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2024/06/21 06:39:45 (permalink)
https://youtu.be/3ZQyNvZy5do?feature=shared
New Gamers Nexus video in Kingpins lab. Vince says kingpins cards "might" be back!!!
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/21 07:25:07 (permalink)
    I don't get the buzz.  He's just a brand name.  I think of him like a department director who has a good camera presence and gets the credit for the department who actually does the work.
    EVGA Classified was nothing without Shamino (and I am sure many others) and EVGA Kingpin was nothing without TiN (and I am sure many others).  Kingpin is just a brand.  Who cares?  He's an overclocker, and not even the best overclocker.
     
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/21 07:58:11 (permalink)
    @ty_ger07, I think even the non-XOC people out there liked the cards he pushed designs on. Even though he wasn't the one doing the CAD-work, he was pushing the design direction entirely. He claims he did the cooler designs for those cards as well and had demands about power connector locations, board layout (from a shape/usage perspective, not traces), etc. and that has led to some cards that look and function better than their competition in many ways. With EVGA we saw some of those ideas trickle down into better design choices for the non-KP models. Obviously not all the design choices were there because the lower models cut costs quite a bit, but it can influence the company's design choices in a positive direction (if you agree with his design choices anyway). This is all beyond the actual XOC folks that actually get a benefit from the skus he's helped produce. Sure, I think of him more as a product manager than an engineer, but he definitely does some of his own work and testing...probably a lot more since TiN and Shamino left.

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/21 09:50:47 (permalink)
    My eyes are on pny now. 😁
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/22 02:11:19 (permalink)
    PNY could now lead the GPU overclocking market with Kingpin there. 

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/22 09:33:22 (permalink)
    AFAIK PNY was the OEM that actually manufactured EVGA GPUs in the past.
     
    the ADA PNY GPU Designs are well done, based on reference PCB.
     
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/23 12:11:16 (permalink)
    some interesting information was sprinkled into the mix of the video

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/23 16:12:48 (permalink)
    I am looking forward to the numbers to see what really happens when overclocking especially in games using RTX. Right now games don't really need 4090 level of raw performance for hardly any game so imagining what the 5090 numbers would be like seems in a lot of ways just trying to get the highest benchmark. The real interesting thing though would be what happens when all the latest technology is used and how that will increase performance.

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/23 16:58:00 (permalink)
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    I don't get the buzz.  He's just a brand name.  I think of him like a department director who has a good camera presence and gets the credit for the department who actually does the work.
    EVGA Classified was nothing without Shamino (and I am sure many others) and EVGA Kingpin was nothing without TiN (and I am sure many others).  Kingpin is just a brand.  Who cares?  He's an overclocker, and not even the best overclocker.
     
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/23 18:04:21 (permalink)
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    I don't get the buzz.  He's just a brand name.  I think of him like a department director who has a good camera presence and gets the credit for the department who actually does the work.
    EVGA Classified was nothing without Shamino (and I am sure many others) and EVGA Kingpin was nothing without TiN (and I am sure many others).  Kingpin is just a brand.  Who cares?  He's an overclocker, and not even the best overclocker.
     
    All hail the corpo! Corpo is back!


     


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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/24 13:46:52 (permalink)
    This has the potential to be good for consumers and enthusiasts if PNY is serious about this segment of the market. Kingpin can help with the front end, but PNY will need to step us their warranty/customer service if they want to actually replace EVGA in this area. Hopefully it's what they're interested in by loooking to bring Kingpin on.  Time will tell.
     
    Good video btw...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZQyNvZy5do&t=127s
     
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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 05:02:38 (permalink)
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    I don't get the buzz.  He's just a brand name.  I think of him like a department director who has a good camera presence and gets the credit for the department who actually does the work.
    EVGA Classified was nothing without Shamino (and I am sure many others) and EVGA Kingpin was nothing without TiN (and I am sure many others).  Kingpin is just a brand.  Who cares?  He's an overclocker, and not even the best overclocker.
     
    All hail the corpo! Corpo is back!


     


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    Well, like it or not, it's true.  He's a brand name held up by good engineers.  They will need more than him if they want to perpetuate the brand.

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 08:00:26 (permalink)
    Looking forward to a PNY Kingpin. 
     

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 08:01:11 (permalink)
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    Well, like it or not, it's true.  He's a brand name held up by good engineers.  They will need more than him if they want to perpetuate the brand.



    Vince agrees with you to some extent. In the video, he said he would need like two good engineers to work directly with him who do all the CAD design work (I'm guessing one EE, one ME). This setup is pretty common in big companies where there'll be a "Product Manager" or "Project Manager" who takes ownership of the product design, specifications, marketing goals, etc. and then drives the engineers to bring said product to reality. Yes, those engineers do the technical design, but a lot of engineers aren't good at product conceptualization. Some are, though (I like to think I'm one of those lol), but there's a hefty majority that just like to be given specifications/requirements and then they take the idea and turn it into a manufacturable design. A lot of big companies like that type of engineer because they don't ask a lot of questions or try to put their input to things, they just churn out designs as told. Smaller companies (or smaller teams within companies) tend to like the more creative engineers who will take it upon themselves to come up with more of the product concept because then they don't have to also have a product manager for every product/project.
     
    At the end of the day, yes, "K|ngp|n" is a brand and he's not a design engineer, but he is an extreme enthusiast who has proven that given the resources he can drive product development to produce a series of products that people like. If you don't like them, you don't have to buy them. I fully agree that a good looking card with good overclocking capabilities does not mean it's overall a good product and it needs more to prove that. PNY will also need to show that they can support such a product (because people tend to break them and EVGA had pretty good support for the XOC community) as that's not a market they've previously served. Galax has some great overclocking cards for example, but I have no interest in them because you can't get them easily and there's no support in the US. Some people in the US still go through the trouble to get them, and that's cool. It's just not for me.
     
    As a side question, can you point to any GPU company that gives credit to their design engineers? I have never seen that happen before. I have seen Vince grab the EVGA motherboard guys and put them on the camera when GN came over to give them credit for the awesome motherboard BIOS work they were doing (his words). So...while he doesn't always name them, I have actually seen him give credit to the engineers for what they do, unlike any other company out there.

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 11:11:47 (permalink)
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    Well, like it or not, it's true.  He's a brand name held up by good engineers.  They will need more than him if they want to perpetuate the brand.



    Vince agrees with you to some extent. In the video, he said he would need like two good engineers to work directly with him who do all the CAD design work (I'm guessing one EE, one ME). This setup is pretty common in big companies where there'll be a "Product Manager" or "Project Manager" who takes ownership of the product design, specifications, marketing goals, etc. and then drives the engineers to bring said product to reality. Yes, those engineers do the technical design, but a lot of engineers aren't good at product conceptualization. Some are, though (I like to think I'm one of those lol), but there's a hefty majority that just like to be given specifications/requirements and then they take the idea and turn it into a manufacturable design. A lot of big companies like that type of engineer because they don't ask a lot of questions or try to put their input to things, they just churn out designs as told. Smaller companies (or smaller teams within companies) tend to like the more creative engineers who will take it upon themselves to come up with more of the product concept because then they don't have to also have a product manager for every product/project.
     
    At the end of the day, yes, "K|ngp|n" is a brand and he's not a design engineer, but he is an extreme enthusiast who has proven that given the resources he can drive product development to produce a series of products that people like. If you don't like them, you don't have to buy them. I fully agree that a good looking card with good overclocking capabilities does not mean it's overall a good product and it needs more to prove that. PNY will also need to show that they can support such a product (because people tend to break them and EVGA had pretty good support for the XOC community) as that's not a market they've previously served. Galax has some great overclocking cards for example, but I have no interest in them because you can't get them easily and there's no support in the US. Some people in the US still go through the trouble to get them, and that's cool. It's just not for me.
     
    As a side question, can you point to any GPU company that gives credit to their design engineers? I have never seen that happen before. I have seen Vince grab the EVGA motherboard guys and put them on the camera when GN came over to give them credit for the awesome motherboard BIOS work they were doing (his words). So...while he doesn't always name them, I have actually seen him give credit to the engineers for what they do, unlike any other company out there.


    Nice 
     
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    Kingpin is the driver

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 13:44:18 (permalink)
    I had nothing but bad experiences with PNY support. I feel they are worse then Asus just for the fact that Asus fixes my stuff where PNY told me to shove a sock in it. I do have to consider that this was for a 9600GT and a 9600GSO.... so maybe times have changed for them.

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 14:09:24 (permalink)
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    I had nothing but bad experiences with PNY support. I feel they are worse then Asus just for the fact that Asus fixes my stuff where PNY told me to shove a sock in it. I do have to consider that this was for a 9600GT and a 9600GSO.... so maybe times have changed for them.




    Yeah, for years their primary business (in GPUs at least) has been for big commercial contracts like HP/Dell for Quadro style cards (but some GeForce cards too). So if they're going to make a big push into the general population (even just the OC-happy crowd), they're going to need to work on their support network and communication. 

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    Re: Kingpin is back with PNY?? 2024/06/26 17:37:32 (permalink)
    I have a pair of PNY GTX 690 cards I used to use in a 4-way SLI configuration on a 4K panel and no game was unplayable at least the ones I own..
     

      


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