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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 21:20:44
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Call me skeptic, I sure these new cards will come with decent improvements, eg. power efficiency, overclocking potential etc. but I believe something to be a bit strange about the launch of the 20xx series.
1) I think they will run hot hence the dual cooler design by Nvidia.
2) Super strange that not a single RAW FPS numbers exhibition of any sort.
3) Performance figures that are being touted are mostly "Ray Tracing" figures. Which TBH can't even be compared to 10xx series or anything else. We WANT BENCHMARKS!
4) With the simultaneous launch of the 2080 Ti with 2080 leads me to strongly believe these cards are place holders for the real improvement everyone has been waiting for, which we won't see until TSMC's 7nm possibly next year?
-Rape pricing is completely due to the lack of competition, I blame mostly AMD not Nvidia.
Theres a reason for that, as Tom Peterson went on to say in a post presentation interview, showing their own numbers would just get a pfft from the community, they want review sites to get the numbers out so they are trusted.
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It is suck ! my 1080Ti cards have 15 days left but on US step up list does not have my 2 1080Ti part# ( mine is EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GAMING, 11G-P4-5390-KR ) available only for 11G-P4-6393-KR only ??? :(:(:(
the blower parts are rarely ever step up capable.
It used to be but to be fair they should add it on step up, it is not I want the cheap ones but I really like the blower type and not even only me :(
Maybe if evga's blowers were ready to advertise the step up to that would be available.
yup maybe but when it is available my step up day gone lol
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 22:20:11
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so is the founders edition from nvidia blower version? I can't tell from the pic.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 22:54:56
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$1200+ USD for a video card is insane. I'm sorry but that is just a stupid price for a card. That would make the card $1600+ for me. I could buy a used car for that price. I could buy 2 used 1080Ti for that price and run them in SLI and probably perform better. This is what happens when there is no competition, and all of you are just lapping it up. NVIDIA just had the best 2 years of their life, and these prices are going to ensure they keep that up. I won't be buying one of these extortion priced cards. These prices are stupid and out of touch with reality, unless your goal is to brag on how much money you spent. I tell you how I really felt..but this is a family friendly board :)
Umm... not at all. See attached image. Even the 2070 will outperform a Titan Xp, let alone a 1080 Ti. $1,200 is not insane, that's the same price as the Titan X and Titan XP, which are the spot in the product lineup the 2080 Ti is filling. This is NOT the same as past Tis; don't think of it as just a little improved version of the base card. The 2080 Ti is the new enthusiast/prosumer top tier card, taking that place from the Titans now that the Titans are moved firmly into the professional lineup with the Quadros.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
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Hydro Copper when?
+1 we want Hydro version :)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 23:25:43
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so is the founders edition from nvidia blower version? I can't tell from the pic.
no, its 2 axial fans
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 23:30:19
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Hype ray tracing only to disappoint on actual numbers. No reason not to show how the 2080 Ti compares to the 1080 TI unless the performance jump doesn’t justify the price premium hike.
Basically something would have 100% better than nothing, and IF they did reveal some benchmarks that were fictitious/fabricated they would seriously put a hurt in their credibility and I doubt they would risk that because the truth would eventually be apparent. It seems as if it was in Jensen's interest to omit the truth then to tell a lie.
You're just being a pain now you know, you'd be sceptical and whine if they posted numbers, you whine and be sceptical because they are letting people you actually do trust post them.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/20 23:42:56
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Hype ray tracing only to disappoint on actual numbers. No reason not to show how the 2080 Ti compares to the 1080 TI unless the performance jump doesn’t justify the price premium hike.
Basically something would have 100% better than nothing, and IF they did reveal some benchmarks that were fictitious/fabricated they would seriously put a hurt in their credibility and I doubt they would risk that because the truth would eventually be apparent. It seems as if it was in Jensen's interest to omit the truth then to tell a lie.
You're just being a pain now you know, you'd be sceptical and whine if they posted numbers, you whine and be sceptical because they are letting people you actually do trust post them.
I understand your defensive stance, the fact of the matter is Nvidia is charging a boat load of money for pre-orders for an unproven untested product. At least let the consumer know exactly what they are paying for not some hype-train Ray tracing that you and I and everybody with a half a brain knows isn't going to be fully implemented for quite some time to come. We're still waiting on decent DX12 titles that are decently optimized.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 00:00:34
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:p its called self restraint.
Theres nothing extra coming with the preorder you won't get by waiting till reviews.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 00:36:00
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RayTracing = Buffalo trap.
Be careful. Wait for the first reviews and comparison with Pascal counterparts. Jump from Pascal to Turing won't be that big as it were Maxwell to Pascal, that's why Jensen yesterday bragged only about RT.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 00:42:07
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pascal to turing is bigger than maxwell to pascal, what are you talking about.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 00:55:40
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In which area? RT?
Maxwell to Pascal was bump in VRAM capacity by 50%-100%, it was a big leap in Die-shrink, clocks also had a large bump. Eg. GTX 1070 was cca 40-50% overall faster than GTX 980.
Will GTX 2070 be overall faster than GTX 1080 by 40-50% in non-RT environment? I don't think so. RayTracing is a feature like Tessellation was couple of years ago. Nice new technology which will give hard time to older GPUs.
So please, let's keep hype at minimum levels and try to be reasonable for a little time ;) I am waiting first reviews, certainly won't pull my credit card because Jensen told me it will be sooooo great ;)
BTW, I had GTX 970 and now GTX 1080 FTW. Set my sight on GTX 2070, but not believing anything until I see first independent reviews @ computerbase.de ;)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 01:16:35
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no, its 2 axial fans
thanks. Preordered founders edition 2 of em.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 01:22:06
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So, what's the problem? I am talking in performance jumps, not in design. Pascal was Maxwell on steroids, this is new thing, I am aware of that.
I said that I am waiting first real reviews and to keep hype at minimum. I do not believe in leaks. I remember that many leaks putting AMD Polaris based cards in 2-8% to GTX 1070, and when those hit the reviews, they were marginally slower than GTX 1060, nowhere near 1070.
Just want to see if 2070 will be faster 40-50% than 1080. If it will be, than my hat's off and out with the credit card ;)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 01:24:34
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are you literally not seeing the very minor gap between 2080 and Titan V......
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 01:33:29
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judging from infiltrator demo in 4k, a single 1080 ti runs at 30ish fps and a single 2080 Ti runs at 78 fps.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 02:03:58
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are you literally not seeing the very minor gap between 2080 and Titan V......
Are you literally not seeing the very text I wrote? Performance bump will be seen at first reviews and in-game testing within many games and resolution with same setup. Until than, it is subjected to interpretation of users over internet. You think it will be very big jump and believe in those leaks, I think it won't be. And in a month time, one of us will be right :D And let's say those leaks are like things are, how many people play their games @ 4K res? Myself on 1440P (2K) and statistically 90% Steam users play on 1080P still. So, more important is perfomance difference in more affordable resolutions (FHD/2K) than in 4K. Can we just agree that we disagree? Or you are in need to defend nVidia and convince me that bump in performance is greater than ever between 2 generations? I have my perspective, you have yours. So, I am waiting reviews to say my final judgement. Until than I am skeptical and I do not have a problem if someone believe in AoS 4K leaks ;) please, let the feeling about problems be mutual.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 02:08:34
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Well that's the thing, they only talked about Ray Tracing but what about basic GPU vs. GPU in comparison w/out Ray tracing. Think of RT as the icing on the cake and I'm sure its a game changer but are you really buying a big jump in performance or just the RT and those that are saying, the Ti is the new Titan are wrong. This is just your typical price jump but at a much higher point it seems all in the name of RT but they are trying to justify this jump in price because again, RT performance but everything else is still unknown. Funny how preorders are going for a month before any evidence is there other than a simple slideshow. I still think it's very possible of seeing a fully unlocked Turing GPU but regardless, lets keep the Titan out of this since its a prosumer GPU and not your average gaming GPU that these new GPUs are. Anyways, I took a look at the video stream again as I felt something wasn't right when I first watched it live earlier. Jen's voice changes from loud to low. His low point was announcing the Ti @ $999 but his excitement into the crowd was when holding the 2080 in his hand in the beginning and announcing the RTX family starting at $499. A pretty big change from the older announcements where they always threw the spotlight on the 'fastest GPU on the planet" with a price of ...etc, etc. They were very careful with this display. $999 was his lowest tone of voice.  Again, it used to be the other way around iirc not boost on the low end. Imagine the excitement of the GTX x60 ladies and gentlemen! Shows a demo video, plays music and shows over. Oh and one more thing, doesn't anyone remember some demo Garage I think it was with Ray tracing of a vehicle back several years ago. Yeah well I thought we had RT back than. Ok I'm done for now. lol
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards!
2018/08/21 02:17:37
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Nvidia got over-profit during mining fair, overstocked now with 10x series, and they think they can keep up their earnings? No way. 600$ is max for ti version .
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2018/08/21 02:36:36
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All gamers shouldn't buy nothing from nvidia for two months, and we'll see than normal prices
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2018/08/21 03:59:12
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any idea what the 2080 Ti Black version looks like? 11G-P4-2381-KR That's possibly the only one i wanna get. The clear shroud is ugly.
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Hopefully there will be a 2080TI/2080 Hybrid this time in a month or two also?
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2018/08/21 04:45:21
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I'd like about 12 of these please, thanks.
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2018/08/21 04:48:56
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I'd like about 12 of these please, thanks.
It might be a while before I can find enough cash.
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Well i'll probably have to sell my house to buy them as well... But at least i've got my priorities straight 
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pascal to turing is bigger than maxwell to pascal, what are you talking about.
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Been happy with my 980 but I have been sticking money away each paycheck. I suspect I will need to sitck a bit more away to swing this upgrade lol
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EVGA will open the Step-Up Queue on the NVIDIA Availability Date for the GeForce RTX 20 Series.
How does that work for people that can Step-Up now but can't on the Availability Date? I talked to someone at EVGA yesterday, and they told me I can step-up to a new card since I am within my 90 days and the new cards were announced within the time I still can...?
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