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Because its doing the same thing to RTX 3080 Ti's that make use of the AOZ5312UQI.
Poor soldering my ass.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/22 05:04:14
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EVGA: 'poor soldering'.
Also EVGA: 'New World fixed the problem in about a week'.
Which one is it, lol?
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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Because its doing the same thing to RTX 3080 Ti's that make use of the AOZ5312UQI.
Poor soldering my ass.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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thought I remember reading the original stories & it was all about runaway frame rates? IF there is an issue with any game - failing, when running a game without setting a frame cap Solution seems simple enough to me ... Set a Frame cap 
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/22 10:42:36
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thought I remember reading the original stories & it was all about runaway frame rates?
IF there is an issue with any game - failing, when running a game without setting a frame cap
Solution seems simple enough to me ... Set a Frame cap
Nah, I'd rather blame the GPU manufacturer. >.> <.<
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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thought I remember reading the original stories & it was all about runaway frame rates?
IF there is an issue with any game - failing, when running a game without setting a frame cap
Solution seems simple enough to me ... Set a Frame cap
1) If the GPU was designed to require a frame cap, it would come with a frame cap. 2) While I use a frame cap for environmental waste reasons and due to lack of perceived performance difference, not everyone does. 3) Only a specific version of a specific model from a specific manufacturer has recorded the majority of failures. Just saying. The subject of this thread was "poor soldering". Have a comment? EVGA said that poor soldering was the cause. As you seem to imply, that was not true.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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thought I remember reading the original stories & it was all about runaway frame rates?
IF there is an issue with any game - failing, when running a game without setting a frame cap
Solution seems simple enough to me ... Set a Frame cap
1) If the GPU was designed to require a frame cap, it would come with a frame cap.
2) While I use a frame cap for environmental waste reasons and due to lack of perceived performance difference, not everyone does.
3) Only a specific version of a specific model from a specific manufacturer has recorded the majority of failures. Just saying.
The subject of this thread was "poor soldering". Have a comment? EVGA said that poor soldering was the cause. As you seem to imply, that was not true.
Answers 1) ... Game bugs / poor coding -- it only happened in 2 games, Right? 2) ... OK 3) ... OK, I've not researched this .... AOZ5312UQI chip 4 (you post)--> "The subject of this thread was "poor soldering". Have a comment? EVGA said that poor soldering was the cause. As you seem to imply, that was not true." 4.A) WHAT subject? ... the title is "If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it." However, OP post mention 3080Ti in first post? 4. B) Imply ... really thats what you got out of that ---> You should have gotten that the Root Cause of excess frame rates Can be lessened by setting a Frame Rate ......... as previously proven with the first game that caused so much heartache ... did the publisher Not fix their game? If there is a "hardware weak point that is exploited by poor game coding" .... what can you & I do about it? .... wait to RMA --> OR set a Frame Cap 4. C) I'm not affiliated with the design or mfg of these GPUs ......... so any conclusions on said design or implementation would be a wild guess at best Have a great day
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/22 12:09:18
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It wasn't only 2 games. It was predominantly 3 games. Now we are talking about a supposed 4th game. And that is all really beside the point since the underlying cause exists regardless of which game or application you use, and "predominantly" is not exclusive. Where is my dead horse? In my opinion, the subject if the thread is the content of the first post, not the title. Next time, before you take the time to blame the user for some simple mistake you believe they are making -- which no reasonable person in a vacuum would have reason to believe to be necessary -- do some research first.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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It wasn't only 2 games. It was predominantly 3 games. Now we are talking about a supposed 4th game. And that is all really beside the point since the underlying cause exists regardless of which game or application you use, and "predominantly" is not exclusive.
Where is my dead horse?
In my opinion, the subject if the thread is the content of the first post, not the title.
Next time, before you take the time to blame the user for some simple mistake you believe they are making -- which no reasonable person in a vacuum would have reason to believe to be necessary -- do some research first.
 Now I'm blaming the user ---> offering a way to help stop your GPU from "possibly/ maybe" being harmed (frame rate) ---> Is not placing Blame on anyone& thanks ... possibly 4 games ... good to know it is so rampant grab your digital oscilloscopes, the games in question & GPU & please enlighten us all .... Document the exact Root cause of how this is actually occurring on some GPUs & not all GPUs .... - why does this ever stress the hardware to failure? - what is the design flaw? - was assembly outside of specifications? I have no idea why, I've seen the posts about failures, the articles published, but I've never seen any reports with any depth as to the fix needed. Was it: Rev of PCB? components? firmware? BIOS? Game bug/code fix? all of those? some of those? In the end it still does not matter all that much, unless your unlucky enough to get the short straw. Any hardware can fail & warranty is the solution at that point.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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I have written many paragraphs covering your questions. I am beating a dead horse. I do not have time to summarize it all once again. The information is out there, if you care to look. In extreme summary: the root cause is NVIDIA's lack of peak-based power management creating a condition where it is guaranteed that initial power spikes will exceed normal power limits, exacerbated by EVGA choosing to use the absolute bare minimum cheapest components approved by NVIDIA, in its highest-performing model range at the time, with a power limit pushed to the limit of what NVIDIA would accept. The result is what we got. A card with poor power management and poor power balancing, which frequently blew up whatever power bus which was the most loaded and least properly balanced. EVGA replaced the Rev 0.1 3090 for a later revision, for a reason; not because it needed to in order to fix bad soldering.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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OK, I found this today .... Diablo 4 is still Beta testing
Diablo 4 patch attempts to exorcise the game's demons
Diablo 4’s early access beta test has been overshadowed by technical issues, to which Blizzard has responded with an important hotfix. Other potential issues include “rubberbanding occurring while players are transitioning between zones” and “high RAM and GPU usage occurring on select hardware.”
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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OK, I found this today .... Diablo 4 is still Beta testing
Diablo 4 patch attempts to exorcise the game's demons
Diablo 4’s early access beta test has been overshadowed by technical issues, to which Blizzard has responded with an important hotfix.
Other potential issues include “rubberbanding occurring while players are transitioning between zones” and “high RAM and GPU usage occurring on select hardware.”
There is another beta test this weekend. Personally I had no troubles during the last beta test, but I am using an RTX 4090, so not the same type of GPU hardware.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/23 10:21:21
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The latest NVIDIA driver also is optimised for Diablo IV.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/23 11:58:42
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EVGA: 'poor soldering'.
Also EVGA: 'New World fixed the problem in about a week'.
Which one is it, lol?
Apparently it's Gigabyte cards this time around and also, it appears, the 3080 Ti. Further... "An analysis of dead EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 cards that failed while playing Amazon’s New World game indicate a rare soldering issue limited to a small batch of cards is responsible, a company spokesman told PCWorld. EVGA said it received about two dozen dead GeForce RTX 3090 cards believed to have failed from playing the New World beta. All of the cards were earlier production run cards manufactured in 2020. Under an X-ray analysis, they appear to have “poor workmanship” on soldering around the card’s MOSFET circuits that powered the impacted cards." Us old timers remember when Furmark would regularly 'brick' a GPU. As this apparently has nothing to do with EVGA this time around, a bit less animosity would be swell.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/23 20:23:01
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You are real funny and believe funny things. An EVGA representative also said on this forum that it was a New World developer problem which they fixed in about a week. So which statement from EVGA do you believe? Why did EVGA retire the Rev 0.1 3090 FTW3? Coincidence that Rev 0.1 cards were "early models" and that "bad soldering" only affected early models? Coincidence that EVGA retired the Rev 0.1 right away even though it was not necessary to retire them in order to fix the "bad soldering"? Coincidence that EVGA provided zero evidence and could not list any range of serial numbers or anything to support their claim? Coincidence that EVGA has made similar baseless claims in the past when it was easier to avoid the problem than do the honest thing and be transparent about the problem? Your statement about other brands and other models is irrelevant and misguided. No one said that one brand or model would fail exclusively. The topic of discussion was this model and the "bad soldering" claim which was so obviously nonsense from the start. Only thing I am hostile about is fans who are blinded by their loyalty, choose to be ignorant, and continue to preach to users about what they should have done different to keep a known-problematic product, which was purposely retired by EVGA, from failing. If EVGA hadn't retired the Rev 0.1 cards and provided an upgraded version with improved components, the failure rate would have continued to be massive.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
2023/03/24 12:30:13
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You didn't dispute a single fact I posted.
I didn't? I dispute the cause of Rev 0.1 3090 failures. It's not a matter of opinion. The reason that so many Rev 0.1 3090s failed is based on facts gathered. It wasn't solder and it is the reason EVGA came up with a revision so quickly. The rest of your post is irrelevant and requires no dispute. The reason why so many Rev 0.1 3090 FTW3s, specifically, failed is explained in post #10. The reason why so many other NVIDIA cards failed that same generation is also explained in post #10. The root cause is NVIDIA's design, and then EVGA really made a mess of it by pushing it so hard using the cheapest parts approved by NVIDIA. None of that has anything to do with solder. Some cards will always fail due to soldering or other defects, but the majority in this example didn't fail due to soldering. That is ridiculous to believe. Even EVGA doesn't believe that after what they have said in this forum.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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You didn't dispute a single fact I posted.
I didn't?
I dispute the cause of Rev 0.1 3090 failures.
It's not a matter of opinion. The reason that so many Rev 0.1 3090s failed is based on facts gathered. It wasn't solder and it is the reason EVGA came up with a revision so quickly.
The rest of your post is irrelevant and requires no dispute.
The reason why so many Rev 0.1 3090 FTW3s, specifically, failed is explained in post #10.
The reason why so many other NVIDIA cards failed that same generation is also explained in post #10.
The root cause is NVIDIA's design, and then EVGA really made a mess of it by pushing it so hard using the cheapest parts approved by NVIDIA.
None of that has anything to do with solder. Some cards will always fail due to soldering or other defects, but the majority in this example didn't fail due to soldering. That is ridiculous to believe. Even EVGA doesn't believe that after what they have said in this forum.
You didn't dispute anything I posted. You're again posting your opinions as if they are fact. As this is your wont, I'm not going to bother with communicating with you in the future. It's a waste of time, as always.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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You didn't dispute anything I posted.
I dispute the basic premise. If you dispute nothing, then why are you here calling me a mentally disabled raging keyboard warrior? It seems like you are involved in a heavy dispute. This is not opinion. What fact are you lacking? Ask what you need clarification on. The boosting behavior of the card is well known. The power transient behavior is well known. The power imbalance behavior is well known. The VRM design is well known. The NVIDIA power management behavior is well known. The fact that the overcurrent limit is effectively disabled by NVIDIA is well known. The manner of failure is well known. None of this is a mystery. This is all widely accepted information. Nothing is a matter of opinion. Nothing needs to be proven as it is already well established and agreed upon.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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Watch the personal attacks please. Thank You.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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It's important to remember that the only two games that are reported to have killed graphics cards are:
New World while it was in the open beta
Diablo 4 while it was in the closed beta
Both of these games had problems discovered in the beta testing phase.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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It's important to remember that the only two games that are reported to have killed graphics cards are:
New World while it was in the open beta
Diablo 4 while it was in the closed beta
Both of these games had problems discovered in the beta testing phase.
Not true. Also Halo MCC. Also World of Warships. It's not the game that kills the card. It's the type of load. It is a situation where high boost at high framerate and low power draw suddenly transitions to high load, which creates a power transient, which overloads the VRM and fries it.
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Hoggle
It's important to remember that the only two games that are reported to have killed graphics cards are:
New World while it was in the open beta
Diablo 4 while it was in the closed beta
Both of these games had problems discovered in the beta testing phase.
Not true.
Also Halo MCC. Also World of Warships.
It's not the game that kills the card. It's the type of load. It is a situation where high boost at high framerate and low power draw suddenly transitions to high load, which creates a power transient, which overloads the VRM and fries it.
just curious should i even try this game with my 3080TI? a bit nervous. So far from what I read it is only gigabyte 3080TI, so might be safe but really don't know. Not sure why just gigabyte
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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Hoggle
It's important to remember that the only two games that are reported to have killed graphics cards are:
New World while it was in the open beta
Diablo 4 while it was in the closed beta
Both of these games had problems discovered in the beta testing phase.
Not true.
Also Halo MCC. Also World of Warships.
It's not the game that kills the card. It's the type of load. It is a situation where high boost at high framerate and low power draw suddenly transitions to high load, which creates a power transient, which overloads the VRM and fries it.
just curious should i even try this game with my 3080TI? a bit nervous. So far from what I read it is only gigabyte 3080TI, so might be safe but really don't know. Not sure why just gigabyte
If you have any doubts then hold off playing the beta and wait for the final game release. I played the beta last week and this weekend. It's a great game.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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HeavyHemi
You didn't dispute anything I posted.
I dispute the basic premise.
If you dispute nothing, then why are you here calling me a mentally disabled raging keyboard warrior? It seems like you are involved in a heavy dispute.
This is not opinion. What fact are you lacking? Ask what you need clarification on.
The boosting behavior of the card is well known.
The power transient behavior is well known.
The power imbalance behavior is well known.
The VRM design is well known.
The NVIDIA power management behavior is well known.
The fact that the overcurrent limit is effectively disabled by NVIDIA is well known.
The manner of failure is well known.
None of this is a mystery. This is all widely accepted information. Nothing is a matter of opinion. Nothing needs to be proven as it is already well established and agreed upon.
Fascinating: "Nothing is a matter of opinion". Yes, YOU believe that, nobody else does. Fascinating: you assert EVERYTHING is YOU KNOW IS a fact and what YOU claim YOU know is a fact. Ridiculous since you've not provided a SHRED of fact other than your repeated opinions and musings and the little information gleaned from publicly released info. You're not an insider. Further, this thread isn't about your pet topic. Lastly I didn't say you were mentally ill, you did. The fact you're still RAGING about this topic, IS one fact.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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The things I said about transients and power balancing are known to you. You know the facts I know. The things about the VRM design and the fact that overcurrent protection was effectively disabled by NVIDIA is also known. If you are not aware of it, that is your problem. It is still a fact. The only difference here is that you refuse to put the pieces together. There are countless product reviews covering the behavior of the card. There are countless forum posts describing the troubling behavior. There are also a handful of real good videos covering the VRM design, oscope measurements, various other measurements, and exhaustive review of the datasheets. I have linked this in the past. I am not arguing with you. There is no reason for me to link anything again. You failed to look at the evidence before; why would you now? You are just being a contrarian waste of time. I am stating in annoyance that you are being willfully ignorant. I'm not arguing with you, since you made up your mind a long time ago. I am arguing what you are saying for the benefit of anyone else who reads this. Regarding coolgtx's statement, I was annoyed with the continued assertion that users are continuing to fail to do 'one simple trick' to fix a problem no one should need to do or be expected to think to do. This is the same sort of thing being said 3 years ago, it's just that the supposed remedial trick has changed over time. The annoying part isn't the person. The annoying part is the failure to acknowledge that the product was just plain bad from the start. All the different scapegoats and blame to avoid the conclusion about the product's shortcomings is just ridiculous.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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The things I said about transients and power balancing are known to you. You know the facts I know. The things about the VRM design and the fact that overcurrent protection was effectively disabled by NVIDIA is also known. If you are not aware of it, that is your problem. It is still a fact.
The only difference here is that you refuse to put the pieces together.
There are countless product reviews covering the behavior of the card. There are countless forum posts describing the troubling behavior. There are also a handful of real good videos covering the VRM design, oscope measurements, various other measurements, and exhaustive review of the datasheets. I have linked this in the past. I am not arguing with you. There is no reason for me to link anything again. You failed to look at the evidence before; why would you now? You are just being a contrarian waste of time. I am stating in annoyance that you are being willfully ignorant. I'm not arguing with you, since you made up your mind a long time ago. I am arguing what you are saying for the benefit of anyone else who reads this.
Regarding coolgtx's statement, I was annoyed with the continued assertion that users are continuing to fail to do 'one simple trick' to fix a problem no one should need to do or be expected to think to do. This is the same sort of thing being said 3 years ago, it's just that the supposed remedial trick has changed over time. The annoying part isn't the person. The annoying part is the failure to acknowledge that the product was just plain bad from the start. All the different scapegoats and blame to avoid the conclusion about the product's shortcomings is just ridiculous.
Yeah, that's it. I'm 'willfully ignorant'. Nah, I just know the basic different between a theory which is what you're presenting, and facts. And again, the obvious: you're pitching a tantrum in yet another thread that has nothing to do with EVGA writ large. Ho hum check your blood pressure.
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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See yourself out. I have nothing for you. Edit: Wait a minute! This is specifically an EVGA 3090 Rev 0.1 thread. That is the subject of this thread specifically. What are you talking about me throwing yet another off-topic EVGA tantrum? Maybe you woke up angry and stumbled into the wrong thread. Your refusal to review the facts is not my problem. Facts are facts regardless of your footing. Everything I said has been verified and everything I said makes perfect sense to explain the failure observations and why the product was redesigned. If you refuse to review the facts, why can't you at least see that you have no other clue what is going on and have no other theory? Your opinion is completely useless in this discussion other than to just be a thorn in people's side. If you have nothing to contribute and instead are here to hurl insults, what sort of existence is that?
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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The things I said about transients and power balancing are known to you. You know the facts I know. The things about the VRM design and the fact that overcurrent protection was effectively disabled by NVIDIA is also known. If you are not aware of it, that is your problem. It is still a fact. pikashowtplink login
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Re: If your Rev 0.1 3090 hasn't died yet, Diablo 4 might just kill it.
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I will politely ask that everyone respect each other's posts even if you don't agree with them. Keep this thread civil and professional.
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