were able to clone.
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/13 23:17:22 (permalink)
     
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/18 01:08:09 (permalink)
    Going from HDD to SSD is definitely one of the best quality of life improvements one can make for their laptop. Glad you got it figured out. Yes, it is usually a smoother process when you initiate the clone from within the source OS.
     
    For future reference if you clone a drive from outside the source OS, often times the boot sector needs to be fixed on the new drive. You can do this by running two commands from the hidden command prompt that you can access by making a bootable USB or disc using the Windows 10 installation ISO (with the new drive already installed into the system of course). You would then boot into the Windows installation media and hit shift+f10 to open the hidden command prompt then run 'bootrec.exe /fixmbr' and 'bootrec.exe /fixboot' from the command prompt. This will usually do the trick. So as you can see, it's much easier to just clone a drive from within the source OS than have to do these repairs.
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    Re: Need help with HDD cloning. Going from Larger HDD to smaller SSD 2018/06/18 05:54:57 (permalink)
    Just an FYI next time get Acronis, shrink your partition and your golden.
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