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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:13:17 (permalink)
I am still concerned about the launch now.
We have had the issue with the 3rd fan on the initial batch of XC 3080's that went out the door.
Now we have this capacitor specification issue that "doesn't affect the XC series" because they aren't supposed to be able to overclock to the point that the caps become an issue?  This will be another firmware fix.
 
Seems like everyone should let the cards cool off and let the manufacturers and earliest adopters get these bugs and any other ones that may pop up resolved.
I was sick to my stomach canceling my FTW3 from NewEgg.  I would be sicker though to have a card that may or may not justify it's $810 price compared to a competitor or the FE edition.
 
I still have my EVGA 970 and a EVGA 980Ti...  Guess I will see how things go over the next 2 months.
 
How is EVGA even going to handle a Step-Up program for the 3070 series cards when people will have paid up to and over $600 for 2070 Supers?  The 3070 FE is going to be $499.  That is cheaper than even the 2070 super KO went for.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:15:20 (permalink)
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I don't understand how 1 good square in the Ultra is good enough.  The other's with 1 at regular boost speeds are crashing.  And the FTW's have 2 with the same boost.


Can you reference who's saying that who shows valid proof that is indeed crashing with 5+10 (1 MLCC)?  

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:15:41 (permalink)
EVGA is the only card I will buy, 1070, 1080ti, 2080ti, and soon 3080 FTW Ultra.

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:20:33 (permalink)
kyllin
How does the XC3 ultra run ok with only 1 of the good squares, but the FTW3 with the same boost needs 2??  Somebody smart please answer.


Let's not forget that the ftw cards have 3x 8 pin pcie supplementary power with a significantly higher power target giving it higher OC headroom.

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:24:14 (permalink)
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:25:52 (permalink)
Thanks for fixing the images on the product pages.
They were a bit confusing.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:26:01 (permalink)
kyllin
I don't understand how 1 good square in the Ultra is good enough.  The other's with 1 at regular boost speeds are crashing.  And the FTW's have 2 with the same boost.

There are 2 "core" rails for the 3000 series dies.  1 rail is for the GPU core itself (NVVDD) and a second is for the "uncore" (MSVDD).  The NVVDD is likely more sensitive to voltage transients.  It's similar to the difference between Vcore and VCCIO/VCCSA on your CPU.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:28:34 (permalink)
Hi Jacob, are you able to let us know what capacitance the individual MLCC decoupling caps are? For those like me who may want to push their XC3s to high clocks under extreme cooling And are happy to void their warranty by installing these ourselves. Thanks mate.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:32:10 (permalink)
And this is why I'll always stick with EVGA. Thanks for he clarification Jacob. Very much appreciated. 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:37:45 (permalink)
My last card was an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3.
 
Based on the latest findings, I will most likely get the ASUS equivalent of the 3080 FTW Ultra card.
 
ASUS is using the 60 MLCC (i.e. 6 "good squares") configuration.
 
While it's probably overkill and the MLCC won't last as long as the POSCAPs, chances are I will replace the 3080 card long before deterioration sets in. Plus, the ASUS price isn't that much more than the equivalent EVGA card.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:39:45 (permalink)
If Nvidia uses 4+2 on their card why haven't EVGA cards got the same throughout the range?
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:40:30 (permalink)
So according to a tweet I saw and further confirmed by the updated product images, the XC3 3090's have 20 MLCC caps unlike the 3080's that come with only 10. I haven't opened my XC3 Ultra 3090 yet to confirm but this is at least a good sign.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:43:35 (permalink)
Jacob, first off, thank you very much for the update.  this is the exact practice of why I do buy and will keep buying EVGA products.  you see a problem, even after production, you fix it.
 
that said, all those first run cards......... whats gonna happen to them?  do they get modified to get the updated parts load?  or do they go into the scrapper?  might I suggest a return of the DT model card and make it a little cheaper.  ;)

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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:45:07 (permalink)
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LOL.  Told you so.
 
Edit: so it sounds like they had to swap them out at the factory in Asia, not stateside.  But I was correct in that it is what caused the delay.


And do you think this is what caused the shortages or no?
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:45:57 (permalink)


    
 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:49:22 (permalink)
Been very impressed with EVGA's communication the past week. Everybody else has shutdown and Jacob has been great at communicating with everybody.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:51:18 (permalink)
If Nvidia are you using a 4+2 so should all the board manufacturers to use 5+1 is the basic minimum spec we buy these cards in the belief that we are getting more than basic spec. In some cases some board manufacturers are creating cards below minimum spec what is the point in paying the premium for these cards if the manufacturers penny pinch at every corner. The 3080 is my first upgrade with an EVGA card I'm hoping it is not a disappointment.
post edited by Digital Flight - 2020/09/25 19:56:39
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:53:48 (permalink)
I don't get how anyone could react poorly to this post.  They literally said only reviewers got the flawed versions.  It literally doesn't impact us normal consumers at all aside from the fact that they had to delay the ftw3 (rightly so) to correct the issue before taking any money for them.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 19:54:09 (permalink)
Jarmel
Been very impressed with EVGA's communication the past week. Everybody else has shutdown and Jacob has been great at communicating with everybody.
 
100% agreed.  Watching them navigate through this has made me determined to move more of my rig to EVGA products.
 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:10:03 (permalink)
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U guys knew about this issue weeks, if not months ago...and you are all coming out of the closet now...ONLY BECAUSE OF INDEPENDENT REPORTING. This is not how u build trust...

Sometimes in house testing simply doesn't catch things that are discovered when hundreds of users get their hands on a product and start using. He literally said they fixed it before the cards ever went out to customers. What else do you want?



For real. Hysterics all around with this 30 series launch, good lord.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:10:26 (permalink)
Thanks for the update! Now if I can just be lucky enough to actually purchase a 3080 FTW3 Ultra card...
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:11:40 (permalink)
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:13:14 (permalink)
Maxidrom2002
U guys knew about this issue weeks, if not months ago...and you are all coming out of the closet now...ONLY BECAUSE OF INDEPENDENT REPORTING. This is not how u build trust...



I would think they wouldn't need to tell us.  They fixed the problem before shipping the cards.  I bet other things didn't work either, shrouds with differing screw hole tolerances and heat sink designs that needed to adjustments before production.  The point is they tested the cards, found an issue and corrected the design prior to shipping a single product.  That happens all the time.  I would be concerned more about Zotac and Gigabyte who either didn't test it or did and still sent it out there not even meeting the Nvidia spec of 1 group of 10 MLCCs for the board.  However, it is my understanding the earlier NVIDA specs had didn't have the MLCCs at all (not sure if that is accurate though). 
 
As far as trust, EVGA should get your trust because the fixed it in production and did not deliver a faulty product.  Their design for power is nearly identical to the Founders Editions.  When independent review determined there were issues, they confirmed the review and said they had fixed the issue in testing... not hiding anything.  Has Zotac said anything, Gigabyte... that is where my trust it questionable.
 
My personal feeling is that NVIDIA is probably more to blame for their rushed launch and secrecy about the specs.  It doesn't feel and rumor indicates that the partners didn't get enough time to build out these designs.  This probably the root cause.  If you don't feel like you can trust the people that fixed the issue before selling it you are welcome to have an adventure with AMD in a few weeks.  They never have issues 
 
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:13:35 (permalink)
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Hi all,
 
Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series.
 
During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.
 
But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues.
 
Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch.
Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products!
 
Thanks
EVGA

 






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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:22:14 (permalink)
EVGA_JacobF
Hi all,
 
Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series.
 
During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.
 
But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues.
 
Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch.
Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products!
 
Thanks
EVGA

 

 





A big thank you for this information update!!  Two things, if I may: Please get Newegg (and anyone else) to update EVGA product photos because they still show 6-poscap designs on literally all EVGA 3080+3090 cards. 
 
Second thing, I have been unable to load evga.com since launch. It is HTTP 502 and has never loaded even once, not a single time from my desktop nor phone. I don't understand how others are able to access the product pages or other parts of the EVGA website, is there IP range blocking in effect because of the bots? I am not looking to buy right now but it means I have to get all my product information on EVGA cards elsewhere, nor can I access tools or support information for people. 


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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:25:13 (permalink)
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Maxidrom2002
U guys knew about this issue weeks, if not months ago...and you are all coming out of the closet now...ONLY BECAUSE OF INDEPENDENT REPORTING. This is not how u build trust...



I would think they wouldn't need to tell us.  They fixed the problem before shipping the cards.  I bet other things didn't work either, shrouds with differing screw hole tolerances and heat sink designs that needed to adjustments before production.  The point is they tested the cards, found an issue and corrected the design prior to shipping a single product.  That happens all the time.  I would be concerned more about Zotac and Gigabyte who either didn't test it or did and still sent it out there not even meeting the Nvidia spec of 1 group of 10 MLCCs for the board.  However, it is my understanding the earlier NVIDA specs had didn't have the MLCCs at all (not sure if that is accurate though). 
 
As far as trust, EVGA should get your trust because the fixed it in production and did not deliver a faulty product.  Their design for power is nearly identical to the Founders Editions.  When independent review determined there were issues, they confirmed the review and said they had fixed the issue in testing... not hiding anything.  Has Zotac said anything, Gigabyte... that is where my trust it questionable.
 

I agree that EVGA fixed the problem before shipping product to customers...so they had no obligation to say anything about it. Now that other manufacturer's boards with 6 cheaper caps are exhibiting problems, it makes sense for EVGA to point out that they found and fixed the issue before shipping to customers. Good job EVGA.


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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:25:37 (permalink)
Well, I guess this means you won't be able to OC over 2Ghz on a 20 MLCC setup would you need 60 MLCC set up to do that? Might be other limitations on a 60 MLCC setup.
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:25:49 (permalink)
Hmm, I was wondering why EVGA added the FTW3 Ultra to the Step Up program first. I figured is was to offload all the "Red Accent" models. Perhaps was I wrong it was actually to offload all the 6 POSCAP models? lol
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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:26:01 (permalink)
Annnnd this is why I buy EVGA.


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Re: Message about EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 POSCAPs 2020/09/25 20:27:01 (permalink)
Thank goodness, my FTW3 is arriving soon and I didn't want to have to worry about this.
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